READER COMMENTS ON
"SCOTUS Rejects Clarence Thomas' Grudge Match"
(28 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 12/9/2008 @ 4:22 am PT...
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 12/9/2008 @ 5:15 am PT...
Well said, Jill C.
This idiocy regarding Obama, that I guess the first astute commenter above cut-and-pasted from one his/her propaganda sources, does not even qualify for Cheney's One Percent Solution. Do the Obama-deniers realize that they are convincing others only of their detachment from reality?
[ed note: Sorry, rollo, the spam filter is losing its marbles and you got thrown in the hooscow with the pill peddlers. --99]
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 12/9/2008 @ 7:09 am PT...
Even a white boy from a small town upstate NY can smell the stink of Racism surrounding this birth certificate issue.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 12/9/2008 @ 7:38 am PT...
It's the Conservative Sky Fairy people like #1 that are ruining this planet, I'm sick of them!!!
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 12/9/2008 @ 7:50 am PT...
To characterize Donofrio's lawsuit as "lunatic right" is silly and misleading. He's challenging both candidates - a fact which you conveniently hide until you're almost done whining. This is like everything else - if there's evidence, let's hear it, and if its poor evidence, let these people humiliate themselves so we don't have to deal with them again in the next election.
But don't go telling us what to think about it.
I agree with JEA in that we're talking about the office of President here! There needs to be no doubt about the legitimacy or trustworthiness of the person who holds that office.
And how is this racism? The dude is suing both men - one is white, and one is not. There has been plenty of racism throughout the Presidential contest for sure. A lawsuit against both men does not support that accusation, though.
Obama could show how great a leader he is, simultaneously saving the Supreme Court's time and putting the plaintiffs in their place by producing the appropriate documentation in a bi-partisan (if you still believe we have a two-party system) forum. His silence in such a simple issue is unreasonable.
Donofrio has just as much right to sue the Presidential candidates as you do to whine about it. And maybe, because of Clarence Thomas, we'll know soon whether to ignore just your rants, or yours AND Donofrio's.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 12/9/2008 @ 8:15 am PT...
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
* Anyone born inside the United States
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 12/9/2008 @ 8:18 am PT...
Although I did not vote for Mr. Obama, because not one of his issue is agreeable to me, I will accept him as my president by honoring my trust. Mr. Obama believes that he can win in the courts and that his extreme arrogance will "shoo-away' any nagging flies that may come his way. The problem he has in with the American people who think and read and keep up with the issues...what is called, "The Real America". I completely agree with JEA's comments. Mr. Obama only needs to be up front with us and we will accept him in our office of President, otherwise, it will be as if he does not exist. As with the Senate, in 1998, the Supreme Court lacked the courage to accept Mr. Donofrio's charge that Mr. Obama is not eligible to become President in an effort to have Mr. Obama produce a document that each of us needs to get a Social Security Card, a drivers license, and in some cases a loan from a bank. My fervent prayer is that the TRUTH will come into the light for all to see. I close with this thought: Mr. Obama only does things that will result in political expediancy...he is a cold and calculating operator...we have learned through investigators (Thank You Lord for the Internet...curse you Main Stream Media) many of the "mentors" of Mr. Obama and also his philosophical views...the only thing that Mr. Obama does not realize is that this country is bigger than he is and the minute he turns in the direction that he has wanted to move this country the call of "impeachment" will go up and he will be recalled. At this point in time, the electors have a sacred trust to uphold...I will be praying for them...Amen.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 12/9/2008 @ 8:34 am PT...
The documents have been produced... and reviewed in person by various authorities... and the far-right wingnuts still howled.
And the far-right wingnuts still howl, even in these comments, each demanding the impossibility of a genuine Obama birth certificate of their own for each one of them to scrutinize obsessively.
And the far-right wingnuts will still be howling no matter how many tons of evidence are produced.
The far-right wingnuts will still be howling as Obama is inaugurated.
And the far-right wingnuts will still be howling as Obama fails to vanish in a puff of brimstone-flavored smoke upon placing his hand on the bible.
And the far-right wingnuts will still be howling after Obama fails to immediately bomb the Pentagon.
And the far-right wingnuts will still be howling as the rethugs impeach him for something-or-the-other two seconds after his ass hits the chair in the Oval Office.
And the far-right wingnuts won't stop howling... ever.
Why do they howl? Because if they stop howling for even a moment they'll have to listen to themselves trying to think... and that hurts too much for them to even contemplate.
Obama represents a problem, coming to power at this particular time of multiple global crises... but the problem is not his race or his religion or his citizenship.
The problem is that he's been shaped by a Democratic party that was beaten near-senseless by the corporations and their rethug tools... to the point where what is now called "centrist" was once called "Republican"... and he's most probably not the leaader that's needed now. I'd like to be proven wrong in that, but it seems unlikely.
But he is a natural-born citizen, and he will be President of the United States, and the alternative was the carefully-presented catastrophe of McCaine-Palin.
And that is all.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 12/9/2008 @ 8:39 am PT...
Commenter #1 up there sounds so reasonable in a way. Just let us see it, and all will be well. But no matter what Obama produced, even if it was certified by God Himself, would only somehow prove that the conspiracy goes even deeper. Responding will not make them go away. Not responding won't either, unfortunately. These people are going to be the barnacles on the ship of state until they take their medication or another Republican is installed. At least it will keep them occupied and even further marginalized.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 12/9/2008 @ 9:25 am PT...
This whole issue is just plain stupid. His mother was American. Done. Defined. Now STFU.
Here, on the other hand, is a serious issue that will make Obama look pretty bad, regardless of whether he has anything to do with it (he doesn't.) Two steps forward, one step back. Blagojevich is a jackass and I hope he does some serious time.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 12/9/2008 @ 9:36 am PT...
That was a Bank of America hit job there Soul
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 12/9/2008 @ 9:39 am PT...
...or did you forget what happened to Spitzer?
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 12/9/2008 @ 9:57 am PT...
Jill C., Zapkitty, et al, are right --- there is absolutely nothing that will satisfy or convince those who desperately cling to the debunked "Obama birth certificate" insanity. At first it was just sad, but now the whole effort is increasingly funny and entertaining.
But it's illuminating to see just who bravely eschews all evidence to the contrary to pursue their patriotic duty --- not least of which, as Jill C. points out in the blog item above, is Clarence Thomas, Supreme Court Justice for life.
Hey, "Obama Birth Certificate Truthers": why is the evidence presented in the following links (and elsewhere, ad nauseum) insufficient for your needs? What would be sufficient evidence, in your eyes? What is it you believe reallllllly happpennnnnnned?!?!?!1! And specifically for JEA at #1, at what point does carrying on this birth certificate witch hunt in the face of much evidence to the contrary cross over to bearing false witness?
Obama's Birth Certificate Verified By State
HONOLULU --- The state's Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.
The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961...
Obama birth certificate truthers need to get deeply involved in the Republican Party and infiltrate at all levels, because only then can the GOP fully investigate this mystery, and only through a GOP investigation can the findings be legitimate. The truth is out there and you must find it!!!!!1!!!!!
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 12/9/2008 @ 10:11 am PT...
Are you talking about a setup? Explain. How does it tie to Spitzer, I obviously missed something.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 12/9/2008 @ 10:23 am PT...
Flo - OK, I see the tie to the worker sit-in with Republic Windows and Doors...but the article says Blagojevich has been investigated for 3 years - so where is the evidence for a setup by BoA? And I also read the stories about how Spitzer was behind fining BoA 675million over illegal trading.
However, how does that justify either Spitzer's actions, or Blagojevich's statements?
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 12/9/2008 @ 10:42 am PT...
Nah, they use the dirty stuff that most every politician does and wait til they get out of line.
They're only "in" as long as they stay in line I should say.
Funny it's been only Dems having the bomb dropped on them when we know the Repugnants have way more soiled laundry...Whos DOJ is this? nevermind
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 12/9/2008 @ 11:34 am PT...
According to Blue Gal over at C&L, his own staff turned him...he was that bad, a (P)rick Perry-Tx type.
Now back to the nutters
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 12/9/2008 @ 11:41 am PT...
Flo - I guess the reality is that the adage about politicians is true - they're all crooks and liars to some degree, and power corrupts. This is why we have to demand accountability from Democrats as well as Republicans. How can we demand this accountability from people like Pelosi and Obama when they are all tied into the corporate machine? Without popular revolution, I think we are generally screwed. I was actually hoping for complete economic collapse, destruction of the status quo, at least then we can rebuild in a way that identifies and rejects the elements of the current economic and political structures that are patently undemocratic and oppressive.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 12/9/2008 @ 12:08 pm PT...
I wouldn't raise the issue or religion, except that JEA already did.
JEA argues just like so many others who claim that "the world is only 6,000 years old," and when you point them to SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE of objects considerably older than that, they explain that "God PUT those objects there."
This type of circular logic is scary.
All I would tell the Rethuglican and theocratic nutjobs out there about Obama is "don't worry!" He's not going to be nearly as liberal as you were scared into thinking he would be. He's corporate-bought and paid for, just like the rest of them.
[ed note: Well, I deleted JEA's comment because it was all over the internet, and I'm sorry it took me so long, but I really needed a nice extended sleep an so I did. --99]
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 12/9/2008 @ 12:27 pm PT...
Both candidates were born to U.S. citizens. Ergo, it doesn't matter WHERE they were born. If Obama's mom had not been a citizen, then, fine, the question of his actual birthplace is salient, but she was, so stow it.
I'd have loved to jump all over a technicality with McSenile's birth in Panama, but his parents were citizens. He's a goddam natural born citizen, just as Obama would still be had he been born out of the country. The fact that both he and Hawaii have been insisting he was born here doesn't seem to penetrate, but, since his mother was a citizen, that means he could have been born on the moon and he's still eligible to be president.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2008 @ 4:14 am PT...
Tell your Mr. Obamma just to proove what they are saying is wrong and every one will go away.There is a reason that he is hiding info and every one knows it.He sure is showing is trust isn`t he? He just doesn`t have a birth cirtificate like every one else in this country.THE TRUTH SHALL SET HIM FREE.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2008 @ 4:28 am PT...
... gaetano said...
(snip endlessly repeated falsehood)
The documents were produced... and the far-right wingnuts still howl.
Classic movie time:
"Children of the Right... SHUT UP."
Free carbon dating for anyone who can source the paraphrased quote...
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2008 @ 7:12 am PT...
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2008 @ 9:02 am PT...
The purpose of this kind of thing is to control the news agenda, to keep us all from moving on to topics that would otherwise be even more damaging to the Republicans. The Grumpy Old People party is great at this. After all, it's what they have to be good at, since reality doesn't really work for them. This is just a source of smoke, and to deal with it at all just sucks you into their movie, crediting them, debating them, discussing them.
It's like those the kind of "computer virus" where someone sends gets an email warning them that they may have been infected by a virus, and the way to tell is to go and look to see if a certain file is present. If it is, then they have already been infected, and they should first send email to all of their friends that they may also have been compromised, and then remove the file. Of course it's the email itself that IS the virus, and removing the file harms your system making it hard to get back on the internet at all. My brother fell for that one. He probably heard from about 50 friends advising him that he was stupid, etc. The damage done was mostly in the amount of time that was spent by everyone explaining the thing, etc.
Let's not get so taken up with these mosquitoes that we lose our focus on draining the swamp.
As soon as this one dies down, there will be something else. Count on it. Roll your eyes, shake your head, and post about something else.
Like for example:
Yesterday evening on NPR they reported about Don Siegelman, and ended by saying that the Bush administration had asked the Justice Department to investigate the situation. And then they dropped it, without the slightest hint that this was the most incredibly ironic bomb that had just been dropped. Anyone who is not already up to speed on all of it would thing, oh, good, they'll be getting to the bottom of that, nothing to see here... We might talk about this for instance.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2008 @ 10:16 am PT...
Wingnuts howl because wingnuts are
just wanna'-be dogs.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2008 @ 10:37 am PT...
"Children of the Right... SHUT UP."
Ah, the George Hamilton Dracula movie, "Love at First bite" (1979)
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2008 @ 12:13 pm PT...
I just remember what all the republicans said after the 2000 appointment of Bush 'Get over it!' Well it seems to me that it is now their turn to 'Get over it!'
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2008 @ 9:59 pm PT...
Clarence Thomas being the droid that he is for the GOP; must have some skeletons in his closet since his appointment to the Supreme Court. I always believed that the only reason that nothing has surfaced was because of the tide.
Now that the pendulum has swung, I wonder if revelations of any sorts may begin to surface.