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"Disastrous Sarah Palin Interviews on CBS"
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 11:44 am PT...
Is it posssible she is speaking in 'tongues'?
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 12:22 pm PT...
These interviews were surreal. I am honestly wondering if McCain is crazy like a fox or just plum crazy. The case could be made for the former: Palin provided the social conservatives with red meat, she drew support and money from women and generally recharged the campaign.
Maybe McCain just used Palin as the campaign equivalent of the Dallas Cowgirls: someone who could get the crowd excited during the lull and then cartwheel off the field just in time for the actual players to come in and take care of business.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 12:25 pm PT...
What my Gramps used to call a 'pail of rocks'
Now we could say a 'palin of rocks'
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 12:33 pm PT...
I have years experience with a neocon railroad executive, and they're the most conservative men on the planet. I don't remember seeing one African American male in upper management at the lavish parties and gatherings.
Re: women, he said, "Women just can't cut the mustard but the law says we have to hire them and put them in high places. Women are mere tokens in the corporate world."
Maybe Republicans chose Palin knowing they can control her when/if McCain's health fails, thinking her gender, looks and legs could compete with Hillary and get the women's vote.
Women aren't stupid.
Republicans have lost touch with reality. Their entire perception regarding the American People has been somehow clouded by an underlying religious perception or secret delusional Armageddon-bound army.
They'll probably give her Karl Rove and David Addington as personal assistants, and then have a welcome mat in Alaska to endure the earth's coming, final global battle.
Something like that, maybe?
If they joke Obama is "The One," then is Palin's daughter "Virgin Mary?" Is this why they're sensationalizing her daughter?
Come on! To Neocons, one winning race horse is worth more than 1000 American children born or unborn. They have a distorted outlook, twisted values, and priority problems to be playing the God card.
Besides that, Fascists from both parties have been covering up crimes for fifty years or more. When will they start telling the truth?
After they drop the nuke somewhere and call it "Amageddon?"
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 12:39 pm PT...
I wonder what makes people so sure that McCain put the lipstick on the V-P pick. I suspect someone higher up in the republicanos heirarchy called that shot.
There are still some out there who think Palin perfectly qualified for the vice-pregnancy - after all she's a mother at least four times over.
Just jokíng, Chris Brown in Hamburg
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 12:48 pm PT...
The bailout blowout is nearing.
Notice how McCain is keeping his mouth shut?...weasel
If this thing fails then the Dems and Obiwan are gonna take the heat.
Why the fuck are the Dems so gullible?
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
Melody in Florida
said on 9/28/2008 @ 1:26 pm PT...
WOW, that is the only word I can think of to describe this what I can only call, offensive, sham of an interview. I know that there are dems and there are reps but when two non-partisan well-known professionals in performing their regular duties still manage to show what an incompetent, clueless, excuse for a vp then it is a frightening cause for concern. Couric and Cafferty are not fresh faces that on occassion make mistakes or slips of the tongue, I commend them for their restraint and professionalism in having to report this as this is kids stuff, if they had been interviewing anyone else that behaved like this their reaction would not have been so restrained, they would have been sheep for the slaughter like every good journalist should in exposing the fakes. I think Palin's only 'stinking carcass' is the end of her 15 minutes of fame.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 1:32 pm PT...
What's the difference between the Panama Canal and Sarah Palin?
Well - - the Panama Canal is a busy ditch - - - - - -
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 1:36 pm PT...
I'll admit, I was nervous when I heard Palin's acceptance speech. She deserves an Emmy for her performance, but, like John McCain and most Republicans I hear opening their mouth, there is no substance.
Her interview with Katie Couric really scares me, though! Not because she is a, "72 year old's heartbeat away from being president...", but because there are a significant number of American voters who accept her and will vote for her to spite the Democrats. Not to mention those people who are just "Palin" ignorant and believe anything negative about Sarah or McCain is propaganda.
God Save Our Country! It's time to Wake Up America!
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 1:38 pm PT...
If Americans vote for the cynical, irresponsible McCain, it'll be proof that American snacks, with their excitotoxins, have brain-damaged the entire population to the point of idiocy.
However, if they get in, I'll laugh, rather than cry. I thought the interview was ROLL ON THE FLOOR funny. Palin speaks just like Bridget Jones of Bridget Jones's diary. She has missed her calling as a comedian.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 2:08 pm PT...
COMMENT #6 Floridiot wrote:
"Why the fuck are the Dems so gullible?"
The Dems are not gullible. They work for the same people the Repugs do (the corporations, Wall Street, the military industrial complex, lobbyists et al.) How much more evidence does one need to see to understand this? We've seen this since 2000.
The day that most people finally realize who and what the Dems really are---as opposed to what people want them to be and expect them to be---will be the day that people stop asking "why are the Dems so gullible?" or "Why are the Dems so spineless" or "Why are the Dems so weak?"
Because none of that is true about the Dems, if one comes out of one's Denial and finally sees the Dems for who and what they really are, and not what one wants them to be. Because the latter is not going to happen. Period. That should be abundantly clear to most thinking people at this point in time.
The Dems have had a spine of STEEL for helping, enabling and being equally complicit with the illegitimate Bush regime and the Repugs since 2000 to guarantee that the Repugs/Bush/Cheney/Rove et al accomplish most of their anti-US Constitution/despicable goals since 2000.
And the Dems have done a splendid job of helping Bush achieve most of his/Cheney's/Rove's goals since these Bush criminals stole the White House with the help of the Dems/Gore who refused to do all that they could have during the stolen 2000 "election." I mean, coward Al Gore didn't even have the courage to stand to contest the electoral college vote reading in January 2001! Sigh. And wet-noodle Bush-enabler John Kerry couldn't get to the microphone fast enough to concede to Bush during the stolen 2004 "election," even though Edwards had said every vote would be counted. Kerry wasn't interested in counting votes. He wasn't interested in the job in the first place.
On a side note, I talked with a Bush/Cheney Repug relative recently. We rarely discuss politics. She brought up politics and she said: "these two parties are becoming one." I responded: 'Uh huh.' But I was thinking: Oh, you just now noticed that, did you? Where the hell have you been since 2000? They became one in 2000 following the Judicial Coup. I told you at a lunch date a couple of years ago that the "traditional" Democratic Party is DEAD.
Some people are slow.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 2:30 pm PT...
Yeah Erma vote for your precious independant candidate and see where that gets you
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 2:44 pm PT...
Is Finestain on the chopping block this year? She's worried:
"Well here's my response to that," she said. "We can put that executive on his boat, take that boat out in the ocean and set it on fire if that's how he feels. That's what should happen, or his company doesn't come in."
Feinstein said the frantic push for the bill from Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson feels too much like the rush into Iraq, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
"There is a great deal of cynicism among those of us who have to live with having voted to go into Iraq based on misinformation and intelligence that later turned out not to be truthful," Feinstein said
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 3:11 pm PT...
I think DiFi doesn't come up again until 2012, but they all start spewing this stuff many times harder around election time just to keep in shape.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 3:14 pm PT...
Plus, haven't you noticed? They take turns wearing the black hat. They get to put the white hat on again shortly after they've done their black hat duty so they can lull us back to sleep. I think that's Reid's only real function: Keeping the Black Hat/White Hat Roster.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 3:32 pm PT...
COMMENT #12 Floridiot wrote:
"Yeah Erma vote for your precious independant candidate and see where that gets you."
With corrupt, fraudulent, easily-hackable electronic voting machines all over the nation, my vote (if there is an "election") will likely get me the same thing your vote gets you. I would think you would know that by now, considering the website you're on.
You're on one of the main websites that focuses on these damnable, easily-hackable electronic voting machines as well as fraudulent "elections." And the last 2 presidential "elections" were stolen. So why would 2008 (if there is an "election") be any different when the voting system is the same? Yet I sense from you that despite all that you STILL seem to think it would make a difference and that our votes will somehow be fairly and accurately counted regardless of which candidates we vote for. Ha!
But, go ahead and think that just as you STILL think that the Dems are "gullible."
Even if we had fair, honest and legitimate "elections," I would still be voting my conscience and for the candidates best for the nation/world:
Nader/Gonzalez 2008, if there is an "election."
I want absolutely nothing to do with this corrupt, criminal, anti-US Constitution, pro-USAPATRIOT Act, pro-torture, pro-spying, pro-war, pro-corporate, bankrupt Bush-enabling one-party "impeachment is off the table" system, charading as two parties.
And anyone STILL supporting this corporatist one-party system is serving as an enabler of all this shit as well.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 5:01 pm PT...
Ermas persona reminds me of one of those yappy little dogs that likes to chase it's tail for some reason
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 5:26 pm PT...
COMMENT #17 Floridiot wrote:
"Ermas persona reminds me of one of those yappy little dogs that likes to chase it's tail for some reason "
No personal attacks on my persona are necessary or relevant to the content.
I can always tell when the truth hurts people. They resort to attacking the person personally with some attempt at a put-down, rather than address the message that the person wrote (which I see you completely ignored altogether). That is so typical.
The truth does hurt, doesn't it? (Rhetorical question).
That's why so many people thrive on living in Denial to try to escape from the uncomfortableness of the truth. Denial is a very comfortable place for many people.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 5:54 pm PT...
The sad fact is Erma we all know your truth but the way you want to play the game will come to nothing.
There is only two ways of handling this:
One is by changing the Dem party from the ground up...nah too slow for you
Two is by violent revolution...Too old?.
Three, there is no three
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 6:03 pm PT...
Palin's interviews are just as hillarious as the Tina Fey skits. The frightening thing, however, is that Palin is serious. She's not joking. These are her actual responses to serious questions posed by so-called journalists in our failed forth estate, infotainers who are summarily just as terrified as we are that this numbskull stands a chance of having her finger near that blinking red button on Dick Cheney's desk. As much as I want to laugh, I can't help weeping bitterly. It's hard to belive that this is what has become of the Presidency of the United States of America. It's so tragic.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 6:30 pm PT...
COMMENT #19 Floridiot wrote:
"One is by changing the Dem party from the ground up...nah too slow for you"
How on Earth do you plan to change the dead Democratic Party from within when the very voting system that the public would vote on is fraudulent, corrupt and easily-hackable? No where in your comments do you say one word whatsoever about our fraudulent voting system yet you're on the very site that focuses on it. That's incredible to me...your Denial on this issue. You give me the impression that you see nothing wrong with our voting system and that all votes are counted accurately and fairly to "change the Democratic party from within." Bull shit. Don't you read any of the articles that Brad writes or has written on e-voting? Or do you just ignore all those so you can continue to live in your comfortable Denial and pretend that a dead party can somehow be changed from within using a corrupt voting system that favors Repugs?
Even if we had a fair, legitimate and honest voting system, it would be impossible to take over the dead Democratic Party. And frankly, who the hell would want it or want any part of them! To begin with, what's left of this party doesn't want to be taken over. It enjoys being a Bush-enabler and Repug II. And taking over the dead Democratic Party would be like me walking into Bechtel Corporation or Halliburton and trying to change them from within. It ain't going to happen. Either I follow the "leadership" of the company or I'm out the door. Period. With the corporatist congress, in order to have a successful career new people must follow the Bush-enabling so-called "leadership,"/DLC or the new politician is minimized like a Kucinich.
Who's too old for revolution?
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 7:15 pm PT...
I just can't get why Katie didn't ask "ok, so if it's the predatory lenders that are 'to blame', and you feel bad for the 'misinformed' home owners, why aren't you in support of helping the victims? I mean, we can't do anything to the predatory lenders now that Wall Street bought and sold, over and over, those bad loans.. but we CAN help those homeowners while stabilizing the economy.. where do you stand on that?".
But.. no.. the media refuses to ask the TOUGH questions.. they simply show the ignorance of Palin to the smart people, who already get it. G-d forbid they should make it OBVIOUS that the RIGHT-WING hates COMMONERS.
and, Floridiot, you know as well as Erma that the 2 party system is DOA. The DNC went out of their way to keep Kucinich out of the limelight even though he _actually_ speaks more for the "average Dem" than Obama.. but Obama is a "company man", Kucinich is just a good man.
It matters not how one votes. Voting to put Obama in only extends the fleecing of America. Putting McInsane in hastens it. Much like letting Wall Street BURN with their poor choices, sometimes ripping off the band aid is better than slowly peeling it for hours.
If Obama wins, I'll live in America for 2 more years until my kid graduates.. then look for an out. If McInsane wins, I'm getting my passport and looking for an out NOW.. There's no reason to think that the Ruling Elite aren't going to successfully turn America into a 3rd world nation sooner rather than later. Pretty soon the only jobs will be enlisting.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 7:18 pm PT...
But, Emra, to be fair..
The idea is that you can't swing the party back to complete sanity until it has complete control. I agree with that, but I don't think that's what the party's leadership intends. I think the fix is in.
(I have no idea who I'd want to run with Kucinich.. I don't know much about any other candidates or those wannabes).
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 8:06 pm PT...
I agree...the fix is in. It's been in since 2000.
The dead Democratic Party---especially the so-called "leadership"---has no interest whatsoever in being "changed from within." They know what they would have to do to be an "opposition party," but they clearly have no interest in that otherwise they would vote in a unified block against the Repugs repeatedly. And they would filibuster (like Obama said he would do with FISA. Remember?) Just like the Repugs do to the Dems regardless of whether the Repugs are in the minority or the majority. The Repugs don't care. They get their shit through congress regardless of their majority or minority status in congress. Remember with Bill Clinton?
The Dems are quite comfortable where they are: as Bush-enablers. It's just that their gullible supporters need to realize who and what the Dems really are. Unfortunately, that's not likely to happen with most partisan D supporters because of partisan party-line programming instilled at an early age.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 9:37 pm PT...
What more does one need to know than Palin is a young Earth Creationist and End Time Rapture Lunatic?
That fact alone should disqualify her in a world that wasn't run by delusional psychotics.
She should be locked up and injected with massive doses of Thorazine.
She is unfit to be a manager of a McDonalds let alone president of ANY country.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 9/28/2008 @ 11:59 pm PT...
So what, Palin had one bad interview. The liberal media has been trying to destroy her for weeks with lies and mud yet nothing sticks. People are forgetting that Obama was a terrible interview at first and said dumb things like there are 57 states. Nobody knows the state of this race because the MSM is reporting biased news and biased polls. McCain is going to be the next president.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 12:44 am PT...
Thanx Scott for proving my point as to why I vote for the lesser of two evils...sheesh
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 6:31 am PT...
Poor deluded Scott.
Palin has only had 2 interviews and both were not just bad but horrific because the women is basically INSANE.
Biden on the other hand has had over 90 interviews during the same time frame, ALL good.
and again, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A "LIBERAL MEDIA", so no matter how many times you brainwashed rethuglicans spew it, does not make it so.
The vast majority of the MSM is extremely Reich wing and easily proven to be.
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 6:36 am PT...
You are correct on one thing though.
Since the MSM IS extremely Reich Wing bias, they will cover up yet another stolen election just like they did in 2000 & 04'.
McSame probably will be the next pResident only because the S-election will be stolen AGAIN.
Gore won by over 1/2 a million votes and easily won Florida by at least 80,000+ votes.
Kerry won by over 8 million votes.
The "Liberal Media" covered it all up.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 6:52 am PT...
The cm$m & gop propaganda radio have set the bar so low for Thursdays debate ... palin just has to show up to win as far as they are concerned.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 7:30 am PT...
Every where Obama goes he is getting between 20,000 up to 200,000 (Germany) people.
Over 30,000+ in Michigan yesterday.
Even in a traditionally Red state (Virgina) just recently there were over 26,000 at his rally IN THE POURING RAIN!
What is funny is when you see Reich wingers like this :
Touting the "Largest McSame rally ever"! also in Virgina was at most 20,000 and was his largest by far, was in a red state, was on a nice perfect sunny day, was with his miserable excuse of a VP which sadly brings more crowds than he does (although thankfully that tide has turned now that they see she is insane).
Meanwhile about 2 weeks later Obama/Biden have a rally in Virgina, was pouring rain, was in a small venue that was over run with people where no more could even fit if they wanted to, over 26,000 people in a Red state in the rain.
McSame rarely gets over a few thousand, some have had to be cancelled from the venues due to low turnout.
In some cases protesters outside would have out numbered the Rally crowd. LOL
The only way he could manage to get some decent "
photo Ops" with larger crowds was to "crash" events like a Nascar race where everyone was there to watch the race and these idiots wonder up for a photo op.
McSame can barely fill a high school gym.
Obama regularly could fill a NFL stadium.
Clearly the polls are rigged in order to make it appear this race is close, obviously that is bullshit.
In reality I bet Obama is ahead by at least 15-20%.
But when the MSM is busy covering up the election fraud and rigged polls, and the extreme Reich wing Christofascist are busy stealing the election then reality makes no difference.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 7:58 am PT...
Hmmm... mccains uses BLUE signs ... to fool people . . .
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 9:04 am PT...
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 10:52 am PT...
I am a Republican and I am the same age as McCain. I was slightly leaning toward McCain until he decided to pick this thing for her shock value. Shock value is no qualification for Vice-President. The Social Security actuarial tables say that a 72 YO man has a 1 in 3 chance of dying in the next 8 years. That same 72 YO man has a 15% chance of dying in the next 4 years. I can't envision saying President Palin and it scares me that so many people are willing to vote for her without thinking of the consequences.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 11:31 am PT...
The Presidency should not be treated as another trophy wife
for the ego of a so called hero . . .
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 12:14 pm PT...
COMMENT #34 wrote:
"I can't envision saying President Palin and it scares me that so many people are willing to vote for her without thinking of the consequences."
Well, many people (Rs) were willing to vote for this Bush and look at that damnable redneck dunce, the war criminal. Blundering idiot. And many suckers voted for him twice.
Many people can't conceive of voting anything other than how they were brought up to vote by their parents/guardians: That party line crap. That's true for both D and R. It's part of most people's programming. Just like the hokus-pokus god superstitious shit.
Since the "election" (if there is one) will most likely be stolen (just like 2000/2004) you wouldn't have to refer to either McCain or Palin with any title because they will both most likely be illegitimate.
I've never referred to the current White House residents as "president" or "vice president" and never will because neither are legitimate.
Some so-called "liberals"/"progressives" started out referring to Bush as His Fraudulency and/or refusing to refer to him as "president" back in 2000, but over the years they have caved. Anyone surprised? So today, many so-called "liberals"/"progressives" refer to this piece of trash in the White House as "President" and they even use as capital P (which denotes respect)! Ugh. Makes me cringe every time I see that.
So one could just say McCain and Palin. That would be sufficient and correct.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 12:31 pm PT...
COMMENT #32 Bamboo Harvester wrote:
"Hmmm... mccains uses BLUE signs ... to fool people . ."
Speaking of signs, I remember when Traitor of the House Pelosi became speaker (UGH) and below her podium was a sign. It was a blue sign and the design of it was identical to that of the Project For the New American Century (PNAC) design. Same style.
At the time, I pointed that out to some people that the sign on her podium was strongly resembling the neocon's PNAC design. It was clearly a deliberate move (to send a message to the neocons), based on her behavior/performance since then. The useless piece of trash.
*Cindy Sheehan to replace Pelosi who is a Traitor to the US Constitution and her oath of office.
*Nader/Gonzalez 2008, if there is an "election."
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 12:32 pm PT...
Wilburrr... I 'd like to see Ron Jeremy interview sarah palin.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 12:43 pm PT...
Erma ~ I like BARACK.
gwb ~ if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it
Pelosi did just that by not holding impeachment hearing . . .
When you got any power you had better use it!
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 1:14 pm PT...
COMMENT #39 Bamboo Harvester wrote:
"Erma ~ I like BARACK."
Many people do. Just because he still has a D behind his name is the only requirement for many people. Then when someone starts rattling off the list of his pro FISA vote which shreds the US Constitution (what's left of it) and his voting yes for all war appropriations (while he postures as anti-war out of the other side of his mouth) during the short time he's been in the senate (which has enabled Bush) and his buying into Bush's "war on terror" nonsense (which enables Bush), and moving MORE troops into Afghanistan and his words about attacking Iran and Pakistan which really sound no different than Bush....these things just for starters usually make most Barack people start squirming and getting defensive because they don't want to hear the truth. So you like Barack do you, which really sounds no different than Bush? And those things are the major components of Obama.
Some/many(?) Barrack people have projected onto him (this empty suit) what they want him to be and do. Wishful-thinking and false hope. Good luck with that. If this man were allowed to reside in the White House he will take orders from the corporations, Wall Street, the military industrial complex et al....The same people the Bush regime and congressional scum answer to.
Got a e-mail from Cindy Sheehan earlier today.
The Dems voted FOR the bailout. Anyone surprised?
The Repugs voted against the bailout.
As of this writing, the corporate welfare plan was rejected by the House of Reps. It is a bad bill, and any of the amendments were only put there to try to pull the wool over our eyes.
Democrats: 141 voted "yea" and 94 voted "nay"
Republicans: 65 voted "yea" and 133 voted "nay"
So the bailout was rejected 227 to 206----with Republicans killing it.
It is just "back to the drawing board" for the corporate elite: Pelosi, Reid, Hoyer, Boehner and Bush..we still need to push for a bottom-up bailout!---Cindy Sheehan
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 1:28 pm PT...
Erma ~ A vote for Barack is a vote against a republican dictatorship if nothing else even if it's only a fractional value when calculated with the republican election corruption factor.
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 1:40 pm PT...
Erma ~ What has Ralf Nader done for my vote ... if nothing else he could have been sport and supported the lesser of 2 evils ... That would have made a big difference at this verymoment ... NO! his ego was more important ... So Fuck him and the horse he rode in on ... period.
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 1:57 pm PT...
COMMENT #41 Bamboo Harvester wrote:
"Erma ~ A vote for Barack is a vote against a republican dictatorship..."
Barack has enabled the current Bush/Repug/Dem dictatorship with his yes votes, his complicity and his silence. Most recently his FISA vote. So I don't know how on Earth anyone can write what you wrote and actually believe it, other than you're living in Denial.
And what does Ralph Nader or Matt Gonzalez have to do with YOUR vote? Where does that thinking come from? Your Obama could have "been a sport" and endorsed Nader/Gonzalez if Obama were serious and sincere about legitimate positive change. And Ralph is just trying to win an "election" just like your Obama. You don't seem clear on the concept. And now your precious Dems have voted FOR the corporate bail out. Transferring wealth to a few wealthy individuals. And you STILL support these useless and worthless Bush-enabling Dems? Incredible.
We got where we are together by people/sheep voting this "lesser of two evils" bull shit. And by staying in that rut, we just keep going down, down, down. Some people refuse to learn from the past. They are so blinded by party-line.
Also, I see you completely glossed over/ignored and did not respond to anything I wrote about your Obama. Typical.
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 2:39 pm PT...
What’s next on the MSM Talking Points plate? Why it’s downgrading the expectations of the VP debate for Sarah Palin.
She’ll have an earpiece and perform flawlessly.
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 2:42 pm PT...
Erma ~ There's about a 10% split of idiots in the middle ya have to win over in a national election and ya got to do what ya have to do to get'em or ya got the gop... Is that what ya want ?
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 3:09 pm PT...
COMMENT #45 Bamboo Harvester wrote:
"Erma ~ There's about a 10% split of idiots in the middle ya have to win over in a national election and ya got to do what ya have to do to get'em or ya got the gop... Is that what ya want ?"
We already have the GOP and that will remain so. Period.
First off, you sound just like Floridiot. You're on this website which focuses on these damnable easily-hackable electronic voting machines which are all over the nation yet you make it sound like we have fair and legitimate "elections" when we don't. I'm now beginning to question how many people on here actually believe what Brad reports on when it comes to this e-voting topic. The last two presidential "elections" were stolen, so why would you think that 2008 (if there is an "election") would be any different when the voting system is the same corrupt, fradulent system?
We will continue with the GOP regardless of whether the candidate has a D or an R behind his name. Obama is a pro-war corporatist Republican when the truth be told. The same for McCain.
As I have said previously, the GOP gets their shit rammed through congress whether they are in the MINORITY or the majority. The same cannot be said about your beloved Dems (who spits in your face repeatedly and then you hug them...talk about a dysfunctional relationship!).
I want Nader/Gonzalez. I don't want the status quo and that's what one will get with either your Obama or McCain.
And before someone chimes in with that "What about the Supreme Court, what about the Supreme Court?" pabulum...
The DEMS helped give us Alito and Roberts. They were not required to vote for either, but to enable Bush they did. So one can flush that Supreme Court argument down the toilet where it belongs. And does anyone honestly believe that an Obama or McCain would nominate a "progressive" candidate to the Supreme Court? And do you really think that this Bush-enabling Senate would confirm a "progressive" candidate? LOL. Yeah right.
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 3:19 pm PT...
Some so-called "liberals"/"progressives" started out referring to Bush as His Fraudulency and/or refusing to refer to him as "president" back in 2000, but over the years they have caved.
Not me. Just sayin'.
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 3:29 pm PT...
Erma ~ Do you want mccain/palin. YES OR NO ?
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 3:37 pm PT...
COMMENT #47 Brad Friedman wrote:
"Not me. Just sayin'."
No you haven't. Right-on! You are one of the very few people I can think of who has not caved. I thought to myself "Brad hasn't caved," when I was writing that, but I forget to mention it. Glad you did. Now that I give it more thought, you are the only person that I can think of who hasn't caved. All the talk show hosts that I can think of have.
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 4:00 pm PT...
COMMENT #48 Bamboo Harvester wrote:
"Erma ~ Do you want mccain/palin. YES OR NO ?"
I'm not playing your game. I've already made myself quite clear as to my intention.
If you want to vote for Walk on Water Obama (assuming there is an "election"), and you've bought into his "hope and change" bullshit then you are certainly free to do so.
I have no intention whatsoever of doing so. I will vote my own choice which I've already stated (if there is an "election").
Voting or not voting is a personal choice. No one should tell anyone else how to vote. And no one should feel pressured in their vote just because "everybody's doing it" like a bunch of sheep.
I want who I will be voting for, if there is an "election." Not that my vote OR YOURS (or anyone else's) will be accurately counted on this fraudulent, corrupt, easily-hackable voting system.
To me, it is a given that McCain/Palin will be selected, mainly because they have a R behind their name. Walk on Water Obama could be allowed to occupy the White House, if he has convinced the Bush regime that he will continue their anti-US Constitution agenda and their dictatorship. And with his recent FISA vote that could likely be his signal to them. Add to the pile all of his war talk, "war on terror" nonsense and other neocon rhetoric. He also has bought into the official "911" story/lies.
Now, after we get past the "election" charade of it all, will the current occupants leave in January? As I've said before, I'll believe they are leaving when I see them leave. I don't think they are going anywhere. There's that Directive 51 they put in place. I talked with a relative the other day who said she didn't think they were going anywhere either, to my surprise. I never expected her to say that.
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 4:17 pm PT...
Erma ~ I think we're on the same side, we just have different ideas on how to get to the same place. You no doubt have me questioning myself.
Hope Springs Eternal (-:
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 7:43 pm PT...
I have never called him anything but *, even before the Supremes ensconced him, and not just online, even when I'm speaking. His snarling sidekick has been "Fudd" since he shot a guy in the face, and he was "Dickwad" or something similar before that. I think Erma is mistaking us for denizens of a groupthink blog... or just looking for shit to bitch about.... Not as though there aren't a million other things to bitch about... slaughtering people for oil... torturing people... looting the treasury... hastening mass extinction events... smearing shit all over the Constitution before they shred it and mulch their poison ivy farms with it....
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 10:53 pm PT...
Go Erma, you rock.
I agree with every word you wrote, and you have a lot more patience and tolerance than me.
As for Palin, I think the National Review calling for her exit is the death knell of her vice pResidential career. But despite that I'm still picking McCain to win with 51% of the vote and would be surprised if any long-time reader of this website could disagree. You all must not have been paying attention these last 4 years.
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 11:05 pm PT...
"I think we're on the same side, we just have different ideas on how to get to the same place."
The fundamental underlying issue is that we are given false choices in our electoral process. Obama, while coming across as the MUCH better choice, is STILL a institutional tool. He's no "progressive" and he's no "liberal" and he's no "traditional Democrat"... but, he's what the party has put out there, and he looks SOOOOO much better tan the "right-wing death trap" that's being proposed.
But Erma's point, and what is lost on most people is, Obama is still a team player of those looking to loot this country. He's no better than Bill Clinton with his NAFTA and his signing on to the Glasser removal which helped precipitate this current financial collapse. They are ALL GLOBALISTS, and EVERY honest economist will tell you that we're in uncharted water here. Economics was never about looking into a "global perspective".
America as we know it MUST DIE for GLOBALIZATION to be realized. The people that own the Federal Reserve also own the major International Banks. They stand to control just about everything once we fully go "global", and Obama is content to usher that in. Sure, he's also trying to mitigate the damage to Americans, but that's a pipe dream.
Here are some facts that you have to consider. America is 7% of the world's population. America consumes 40% of the planets resources. 75% of the planet's population (I'm pulling that from my ass, but with China and India being near 50% of the pop, I think I'm close) want to "live like Ameircans". That means we would need over 400% of the resources we currently have.
Americans WILL become a 3rd world nation simply because that's the ONLY way to "spread it all around". The ruling elite are trying to make sure THEY lose nothing in this. And the Rethuglicunts are doing their damnedest to facilitate that. Obama is trying to mitigate the pain. Neither party at this point is trying to "save America".
Reversing NAFTA, killing the Federal Reserve, restricting international trading.. those are what we need to do to keep Americans employed. But 90% of all politicians don't see that, they see their 10s of millions tied up in stocks and bonds in the "market" and only want to improve bottom lines. .... only about 45% of America is vested in the market.. that leaves the MAJORITY of Americans NOT benefitting from "globalization".
The 2 party system has failed us. America will be destroyed, and there is nothing you can do about it. Our Democracy is dead (this site proves it with each new story about electronic voting and our usurped voting rights). The ruling elite (read: Congress and their big money bakers) are all multi-millionaires, all with portfolios of 10s of millions of dollars, that's the top 5% or so. One of the only "average" Reps is Kucinich, and the DEMOCRATIC PARTY shut him down.
While this current election might be about "how do we not shrivel up tomorrow", the question of "how do we get back on track" is not being presented in the currently rigged game. .... that's Erma's point, and I agree.
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]
said on 9/29/2008 @ 11:28 pm PT...
I think Bubba hates Obama so much because Obama out Clintons him every time. And, yes, I don't think that's a good thing.
COMMENT #56 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 1:07 am PT...
COMMENT #53 njt wrote:
"Go Erma, you rock. I agree with every word you wrote, and you have a lot more patience and tolerance than me. As for Palin, I think the National Review calling for her exit is the death knell of her vice pResidential career. But despite that I'm still picking McCain to win with 51% of the vote and would be surprised if any long-time reader of this website could disagree. You all must not have been paying attention these last 4 years."
Gracias, I appreciate that.
Can that woman (Palin) be removed from the ticket after the Repug party convention? I'm not so sure she can be. National Review must think she can be since they are calling for her to drop out, but I thought that after the conventions things were pretty sealed/done. And they are now stuck with her.
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 5:38 am PT...
Yeah all this babble will not stop this country from going under either.
You either hasten this countrys demise by diluting the vote with ideology, or you have the ability to slow it down a bit...your choice.
The big money people will always win, you just have to decide where your priorities lie because without them there will be no jobs.
You either lean towards fairness, or you lean towards Fascism that's all there is.
If you don't know who "Jo Bunker" are, you don't know that history is actually a pretty good compass as to where we are headed.
The only legislature that was not subject to this appeal of fear in this way was that of Rhode Island, where the same elements as carried on the Shays Rebellion were now in actual control of the legislature. Accordingly the Rhode Island legislature, realizing that the proposed convention was nothing more than an attempt to organize a coup by which the Cincinnati could take power, refused to have anything to do with the proposed convention; from which arises the fact that the present Constitution of the United States had no signatures from Rhode Island.
It goes on to say at how Rhode Island was starved out in the end.
I ain't holding it against you for trying to change the way things are but you need a little perspective to see what you're actually up against and how it turns out.
Again, Read it!!!
at least read Chapters 26& 27
COMMENT #58 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 7:46 am PT...
Wilburrr... Barck Obama is The adult, McCain is the . . . & I'm the Horse.
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 1:19 pm PT...
COMMENT #57 Floridiot wrote:
"You either hasten this countrys demise by diluting the vote with ideology, or you have the ability to slow it down a bit...your choice."
I don't believe you said that ON THIS SITE OF ALL SITE!
No, it is NOT our choice. We have absolutely no control over the nation's corrupt, fraudulent, easily-hackable electronic voting machines no matter how one votes. One does not know that one's vote is being counted fairly and accurately, or counted at all. Just as one example, did you not read and comprehend the story Brad wrote where his votes were flipped in Los Angeles? Or did you think he made the whole thing up? Or did you completely ignore his story because it had to do with "boring voting machines which I have no interest in because I don't really believe that stuff....I think it's loony conspiracy theorist stuff even though I comment on his site all the time I just ignore all that nonsense."
Well, here's the link to his article in case you ignored it:
Again, you seem/appear to be living under the illusion that we have fair, honest and legitimate elections. WE DON'T. Do you not believe ANYTHING that Brad has on this site regarding the easily-hackable electronic voting machines?
You've not said one word in any of your comments about them or the corrupt voting system in any of your comments. And I find that astounding.
You and others could be on any other blog (where the people there live in Denial about our corrupt voting system). But you are on a blog that specifically focuses on this topic. Yet at least to me, I get no sense from you that this e-voting topic is even in your mind or a passing concern. None.
Then you wrote:
"You either lean towards fairness, or you lean towards Fascism that's all there is."
Are you referring to Walk on Water Obama as "fairness" and McCain as "fascism," by chance? Pssssssst: Are you not aware that Obama voted for fascism with his FISA vote which shreds the US Constitution? Or are you going to make an excuse and apology for that, like Dem koolaid drinkers like to do?
Jesus fuking christ. Where do some people come from?
I don't say what I'm about to say too often:
It was all over for this nation the night of the 2000 Judicial Coup. Period. Done. Finished. And I'm not the only person who says this. So whatever you are hanging onto, you're wasting your time. It's over. It's been over. Ever since the night of the 2000 Judicial Coup things have only gotten worse with every passing day in this nation with the help of the Repugs, Bush/Cheney/Rove et al and the Bush-enabling Dems. The night of the Judicial Coup I told the people around me: "It's all over. If these Bush people will steal an election (with the help of the Dems), they will do ANYTHING." And they have. And will continue to do so. That's why I don't think they are going anywhere in January. And even if they do, NOTHING is going to change of substance regardless of how much false hope and delusional wishful-thinking one engages in.
It is absolute bull shit for anyone to think at this point in time that it is "our choice," when the very voting system is fradulent and corrupt. And I would not have expected to read such drivel on here.
Assuming there is an "election," the final vote tally can be made to look however "the people behind the curtain" choose to make it look (most likely we will be told by the corporate media that "it's close" at 51% to 49%) regardless of voter turnout or how people actually vote. (When, not if, voters have the same experience Brad had...see the link above). We will be told a tally but that doesn't mean anything.
COMMENT #60 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 1:42 pm PT...
Erma, I don't care if you read the link I put up or not, but the elections have been rigged since number one, so the man says.
Get with it.
COMMENT #61 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 2:14 pm PT...
Since you have finally acknowledged that our "elections" are rigged, please explain to me then (in detail, versus your glib one-liners) how it is "our choice?" I'd love to hear a logical explanation of that.
COMMENT #62 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 2:17 pm PT...
Erma, why are you voting for Nader then? So they won't steal your vote?
The plan, as I understand it, is to make them steal our votes, and the more votes you make them steal from the lesser of two evils, the better chance you have of busting them.
It ain't much, for sure, but your bit about Nader doesn't address it at all.
Not at all.
COMMENT #63 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 2:21 pm PT...
No, really. You're all testosterone about voting for third party people, and at the exact same time you insist voting at all is worthless.
Please don't retort that more votes for third parties is going to impress them enough to change their evil ways. That would be just psychedelic.
COMMENT #64 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 2:27 pm PT...
And, even if it did, THE ELECTIONS ARE RIGGED. You're attacking in a vicious circle.
COMMENT #65 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 2:29 pm PT...
On reflection, maybe somebody else would be interested in hearing the answer to my question I posed to you in Comment #61, but I'm no longer interested. It doesn't make any difference to me at this point.
It is impossible to have a discussion with someone who ignores most of what one writes (other than the rigged "election" part). You didn't respond to anything else I wrote in Comment #59 or in any other comments for that matter. All you could do was to issue an ordering "Get with it" which is just meaningless pabulum.
So, I'm not interested in any further discussion with you on any topic. I see I'm wasting my time. I like people who are able to talk and communicate and write something, versus glib one liners and 1-2 short sentences as a response, which don't really tell me anything.
COMMENT #66 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 2:43 pm PT...
COMMENT #62 Agent 99 wrote:
"Erma, why are you voting for Nader then? So they won't steal your vote? The plan, as I understand it, is to make them steal our votes, and the more votes you make them steal from the lesser of two evils, the better chance you have of busting them.
It ain't much, for sure, but your bit about Nader doesn't address it at all. Not at all."
I've already addressed that in a previous comment I'm sure. I'm voting my conscience. Will they steal my vote for Nader/Gonzalez? Probably. But I'm still voting my conscience regardless. Do I think that my vote for Nader/Gonzalez will be fairly and accurately counted? No, not necessarily. There's not much more to explain about that really. They do with votes whatever they so choose to do with votes, including the votes for Nader/Gonzalez.
These scum don't need to be "made to steal votes." It's a given. And they are not going to be busted anymore than they were in 2000 or 2004 or the "elections" in between.
Most people still think we have fair and honest elections and when most people think that, no one is going to be busted.
COMMENT #67 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 2:50 pm PT...
Since the consensus seems to be that it will be Republicans stealing votes again this time, rest assured they're not going to steal yours. Yours helps them. They prefer you don't vote at all, but voting for someone who takes votes away from the "liberal" is hunky-dory by them.
You are in all probability right about no one going to be busted... unless there's a revolution... or someone gives Brad and Steve and the rest of the gang badges....
COMMENT #68 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 2:50 pm PT...
"I'm voting my conscience"
....meaning I think that Nader/Gonzalez would be best for the nation and the world. That's why I'm voting for them, whether my vote is fairly or accurately counted or not. My vote has nothing whatsoever to do with the "election" being stolen or it being a given to me that it will be stolen. I'm still voting my conscience regardless.
Even if "we" knew for a certainty that the "election" would be completely legitimate and all votes would be fairly and accurately counted, I would still be voting for Nader/Gonzalez.
COMMENT #69 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 2:56 pm PT...
I think what I'm trying to say and Floridiot is trying to say is: since the elections are rigged, and the whole process of getting elected is rigged, the ONLY way you can make your vote count is to help landslide someone beyond what they have rigged against them. Our point is that they've actually made it so that voting your conscience, looking for the most decent person to run things and voting for him or her, is detrimental to everyone.
COMMENT #70 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 3:39 pm PT...
So, I'm not interested in any further discussion with you on any topic.
Good news for me
COMMENT #71 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 5:42 pm PT...
"The big money people will always win, you just have to decide where your priorities lie because without them there will be no jobs.
You either lean towards fairness, or you lean towards Fascism that's all there is."
Seriously, these are false dichotomies, and are why this country is failing. First, it's not "big money" that creates jobs, it's people filling a need that's too big for them to do it themselves so they hire someone to help. Jobs are created because there's demand of "something", and the "big money" doesn't create that demand, they are currently the ones filling it.
If we lived in a real Capitalistic society, anyone that wanted to produce something (or provide a service) would have access to the capital they needed to do it. Hence, to assure that anyone that has an idea (we'll go so far as to say a reasonable plan), the Government must be willing to step in when "big money" will not. Without new little guys out there, we have monopolies and that's bad.
And since in America it's getting harder and harder to start up a decent company (can't compete with all the very cheap labor in China and India, which is why we need to redo our "trade" agreements to stop favoring big money), we are getting farther and farther from a functioning Capitalism.
Then you offer only 2 choices.. toward fairness or toward fascism. What about toward progressive policies? In THEORY, we can vote for whom ever we want, and whom ever gets the most votes WINS. So, if the "people" want a progressive leadership, they vote for that change.
In our current rigged system, they select so we can elect. We aren't given "real" competing choices, so playing along in the game is to give up your _real_ "choice" and simply play their game. All the many years of playing the game has gotten us here, to this dead end.
Our Founding Fathers were given a choice at one point, too. Bow to the Crown or be destroyed. They chose neither, and here we are.
I don't have any false illusions about where we are today. And I don't support good cop over bad cop, that won't ever bring about the change we need. The "change" candidate was Kucinich, and his PARTY shut him down.
And if I had to chose between having a band aid ripped off fast, or slowly peeled.. I'll go for the fast rip every time.
Let's get this ball rollin.. I'd like to get this mess cleaned up before my child graduates college so she can live in a sane country with a fair and functioning economy.. and that ain't gonna happen if we stretch this out any more. Get McInsane in there and let's burn this bitch down so we can rebuild it sooner rather than later.
Snark off, I don't think McInsane will win, and if he did, I don't think the moron masses in America would wake up when it all goes up in flames. Wanna know why? ... I work with a fairly smart woman who's 100% Republican. Today she said "we need to keep religion out of politics".. "Good", I thought.. Then 5 minutes later, while talking about the 100 million folks in America that are suffering day to day and struggling to get by and how the Ultra Rich wouldn't miss some of their ill gotten gains and how much that could help the lowly masses.. she said "but how do we know that those people aren't suffering as part of g-d's plan?" ......
So, to sum up.. the right-wing, the christo-fascists, feel it's a-ok for people to starve in the streets because, hey.. that might just be part of g-d's plan.. after all, the "better off" have been chosen by g-d too, then, by that logic.. right? So, the ruling elite and the middle class right-wing fucktards are all chosen by g-d, and those suffering are simply adhering to g-d's plan.
I guess the part of their book where jesus said "as you do unto the least of these, you do unto me" just doesn't matter.. cause letting the suffer isn't the same as letting g-d suffer, even though he said it was.
No, Floridiot.. we're quite fucked. Slowing it down, voting toward fairness, that's the gimick. The reality is that it won't matter much. Obama has shown he's a company man with his FISA support and the bailout support without massive constraints on companies.. demanding insurance on kids (that's going to be a strain on a lot of people) instead of universal health care.. he's anti-equal rights for gays.. He's no real Democrat, he's a centrist that now looks like a Dem. And, as Erma points out, we need to vote our conscience. They have us convinced to vote their game, and that's a losing bet in the long run. Obama is 100% a globalist, and that's bad for Americans. Great for the big money, though.
COMMENT #72 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 6:02 pm PT...
Look, I agree with Erma and everyone in the vote your conscience crowd. I'm out of my mind livid about this filthy state of affairs. Obama's positions are ultimately not great for this country. When the globalists figure out how to protect the workers in this big corporate bonanza, then fine, but until then, it's just suicide. Quick suicide if you vote Republican or third party and slow suicide with the shred of a hope to live if you vote Democratic. I want a goddam revolution very badly, but failing that, the absolute best anyone can do for the hungry and homeless here, and maybe even those we're slaughtering elsewhere, is to vote by the bajillions for Obama.
I positively hate the Democrats for doing this to us, and they are as guilty of it as the Republicans. I went to the Registrar's office to make sure there was absolutely no chance there would be any mistaking that I am 100% no longer in that party.
I think Nader is an ass. I would LOVE to vote for Cynthia McKinney. She's the only one with the courage, the integrity and the selflessness needed in a president.
But the fuckers are rigging the elections by a thousand nefarious means, and the only hope of keeping outright criminals out of the White House, and doing the best we can for our suffering brothers and sisters, is to vote for Obama, whether we're Democrats, Republicans, Independents or Greens. THERE IS NO GETTING AROUND THAT, UNLESS WE RISE UP.
I console myself that it is a big step, the biggest step, for Martin's dream, and that the rest of the world will instantly cease hating us so much if we manage to out-vote the rigged election and put him in the White House.
COMMENT #73 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 6:30 pm PT...
Wilburrr... ~ You have a choice between the Beginning or the End . . . . .
Anything else is a cop out . . .
COMMENT #74 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 8:22 pm PT...
99, I loves ya, and I don't disagree too much with Savanster, he makes a lot of sense.
But what 99 said in 6 words of her rant is what most people fail to understand:
for our suffering brothers and sisters
Get that? A woman truly of the people said that.
Help the majority reach their goal, please, anything else is selfish ideology.
Oh, and hammer that dude left AFTER he gets in.
COMMENT #75 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 9:00 pm PT...
COMMENT #71 Savantster wrote:
"And if I had to chose between having a band aid ripped off fast, or slowly peeled.. I'll go for the fast rip every time.
Let's get this ball rollin.. I'd like to get this mess cleaned up before my child graduates college so she can live in a sane country with a fair and functioning economy.. and that ain't gonna happen if we stretch this out any more. Get McInsane in there and let's burn this bitch down so we can rebuild it sooner rather than later."
Well, to me it's a given that McCain/Palin will be selected since they officially have a R behind their name. But Walk on Water Obama may be allowed to have it. They let the Dems have the 2006 "election" most likely because they knew that nothing was going to change by letting the Dems have the majority. And nothing has changed for the positive. The same could be true with Obama. That they know that he will continue their neocon PNAC agenda. He's certainly shown indications and neocon rhetoric that he will do just that despite all of people's dreamland wishful-thinking and false hope that they have in this man.
But your comment is very similar to what Mike Malloy said a couple of months ago on his show, and he received lots of criticism from the Dem kool-aid drinkers also. Some people even threatened to cancel or did cancel their Nova M membership. Some listeners---who don't listen well---somehow heard Mike say to vote for McCain. Mike never said that. What he did say was "let McCain have it."
Malloy said "Let McCain have it....do you really think Obama is going to be able to clean up this mess?! No, let McCain have it with a veto-proof congress."
LOL. A veto-proof congress, eh? Yeah, that's likely to happen all right. Have another hit.
And Malloy never explained how the veto-proof congress was to come about.
But after McCain chose Palin, Malloy started drinking the Dem kool-aid once again---it doesn't take him much to start sipping that kool-aid---and now he intends to vote for Walk On Water Obama. He thought that Biden was a pathetic choice (which he was) for Obama to choose. Malloy is not a strong Obama/Biden supporter, but clearly Malloy prefers to stay in this rut of the "lesser of two evils" nonsense that helped get us where we are in the first place. I want no part of that rut. Been there. Done that and not about to do it again as I see where it's gotten us. We hear this "lesser of two evils" fear-card nonsense every "election" cycle without fail. It's used as the tired excuse for staying in this rut by those who don't have the courage to vote their conscience and instead vote out of fear.
*Nader/Gonzalez 2008, if there is an "election."
COMMENT #76 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 9:19 pm PT...
Sadly Erma is 100% correct.
There is no such thing as "making them steal our votes" that's pure bull pucky.
Fact of the matter that it is just as easy to steal 20 Million votes as it is to steal 20.
In fact they have already stolen the election a year ago when the MSM steered and manipulated everyone to believe that Obama & Clinton were the Democratic front runners.
In all of the early polls Kucinich was clearly in the lead until the media went to work on him.
So the real front runner, the real peoples choice has already been taken out of the picture.
Ron Paul was the clear front runner on the Rethug side.
Also if EVERYBODY voted their conscience then a REAL candidate would be elected, someone like Kucinich or McKinney, even Nader.
NOT voting your conscience is why we are FUBAR.
I have voted my conscience for the last 3 elections and will continue to do so until the vast majority of IDIOTS catch up to the reality of what is happening and stop voting for the slightly lesser of 2 insane evils.
Basically everyone ignorant enough to vote either Democrat or Rethug is simply proving Einstein correct.
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.
I am not insane.
I vote Green Party.
If everybody voted Green then McKinney would win.
The old don't vote 3rd party because if you do then a freaked out Christofascist NeoNazi will win is pure BS.
These bastards are going to steal the damn election because of 2 reasons.
The vast majority of us are way to weak & scared to do a GD damn thing about it even when 10s of millions of us all know the last 2 elections were blatantly stolen we did NOTHING.
And way too many have been brainwashed into believing that voting your conscience means that the most evil SOB will always win.
Personally I am embarrassed to be called American.
When I travel I have Canadian stickers on my suitcase and a say "Eh?" a lot.
I rarely if ever disagree with 99 but this time I have to.
COMMENT #77 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 9:48 pm PT...
Fact of the matter that it is just as easy to steal 20 Million votes as it is to steal 20.
That's something of an overstatement, but basically true. The thing is: We have seen that they have to PLAN how many they need to steal in advance, and if they fall short, they lose, even with the votes they stole. THAT is why making them steal your vote matters in the real world, and idealistically speaking, it also matters not to just cave to their perfidy, to fight them. They very desperately don't want us voting at all, but they will be thrilled if we punch our tickets for Cynthia or Ralph or Ron or ANYBODY who isn't Obama.
And about being embarrassed to be an American... sheesh... tell me about it....
COMMENT #78 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 9:51 pm PT...
COMMENT #79 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 9:58 pm PT...
Hmm after re-reading 99's last post again I actually understand your position better.
I take back 99% of what I said in previous post about disagreeing with you.
The only thing I take issue with is just whether or not stealing 20,000 votes or 20 million is going to make any difference.
They stole at least 8 Million votes from Kerry in 04' without even batting an eyelash.
I am rather certain that Obama is ahead (if a REAL poll was taken) by at least 15% not 5%.
Its not going to make any difference.
The only way Obama gets in is if he sells his soul to the top 2% of the cretins that really run this country.
If he does he wont be much better than McSame.
If he agrees and then reneges after he is "allowed" to win then they will just assassinate him.
It is a lose/lose situation and the ONLY thing that will bring real change is for We the People to TAKE this country back.
The only way that is ever going to happen is if we hit absolute rock bottom 3rd world status.
COMMENT #80 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 10:23 pm PT...
Yuh. Even if he were perfect, he would not be allowed to be any better of a president than Bubba was, and... as it turns out, Bubba didn't do us many favors. We have to make a better world, and they are not going to take to it willingly.
I honestly don't see why the big boys would object to Obama as president. He will do what they want. But there is a whole layer of damn rich, so damn powerful, criminals now, who are big enough boys to insist on continuing... with the hope of prevailing.
So. I think Obama's already gotten the nod, but there are some supremely unscrupulous people who are fighting that and will stop at nothing to get McSenile and Pig Lips.
COMMENT #81 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 11:07 pm PT...
Wilbur ~ I'd like to know how it feels like to Win after 300 years of losing.
COMMENT #82 [Permalink]
said on 9/30/2008 @ 11:20 pm PT...
Palin is actually PAINFUL to listen to. She's a bizarre combo of
-- MallSpeak: She sounds like a 14-year-old kid, and is a half-step away from chirping, "Like, you know, so they go, like, 'Whatever,' like, you know ..."
-- Assertive Nothingness ... that bizarre assertiveness-training (or sales) tactic in which the speaker yammers along in stream-of-consciousness style, allows no interruption, and doesn't say a damned thing: It's all modifiers and dependent clauses and circularity, with no subject/object/meaning.
And worse, she's not even good at THIS stuff, since she sputters along as if she's uncomfortable speaking whole sentences, has no "organizing principle" in her head, and is just stringing together (and repeating, and repeating) a handful of cheat-sheet phrases, regardless of relevance.
It's pathetic - a national candidate who makes language-ish "sounds," with no content or thought at all.
And this is AFTER she's been coached?
COMMENT #83 [Permalink]
said on 10/1/2008 @ 4:09 am PT...
I see Bamboo read my 1786 link, good on ya BH.
...pig lips...lol, she gets more disgusting every time I watch her, she has the Ann Coulter air about her.
COMMENT #84 [Permalink]
said on 10/1/2008 @ 6:10 am PT...
If MacCain/Palin wins there will be blood in the streets. Hello Revolution. God Help the USA, Emotions are running so high this time around and people are really very very angry with MacCain for putting us through this stupid cow Palin that people are really scared. Consider after 8 years of Bush/Chaney what will happen if the Republicans steal the election again. Yep! blood in the streets
COMMENT #85 [Permalink]
said on 10/1/2008 @ 11:42 am PT...
COMMENT #86 [Permalink]
said on 10/1/2008 @ 12:16 pm PT...
COMMENT #84 Grahame wrote:
"If MacCain/Palin wins there will be blood in the streets. Hello Revolution. God Help the USA, Emotions are running so high this time around and people are really very very angry with MacCain for putting us through this stupid cow Palin that people are really scared. Consider after 8 years of Bush/Chaney what will happen if the Republicans steal the election again. Yep! blood in the streets"
I'll believe it when I see it. I think that's more wishful-thinking. I suspect most people will say "get over it." That's what I was told when I was in the streets with about ONLY 100 people in my major city following the 2000 stolen "election." Most people couldn't be bothered.
2004 was stolen and most people just accepted that. John Kerry couldn't get to the microphone fast enough to concede to Bush. There were no protests in the streets.
If there is "blood in the streets" that might be when martial law is declared and Directive 51 crops up and in a chain of events Bush/Cheney declare they are NOT leaving in January, as has been my suspicion since 2000. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.
And if some god were going to "help the USA" we wouldn't be in this dismal state to begin with. And if one must drag out the god card, ask this god to "bless the world" not just the States.
Despicable people got us into this mess. People will have to get us out, if that were possible.
COMMENT #87 [Permalink]
said on 10/1/2008 @ 10:40 pm PT...
# 83 Flo ~ I have no recollection of that link ... Perhaps you could repost it just in case there's on outside chance it refreshes my memory ...
COMMENT #88 [Permalink]
said on 10/1/2008 @ 10:48 pm PT...
COMMENT #89 [Permalink]
said on 10/2/2008 @ 4:45 am PT...
Thanks 99, I didn't know we were still posting way the hell down here anymore.
Anywho Bamboo, this Sidis guy wrote this back about the beginning of the (first) Great Depression. I have no idea if it is true or not but he seems to have a lot of knowledge of what was really going on back then, not the shit that the elites made up for our history textbooks in our schools today.
It is more of a perspective of what the regular people were fighting for back before the Constitution was was written. (or if it was another Patriot Act type thing, who knows?) during the time when the Articles of Confederation were in force.
I myself am amazed at the book, it is truly an eye opener
COMMENT #90 [Permalink]
said on 10/2/2008 @ 4:51 am PT...
he-he I stuttered (was was)
COMMENT #91 [Permalink]
said on 10/2/2008 @ 10:15 am PT...
Thanks! I'll read it tonight.
COMMENT #92 [Permalink]
said on 10/2/2008 @ 10:24 am PT...
I used italics for aesthetics in #81 ... those are my thoughts.
COMMENT #93 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2008 @ 11:10 am PT...
If Sarah Palin is a lost case.. Because of her, i will not vote for McCain.