Brad:

You may want to comment tonight on this Jerk's article: Diebold Caught Again in Politics of Technology where the guy says:

I personally don't really care what kind of software is used inside U.S. voting machines but I hope people from outside the U.S do not get the impression from these conspiracy theory wackos that software --- open or closed source --- caused the voting problems in the U.S. in 2000 and 2004.

Just to refresh everyone's memory:

-- the problem in Fla in 2000 and Ohio in 2004 (to the extent there really was a problem in Ohio) was a turn of the century (as in 1900) technology called punched cards, not software.

-- In New Mexico, the problem was allegedly a matter of ballots not being counted at all, not in their being misread by embedded software.

Of course, to really buy into the Diebold conspiracy theories you have to assume one of two things happens. Either all the Diebold voting machines are rigged by Diebold executives in the middle of the night after the working stiff programmers go home, or you have to assume that the working stiff programmers are also Republicans.

Thanks Zelduh -

No time to read that one right now, but will try to look at it before tomorrow's show. As you know, whoever said that is full of shit.

ONE of the biggest probs in FL 2000 was when Diebold's tabulators (then owned by Global Election Systems) registered NEGATIVE 16,022 votes "for" Al Gore in Volusia County, leading to the later-retracted concessions, leading to the later-argued Bush litigation in the Supreme Court that he would be harmed if they bothere dto count the ballots since he had already been announced the winner by the media.

In NM, thousands of voters on Native American reservations showed no vote at all for President on Sequoia touch-screens machines.

As to his nonsense that Diebold execs are needed to hack an election, that's absurd, as their programmers have already screwed up the machines (by their own admission, they lose thousands of votes!), but anyone with access to a single voting machine can flip an entire election. I guess those "conspiracy theory whackos" of Princeton University must need a talking to.

I'm pretty darn sure you meant "irascible" up there, so I fixed it. And if that's the word yer gonna use on the air, it's ear-rass-sibble...

Although, fitting as it sometimes surely is, I really am a darling girl, ridiculously slow to anger, except on such a very few hot button issues....

Vastly more fair and balanced than... well... you know....

Actually, meant rascible, 99. Yes, I know I coined the word. But yes, I think it fits ya (at least on some days...like, just guessing...tonight maybe).

All those beers everyone wanted me to have? They're in there now. In me. heh heh heh

Outlaw all electronic voting machines.
Stop the bailout.
Legalize pot. (I need to ask my doct0r if weed is right for me, oh wait I don't have a doct0r!!)
Impeach the President.
Arrest the Treasury Pirates
Revoke the frequencies for the fascist corporate media.
Legalize Pizza. Oh wait.
Restore the US Constitution.
Smell the roses.
Produce something again.
Revoke Nafta, Cafta, et. al.
M-end the wars.
Solar, Hydrogen, Biofuel, ban oil imports.
Ban Nuclear power plants. (they are not green and we haven't been alive long enough to deal with the waste)
Paper Ballots, Hand Counted, Public Oversight, Arrest the Vote cagers and purgers.
BBBBBBBBBBBBUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPPPP!
Ask unscripted questions of the candidates.
Ban anyone from the 1970's in central america, or any of the gates from ever working for government, or contracting, or lobbying government.
Clean up the pentagon's security clearances.
clean up the fbi's security clearances.
Sibel Edmonds.
911 Building...whatever..I forget the number at the moment.
Stop the lies by countering the liars. A fib is a lie, a lie is propaganda, and that should be illegal when coming from government.
Ban microwave pain weapons. F-ing want to talk about torture?!
Snuggle with cats should be mandatory.

Back to my beers.

Palin. gimme a break.

I know as soon as I hit send I will think of 300 more things... heh heh heh

I got one other thought before the show starts. Isn't an open ended $700 billion dollar open ended money laundering nonsense or whatever ya call it, the same as getting a genie with three wishes, and on the first wish asking for unlimited wishes?

Just something to think about. Please call, fax and write congress.. YES AGAIN.

Well, then, okay... I fixed it back for you... and I am grateful you didn't think of risible...

Phil's full of beers? Oh, nooooooooo....

Present...

I hope some one started the palin LIE counter... she has no shame.

I think her talking points are in the PAIL with my puke. Or as Randi says, "Your talking points are showing"

Don't fall in the FASCIST TAX DEBATE TRAP!

Why is she dictating the direction of the conversation?

I don't know how I feel about commercial breaks in this travesty....

Stop the greed and corruption in government!!

Two channels at once, that's why I drank.

How much damn talking time does she have?!

BH! A present? For me? You shouldn't have!

No choice on the comm. breaks, 99. Sorry.

sarah slip in wall street curuption and greed whenever you can . . .

sarah be precises it's "republican corruption and greed"

Palin again!? I would tear her up in a real conversation! What is Biden just standing there?

Conversation dictated by friggin the same old talking points GAY vs Straight .

palin "some of my best freinds are _ _ _ _ " Ah huh...

This debate is rigged.

If Levi tried early withdrawal sarah would only have 4 children . . .

Um, Um

Not that I was expecting exploding cigars, but this is so...congenial. I'm getting a glare off my screen from Biden's toothy ear-to-ear. What the...? And Palin's running away with every question! Had Biden gone limp? He keeps praising McCain before he criticizes him--"I LOVE HIM, great guy, but he's wrong?" ...

I am tearing my hair out with all these good words for McWarmongeringSenileHornyCoot. Just scream out about what a worthless hypocritical wad of pond scum he is!!!!!!!!

Did u guys hear hisses after she made that crack about "Glad to hear you love Israel?" Or was that my imagination?

Did you her call him O'biden ?

Brad ~ yes

BF - Sounded like a sigh..to me.

I've heard it at least twice now.

I'm still obsessing on that bullcrap about McStinkbrain meaning the American workforce when he said the fundamentals of our economy are strong. Few have done more to turn this workforce into sniveling slaves than he. Pig Lips is as big a liar as he is. "Maverick" must now mean "baldfaced liar".

I didn't hear hisses. I'd like to have heard hisses.

I like trained seals ... throw her a fish !

but, we don't need any more trained seals in the white house. . .

I'm not sure if you guys can see this, but she keeps winking at the camera. Like big, kinky winks...she's done it twice now. Methinks I've seen that wink somewheres before...

Could it be a coached tick? Or are dumb people who run for president just "naturals" for forced and awkward social behavior?

Oh, God..."shining city on a hill" reference. It's 2008. Can't we at least get a NEW, empty beacon-of-light metaphor?

Sarah has diarrhea of the mouth. A security breach waiting to happen.

I'm nearly ready to turn this off.

Every time she opens her mouth it's a non-stop stream of neo-con talking points. I have talking point indigestion.

James Garner was a Maverick. John McCain is an elderly crooked Senator.

The pain, the pain. Make it stop...

No doubt she has the "come hither" down well

Perhaps she thinks thats how to do foreign policy . . .

I'm sure she was coached that under no circumstances should she lose the look of sparkle and ease with the audience. That would have been the prime directive. Did anybody count how many times she used the term "maverick"? Throw her a fish.

John McCain is Maverick, John McCain is Maverick,
John McCain is Maverick, John McCain is Maverick,
John McCain is Maverick, John McCain is Maverick,
John McCain is Maverick, John McCain is Maverick,
ARG...

sarah wanna cracker . . .

Did they feed Sarah gunpowder?

Jeebz, I thought she was predicable and he was ...well predicable too, but then I'm with Erma.

She really did fail abysmally, but just that she didn't flop like she did with Katie R. Murrow made it look as though she did alright. That is pathetic, but that's about the size of it.

I guess I'm glad they didn't get to have a real debate, because Biden would have slaughtered her and everyone would feel sorry for her then.

If there were ever someone we should be less inclined to feel sorry for, she's still waaaaaaay up there on that list.

I'm with Erma on third parties, that is.

After reading the squabbles I thought you might want to read this:

http://www.democracynow....e_how_the_republican_and

But hey, that's just me.

Oh Please . . . (palin) Not again!

Patterico - You are brave and noble for wading hip deep into the bile spewed, especially from that gal from manbearpig.

McSame is weak.

Ms. Wheeler - Why all the race-baiting? Did the gals at manbearpig run out of people to do in blackface?

JD's referring to the facts spewed by Marcie. It's like spewing holy water on a vampire....

If she were being judged by any normal standards other than she didn't faint it would be a clear win for Biden. She didn't give any examples to demonstrate her statements (other than her lackluster Alaska record) and couldn't stop winking, "mavericking", and soccer-momming it. I don't like having my intelligence insulted (I am an average mom too!) Thanks for your post-debate show. I couldn't take the TV coverage any longer.

I liked when Palin called Biden O'Biden

So Vice Presidential....

Why aren't all of the headlines on the "mainstream media" about how Palin proposes to follow in the footsteps of Cheney regarding expansion of powers?

Brad - Sorry for the salty language. It does not excuse the overt and dishonest race-baiting from Marcy.

Marcy - If McCain is in the bag for Freddie/Fannie, one might expect that he would have taken more money from them than Baracky. I wonder why Baracky has taken more from them than McCain.

Quite simply, Marcy and her ilk seem to be intent on calling anyone that disagrees with them racists. SHOCKA.

Palin did REALLY WELL....or Willie.......okay
Who the hell IS this guy Mr.Willie Well?

Energy? Yes call it Physics (energy)

High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program.
a question on In-HER-GEE wiz bull!
Sarah .. Brig. Gen. Thomas L. Tinsley, the commander at Elmendorf Air Force Base in Anchorage kill himself http://www.elmendorf.af....s/story.asp?id=123108918

did it have to do wiTh the EARTHQUAKE IN downtown l.a.?????

Palin's participation in the debate = "Dissinfomercial" . . .

That wasn't a wink! It was a shoutout to John McCain's spasming left eye!

So are we supposed to give Palin extra points for not passing out or fainting?

Biden was the clear winner otherwise.

I don't think we can take four more years of deregulation.

The trickle down hasn't been making it to me. I must be below the peons.

I wish they had asked Sarah if she likes those trickle down golden showers.

Thanks for bringing up the VP powers thing. I was so glad that the moderator jumped on that. And they don't want to follow the Bush legacy? Seems like she wants to step right into Cheney's shoes.

She probably wouldn't know what the trickle down theory is despite her many Reagan references.

Gotta get outta the studio!!! Thanks guys!!!

Ancient #49, you might want to read this too. Link

A interesting perspective from 12 years ago that no one heeded when the opportunity arose.

The opportunity is still there IMO.

JD said -

Brad - Sorry for the salty language. It does not excuse the overt and dishonest race-baiting from Marcy.

There was no such "race-baiting from Marcy" and you were inaccurate not only in your obnoxious ad-hominem attacks, but on your attempted assertions about her posting blackface something or other.

Marcy - If McCain is in the bag for Freddie/Fannie, one might expect that he would have taken more money from them than Baracky. I wonder why Baracky has taken more from them than McCain.

She never said "McCain is in the bag for Freddie/Fannie". Her (correct) point is that McCain has attacked Obama (using inaccurate and race-baiting ads) to suggest he's in the bag for Freddie/Fannie when McCain's own TOP advisor has taken far more money from Freddie/Fannie than anybody.

I'll make the mistake of presuming you're intellectually honest, and can go out and get your facts straight now that someone other than Fox "News" has offered you some.

Quite simply, Marcy and her ilk seem to be intent on calling anyone that disagrees with them racists. SHOCKA.

Bullshit, JD. Knock it off, or your gone. We have a policy here against knowing disinformation, and you have presented absolutely no evidence for your obnoxious and inaccurate assertion.

Thanks for having me on, Brad.

using inaccurate and race-baiting ads

I have to respectfully disagree. I don't see how it's race-baiting to point out that Raines gave advice to Obama on mortgage and housing policy matters.

JD is a spirited commenter who is exaggerating for effect when he says "Marcy and her ilk seem to be intent on calling anyone that disagrees with them racists." But an unexaggerated version of that statement --- that some on the left are to quick to make accusations of racism --- would have a kernel of truth.

Look, I understand that Raines doesn't appear to have been Obama's closest advisor. But he's a guy with baggage and connections to Obama, and the McCain campaign would be stupid not to take a shot at that.

Again, I enjoyed being on the show, and making your acquaintance.

morning....Oh my head...heh heh heh where's the soda and corn flakes?

Hold the corn flakes...

'Static Electricity' Blamed for D.C.'s Extra Votes Snafu

I am sure some real journalists can dig on this a bit better.

I can't help but think, I told ya so.. Long ago on a thread somewhere in Bradblog history...

I also wondered about the effects ESD on EVM's and guessed it was unpredictable ... Then I said to myself hold the phone If an unscrupulous poll worker or official knows the election is not going in their favor what do they have to loose by zapping the machine ...

Hey Floriodiot, that's a good article and I think I've read it before, but with both parties being controled by corporate campign financing no matter how much the people raise in membership we can never compete with their influence. Just look at the bailout bill. The first dem proposed bill was much better than the crap their going to shove down both repugs & dems throats. Now the article I linked to above talks about who's running the debates and guess what? It's big corps. When third party candidates are included the myths from just the two parties are exposed and the level of discoarse is raised. Doesn't that benefit everyone?
Democracy, its a messy business!

Oh yeah Flo, you may be surprized to know even though I'm still going to vote for Cynthia McKinny, I'm doing volunteer work for a progressive d candidate for state rep.

Yeah, Ancient the top of the ticket only matters as far as setting the agenda and veto power goes, it's the down ticket fellers that matter the most IMO. so if you want a third party, run the down ticket people. That way you infiltrate Congress without having to go through the Corporate filter.

That is what I got out of it.

Hey, did you see this over at raw?

http://www.freedom-to-ti...-voting-machine-security

You can prove that the machines don't work, you just can't make it public so policy is actually affected!

Palin struck me as this somewhat weird, nervous, intense, almost nerdy sort of character, the kind of person I haven't seen in politics. Her regional accent is bizarre. Although she performed as a debater, and she's bright in a way George Bush certainly isn't, she's such an oddball that many average americans will have difficulty connecting with her.

Patterico

that some on the left are too quick to make accusations of racism

So true. I'd go so far as to say that some of us are outright addicted to it, and it drives me nuts.

#76
... Ancient said:

I saw that, I figger Brads digits are going a mile a minute over his keyboard as we speak

Brad (et al),

Wasn't sure if you saw this yet. Apparently a judge in NJ is suppressing a report on the security and accuracy of voting machines from Sequoia.

Link to Freedom to Tinker blog

Was it something I said? Two comments have now been eaten by cyberspace when I tried to post them, the long one I wrote first, and then the short one I wrote to pose the main question in the first one. OK. Let's see if the third time is the charm. If this works, I'll try to reconstruct the rest of the first comment later when I have more strength.

Was I dreaming last night, or did I actually hear both candidates endorse full civil rights, except for marriage, for all couples regardless of gender?

Welp, thanks to those of you who wrote your rep's.

I guess the largest money laundering scheme in history just got passed. I remind you it isn't $700 billion, it open ended.

It won't fix shit. It won't restore trust in the markets mark my words.

I tried to tell you all. And the last two days I got a bunch of hell back for it.

So answer me this, if you all called your rep's on this BAILOUT CHINA bill version 1.0, why didn't you call on version 2.0?

It doesn't matter now does it. It won't be $4000 a family, it will be way worse, it will be a genie that granted unlimited wishes.

Your going to see the dollar worth half now.

The markets won't be fixed. Nor will your 401k.

It really angers me how many people stuffed what I said on Randi Rhodes msb. But you know what, that's okay, you'll learn now how wrong you were, and how serious I was. Sure I drink, sure I get wasted drunk, but it's cause I am watching my country and it's constitution go down the fucking toilet.

http://market-ticker.den...archives/2008/10/02.html

God bless you brad blog regulars.

I fucking wish we could get organized now that the truth is out and outlaw electronic voting machines and toss these fucking corrupt domestic terrorists out.

Bookmark this spot.

Peace

~phil

Hey Shorty #60, I heard tell that China is now experimenting with it too now. Supposedly their last earthquake was man made. Hard telling not knowing, but there definitely should be an international ban on HAARP weaponry and international monitors like they have for nukes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnbNm6hoBXc
To rub it in...Yeah I know you didn't trust Karl Denninger..