READER COMMENTS ON
"Red Meat City: Palin Wows 'Em in St. Paul"
(38 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2008 @ 8:53 pm PT...
palin would have scored a "Hat Trick" if she had tanned pelosi hide too . . .
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2008 @ 9:23 pm PT...
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2008 @ 9:23 pm PT...
Great talk. If ONLY she weren't a right-wing fundy dipstick! She does nicely balance McShame's involvement with organized crime.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2008 @ 9:34 pm PT...
She vaporized Obama. Vaporized him.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2008 @ 9:38 pm PT...
That was a masterful barrage of poisoned barbs delivered with feminine grace. Very scary.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2008 @ 11:37 pm PT...
Talking about comic relief, Romney Romney and the GOP just as lost as the democrats LOL pitiful
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2008 @ 11:53 pm PT...
So 99, guess your going to vote for McCain & Palin now that Obama has been "vaporized" by Palin.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 12:07 am PT...
Yeah, I'll vote for them about the same time I jump off the Golden Gate Bridge.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 12:21 am PT...
Clean Coal. Bwahahahaha!
Pass the paper towels, I spewed coffee when I heard that!
Told Congress "No" on the "Bridge To Nowhere." Bwahahahaha! Although potentially true, it's deceptively false, a pattern we've all seen with the current administration.
I rate her:
An excellent speaker, who is quite adept at bending the truth when communication is uni-directional. She had good presence and clear speech. The wrap-up lacked energy. (It left me asking, "are you done?") Bringing McCain out at the end was a well timed buffer, and crowd excitement raiser.
Although, she's untested when confronted with facts by a truly journalistic media in a two way communication format. We'll have to see how that goes. I doubt they'll allow her to be unprotected long enough for such a dialog. Her daughter and family should be off limits. Who cares about all this baby nonsense, I don't. I hope they live a long, healthy, happy life.
Bottom line, I won't be voting for this ticket as although it is genuinely patriotic (the Democratic ticket also quite patriotic) it's non genuine with the truth, and I can't handle another administration that isn't even elected and is already telling lies. This isn't even close to the road we need to take to restore the US Constitution. And fix the rest of the problems. Health Care, Infrastructure, Energy.
I hear nothing In EITHER PARTY about locking up the corruption in the banking, loan, mortgage, real-estate, wall street system, and putting the bill for the losses on them, not to the taxpayer. Fraud that they profit from but when it all blows up they want taxpayers to pay for it. There's even people buying this same garbage crap because they know the FDIC will have to bail them out. Lately we have market manipulation from sources outside the US.
No the economy isn't fixed because neither party want's to stop the fraud.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 12:33 am PT...
Go back and listen to Obama's speech, Phil. He was promising "clean" coal too.
The best part about Palin cleaning his clock tonight is it might get him off his ass and turn him into a real candidate... a real hope.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 12:38 am PT...
Since i checked thier facts and i conclude that
thier respective constituents are blind to the
'Culture of Corruption' each of them possessed.
(think karl rove talking points)I futher hope
they never attain higher office(election defeat)
and that thier constituents wake up and vote off both these Neo-Cons from political office.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 1:02 am PT...
Soooo,Agent 99 is a neo-con supporter,we get these R.N.C. operatives on our brad blog from
time to time.no big deal,as for the infamous lies
spewed from Sara Palin's mouth last night ? i was
not impressed with her speach.(read Michell Obama's speach,that is impressive)John McPain i
am convinced,has gone senile when he selected her
as a running mate,shot himself in the foot on this choice.The republicans will soon find out the hard way she will be a gift that keeps on giving to the Democrats.I forsee a Bob Dole type
self-destructive campaign with the same results,a
total election defeat.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 1:11 am PT...
Oh,and by the way have you noticed her speach never mentioned King George and/or the organized
crime family(bush administration)not once ? I checked and i double checked,i couldn't find them
in her speach anywhere !
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 1:27 am PT...
Pull yourself together, Bert. The fascists just got back a huge swath of the votes they were losing to Obama and if you don't know it you are in a dream world. Better buckle down instead of making bozo allegations about RNC operatives at Brad Blog.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 1:36 am PT...
LOL #12, 99 is certainly not a neocon or a McCain supporter. Stick around awhile...
However, in no way do I think Obama got his clock cleaned. I'd be interested to hear that evidence.
As Phil said, she's a good public speaker. Certainly not as inspirational or motivational as Obama. Her speech was written by a Bush writer, she delivered it well. But the content was zip, nil, nada. A lot of references to McCain's maverick status - which we know are bunk. Also, playing up the patriotism and the national defense, which based on McCain's veterans voting record and use of foreign agent lobbyists on his campaign staff, are also red herrings. And -blech- her 'I was just a hockey mom...'. Without any ill intent to hockey moms or any other sport moms - you are still a hockey mom. You don't have the foggiest about the presidency, the vice-presidency, the Constitution, or the history and purpose of this nation. You have consistently abused the little power you have had up until this point, which makes you fit to be on the Republican ticket but does not make you fit to be second in charge.
Nothing she said carried any weight for any discerning or educated person. Of course, the pitfall is that there are precious few of those . That's the only clock-cleaning I can fathom at this point - she could sucker the ignorant, the undecided, the fence-sitters, the Republicans who have soured on Bush and their party unless they are convinced that McCain/Palin represents something different, something a little less corrupt so they can go on voting against the interests of the nation with a less weighty conscience.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 3:04 am PT...
IF it's a REAL debate, and not a scripted, slanted showcase for Palin, Joe Biden will eat her alive. That speech was impressive, but what was impressive was NOT what she said, but the way that she said it. Shows she belongs in Hollywood, not Washington.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 5:00 am PT...
Remember, she is a "big energy" creation just like Ahnold was.
Seems to me she was at one of those meetings when she was trying not to have a kid there.
And she isn't done being vetted yet, or maybe the MSM is done vetting her?.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 6:12 am PT...
Well, the media has found a new "media darling." The 'swoony' coverage of Palin's speech has me nauseous! I noticed she threw in a few references to foreign countries when talking about oil dependency (Venezuela, etc.)and I suppose that is to pass for foreign policy cred. This woman is dangerous because she believes her own hype. I don't care about her babies or her babies having babies, I care about the direction this country is going in. If you hire a bus driver and he drive that bus into a ditch, you don't hire his twin to replace him! Obama and Biden have a fight ahead of them because the Repubs are famous for dirty tricks and smoke and mirrors. Palin is both!
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 7:34 am PT...
Okay, here's the thing:
Fine, Barack, children & families are off limits. What about goddamn Hypocrisy Incorporated?
Putting aside for the moment the very real possibility that this novice could very well end up as president---yep! that's putting country first, alright!---
I'm sorry, guys, but these people run on Family Values, God & Country, yet our God forbid possible next president left his wife for another woman while she was in her hospital bed with cancer, his VP has a 17-yr-old unmarried pregnant daughter and is mind-bogglingly inexperienced after they carped endlessly on Obama's supposed inexperience...did I miss anything?
Oh, right! This good Christian hero called his current wife a cunt in public. Sweet JEEZUS! That ALONE should sink his ass!!
If Obama does not use these things and repeat & repeat & repeat them--and he KNOWS how to do that with humor, force & delicacy with-OUT using the word 'cunt', for God's sake!--he is only giving their inevitable stealing of the election more credibility.
Seriously Brad, you have access to some of these (possibly tainted) people, senators etcetera...I don't. I'm a freaking nobody, yelling at the damn wall. Can't you pass this on to SOMEBODY???
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 7:46 am PT...
...although yes, I realize if I'm saying this then a thousand others are saying it, too. But to HIM? His advisors?
Hahaha, I don't understand it...why haven't they called me? I'm obviously so wise.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 8:21 am PT...
Yes, she's good at reading a bunch of sound bites written by someone else. Although I swear I heard her say at one point that they were going to drill more nuclear reactors. She must have said "build."
It's just that every time I hear her, I think of Frances McDormand in Fargo, ya.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 8:31 am PT...
Look, folks, she was only "impressive" in comparison to McCain and his green board speech about rehydrating instant babies with boiling water. The little bit of it I heard sounded somewhat fraudulent, especially the part about how Obama has never authored a major piece of legislation (what about the expanded GI bill for starters, which McCain opposed?)
I like Sara Benincasa's version of Palin much better than the real thing.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 9:07 am PT...
It is obvious why John McCain chosed Sarah Palin as his VP pick. Look at the clip where he is making the announcement and she is standing next to him. He is unabashedly staring at her breasts, which she always exposes by unbuttoning the top button on her overly-tight blouse. Am I the ONLY one who has picked up on this? Why is the media patently IGNORING this "reverse sexism"? It is unfortunate (but true) that many men are more than willing to vote with their penises, rather than their brains...something Palin has obviously capitalized on in the past, and continues to do so. Do we want a woman like this in the White House? Methinks not.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 10:57 am PT...
IF anyone has access to the Obama campaign, they MIGHT mention the fact (Well known to Arizona voters) that EVERY Arizona politician is OWNED by organized crime! (Just as the interesting fact that every Arkansas politician is owned by the Rockefellers!) The idea is, "Look where the MONEY is coming from!) Under Clinton, we turned the Country over to the Rockefellers, and that didn't turn out too badly, Len Horowitz to the contrary notwithstanding, although the rich DID get richer. But McCain has from the beginning been funded by the Lansky-Bronfman arm of the organized crime syndicate, which is an amalgamation of the Mafia and the Israeli crime families. Of course, under Bush, we have been controlled by an amalgamation of multi-billionaires whose sole loyalty is to their OWN incomes. Their only desire is "MORE!" and they are largely involved with Munitions of warfare. The evident alliance of McCain (who is the Senator from the Mob) and the multi-billionaires CANNOT be good for the Country. Of course, if we turn the Nation over to the mob, it will be run by representatives of Liquor, Gambling, and Prostitution. Maybe that's better than being ruled by gun-runners! (Of course, Obama is largely financed by George Soros, the International drug-legalization pusher - ) On balance, though, that might not be too bad - at least Soros is HONEST about what he wants! I still think that the WORST result in November could be allowing the Rethuglicans in the Rove camp to steal their third election in a row. That would solidify the control the wingnuts have over the Country.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 11:42 am PT...
i am amazed that anyone could fall for the trash coming out of palins mouth
this is a chic that took a town of 6-7 thousand peops,with a balanced budget and talked them into 22 million in debt and changed the way the town was financed from property taxes to a sales tax on everything, including food
she tried to fire the librarian because sarah wanted to censor books...unreal
her hubby seems to be the one really running alaska as he is refered to often but lets face it...how hard would it be to be popular if u had oil wells producing 140/barrel oil and u get to hand out checks instead of actually paying cash for improvements...obama has run a successful campaign that has more workers/volenteers than alaska has peops,,,and he doesnt have an oil well to finance it
put the pcs together....boone pickens started about a month ago with his..the future is natural gas speal...now mcsames vp pic is the chic trying to ram that natural gas pipeline down our throats,and even the commercials on the rnc convention r talking natural gas now
the powers that be r just trying to substitute one expensive fuel for another,a fuel they already have tied up...and here is the odd thing,in illinois south of about rockford the whole state is covered in natural gas wells,,its not rare and it sure doesnt have to be piped from alaska
there is a plan for clean coal...the exhausts r to be piped and stored underground but when a small town in illinois,matoon i think won the bid (ovr a texas town) the dept of energy renigged on the building of the experimental plant
but none of this is my point, the point is "they" r getting ready to steal this election,just like they stold the last 2,in todays voting news theres a story on palm beach that shows us how they will steal it
upper races votes r moved to lower race totals,the lower race may or may not have been the target
here is the quote from the daily voting news
He was initially concerned that the vote total in the judge's race had inexplicably dropped from about 90,700 to 87,800. Now, he said, the question is what happened to the 3,400 ballots.
the primaries were just practice folks and while florida has added paper ballots they have also made it nearly impossible to get a recount
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 11:55 am PT...
Jeez, Karen, what have you got against punctuation?
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 12:07 pm PT...
You should try to watch these speeches. Giuliani's is 27 minutes and Palin's is 37 minutes. If you can force yourself to listen, especially with Rudy first and Sarah next, you will hear what you know is going to resonate with a huge portion of America. It completely distracts from reality and sets you back into everything you grew up with... all that conditioning. It was really very well played and you ignore it at your peril.
The good part is that way fewer people watched it than watched Obama... but they absolutely demolished him in the eyes of people who can't take any more of this "politician" shit. Doesn't matter how transcendentally cynical it is! People can't handle the cognitive dissonance of getting it from both sides at once! They are going to PICK and they are going to pick the ones who talk plain, talk in accordance with their lifelong conditioning.
The Republican Party is 100% plutocrats running a murderous sitcom 24/7/365. The mention of "red meat" here is damn appropriate. I could barely endure watching the convention last night but I forced myself, and I forced myself to listen to these two speeches over again. The key to what motivates the legions of people to vote directly against their own --- not to say everyone else's --- best interests is in those speeches.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 12:39 pm PT...
I'll bet tonight will be the soft sell... unity, bipartisanship,
kompassionate Konservative krap "no attack since 911"
and a good dose of fear!
Last night the DNC got a consolidated course in "Nice Guys Finish Last"
A lesson they never seem get...
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 12:47 pm PT...
. . . and I'll bet y'all America were lookin ta see lil ole Levi ... Huh...
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 2:12 pm PT...
Has McCain actually been nominated yet? Is there any way the delegates could get carried away and nominate Palin for president, telling McCain he'd have to settle for VP? heh heh
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 4:04 pm PT...
Giuliani and Palin's speeches were clearly scripted to coordinate with one another, especially the community organizer barbs. It is quite good fictional screenwriting meant to appeal to voting demographics. Lots of visual references, camera zeroing on certain wholesome Americans folks as if on cue. Good pacing, simple dialogue so as not to confuse the listener and turn them off by sounding too intellectual.
That said, I think those "community organizer" barbs just may come back to haunt the Republicans. Talk about elitist. That was stunningly elitist and snobbish. Did it have a racial undertone? Look, I'm Canadian, living in the 53 American slave-state, with a pro-American leader eager to siphon off resources southwards to the top wealthiest 1% in the USA (something our two countries have in common), and am not familiar with all the good ole American euphemisms. So, is "community organizer" a euphemism for Black folks getting "uppity"? Can someone please translate American to Canadianese (if you happen to speak this British/American/French/Newfie hybrid language)?
Public speaking is sort of like wine. It leaves one impression when you just get a whiff of it, gives another when you're hearing it, then leaves an after taste. I'm not sure if I am just imagining things, but it seems to me that maybe the after taste of Sarah Palin's speech may be too acidic for most people's preferences.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 4:27 pm PT...
"Community Organizer" only means "bleeding heart taxation fiend liberal" to the demographic they were targeting, Adam. While Rudy's intro might have been a little bit too much for some of them, it created the atmosphere for her, and Sarah's affect, cadence, wording, tone was pitch perfect for that crowd. She managed to persuade them that this guy is just another mouth piece for those social services drains, and remind them that he's just a politician after all, and do it in such a way as to reassure them that they were perfectly safe to fall back asleep again.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 4:41 pm PT...
Here's the link for the Real Player version of today's Democracy Now! [2 hours] They're covering the police action and a bunch of other stuff pertinent to this discussion. Jeremy Scahill is on the convention floor, interviewing the people who went bonkers for Palin. It is very helpful for recognizing what she appeals to. A lot of them are really sweet people.
There are ways to bring these people out of their mental refuges. You just have to stop treating them like morons. Believe it or not, most of the pro-life voters are casting their votes selflessly. They are SO fixated on the righteousness of their cause, they vote themselves, and the rest of us, into the ground for what they consider the greater good. It's amazingly convincing to suggest to them that voting for the liberals who might help them in all the other ways, and just work to get them to abolish abortion, might actually be a more effective tactic. It's worked really well for me when talking with these people.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2008 @ 5:56 pm PT...
On her connection with "earmarks", Palin made trips to Washington to ask for more earmarks from mainly Representative Don Young and Senator Ted Stevens, both Republicans.
Palin directed Wasilla to employ Washington lobbyists to press for U.S. funds for the town. She was hoping to get more than $8 million in earmarks.
And remember that Bridge to Nowhere, Palin expressed support for it in October 2006.
''I do support the infrastructure projects that are on tap here in the state of Alaska that our congressional delegations worked hard for,'' Palin said.
It was reported later that month, when asked whether she would continue state financing for the Gravina bridge and another proposed bridge project, she said yes.
Earmarks are life's blood in Alaska, which routinely reaps more money per resident for such projects than many other states.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
Jeannie Dean (not in) FL-13
said on 9/4/2008 @ 10:10 pm PT...
Karen (#25) wrote:
"...this is how they're going to steal it...upper races votes r moved to lower race totals,the lower race may or may not have been the target"...
RIGHT! That makes perfect sense, Sister!
Even though I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the outrageous Broward/ Brodsky Brou-ha-ha-hooey over the weekend, and not upchuck my Fatburger to recall here that our beloved Florida election reform HERO, Ellen Brodsky, was ILLEGALLY (?) BARRED from observing the recount. (I think Bev has archived the article about this over at BBV/ Broward files).
They wouldn't even let her in the building for fear she might cause a "disturbance". When Ellen inquired what would be considered a "disturbance", the officer said: "Standing up." ???
I know. Florida. The Sunshine and Sodomy State.
I hardly think Ellen has a history of shakin' down the fuzz, or even "standing up" in a "crouching only ZONE", or whatever. So my question becomes: what is it they didn't want her to observe? And also, (my ever-present question when I'm dumbfounded by Florida's election practices),
"Can they DO that?!!"
We know from the Sarasota Alliance for Fair Elections paper ballot referendum vs. Kathy Dent battle--still ongoing, by the way--the the council for Dent and Browning actually said to the judge "Inevitably the (voting) machines are going to fail, and we don't want the public to know about it." I'm paraphrasing, but it was something close to that.
(Personal aside to "Question Authority": Yah. See,this is why Florida is a hellish-devil-mess-in a-pastel-dress.)
So, right0, my Karen. You are some sharp cookie! New Hamphsire: more votes than voters.
Broward: more voters cast than votes counted.
And YUP! No hand recounts of paper ballots at all in Florida (unless, like Silly Sarasota last week, and the scanners don't upload on election night so you have to count the ballots by hand the first time ANYWAY); and no (more) recounts for 'minor' candidates in New Hampshire...
For this and many other reasons, I'd love to SERIOUSLY encourage my fellow, uber-bright, super-soluble BRADBLOGGERS to support two critical Florida S.O.E. campaigns in any way they can. I've had the honor of witnessing these two remarkable ladies in the trenches, and O! They are tenacious and gracious. I adore them both, overly.
Think of what it could mean to have two super-star Florida S.O.E.'s heading up the vote count for the five largest swing counties in the whole state, working on the INSIDE for transparent, open elections.
ELLEN BRODSKY, running for BROWARD S.O.E.
and the always amazing SUSAN PYNCHON, running for VOLUSIA CO. S.O.E. ("Hacking Democracy")
And Brad could use some gas money.
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
said on 9/6/2008 @ 9:29 am PT...
Link on latest update is incorrect. Maybe NYT pulled the rug out from under us here. But the highlighted text you quote in the rectangle cannot be found by following the link:
It looks to me like NYT may have recycled their link, to point to fact-checking pertaining to McCain's acceptance speech? Just a guess.
For the love of truth,
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
said on 9/6/2008 @ 12:17 pm PT...
Thanks, John. I don't know what happened either, but I changed the link to a piece that does have the quoted text in it.
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
said on 9/8/2008 @ 6:49 am PT...
In case anyone has missed these videos, here is a link to 2 of them on HuffPo.
To anyone SANE which sadly leaves out about 35% of the American voting public this should be ALL you should ever need to know to run from this McSame/Crazy Palin ticket like the plague.
There are 2 embedded videos in the article.
The article is also enlightening.