READER COMMENTS ON
"Diebold Admits Audit Logs in ALL Versions of Their Software Fail to Record Ballot Deletions"
(33 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 3/18/2009 @ 1:24 am PT...
Brad, have you seen this? New evidence in Ray Lemme's case?
[Ed Note: That comes from Wayne Madsen, Carol. He's a paranoid, anti-Semitic, fraudster who makes things up. Suffice to say, barring the production of any actual independently verifiable evidence from him, his claims on that (or anything for that matter) are anything but legit. Sorry. - BF]
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 3/18/2009 @ 3:58 am PT...
Carol, AIG is a Government funded protection racket for the States smaller work comp carriers.
Has been since its inception to protect the smaller insurance companies and employers liabilities by illegally screwing over the injured worker and actually hiding records of said injured so they cannot see what's wrong with themselves.
But its not illegal if the Government does it, right?
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 3/18/2009 @ 6:08 am PT...
I'm sure Coleman's people are very happy to hear this.
Can you say 'revote'?
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 3/18/2009 @ 7:48 am PT...
... Tim Foil said...
"I'm sure Coleman's people are very happy to hear this.
Can you say 'revote'?"
Actually, if this news was to be taken into consideration by the courts it would pretty much kill Coleman's chance of a revote... because his purported reason for the revote is that the hand recount disagrees with the original machine counts and that the court did not defer to the machines.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 3/18/2009 @ 9:25 am PT...
So if someone wanted to design and build a voting system expressly for the purpose of voter fraud.....then diebold hit the jackpot!
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 3/18/2009 @ 9:48 am PT...
... D Dearborn said...
"So if someone wanted to design and build a voting system expressly for the purpose of voter fraud.....then diebold hit the jackpot!"
Correction: Electoral fraud.
The term used does matter because of the status of "voter fraud" as the (actually almost non-existent) Republican bogeyman of voters committing fraud.
This stuff, electoral fraud, is a case of the voters being defrauded. And it's been happening a lot since these machines appeared.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 3/18/2009 @ 11:23 am PT...
I provided the similar information to SOS Bowen's office -with examples and attorney certified notification that the San diego ROV did not test all the machines and memory cards as per the 'Procedures for Usage'- via an 'election complaint' with documented proof of the GEMS audit log discrepancies and Bowen's SOS office did nothing but send Evan Goldberg down to schmooze the ROV and send me a letter suggesting I read the 'Procedures for Use'.
Even after writing -pleading with- Lowell Finley to get the audit logs I was referencing, NOTHING was done.
EXCEPT to no longer publish the 'Procedures for Use' on the SOS website.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 3/18/2009 @ 11:26 am PT...
Oh, I forgot to mention that the actions taken by myself were in 2006.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 3/18/2009 @ 11:43 am PT...
...yet no raids on diebold's offices, per nevada ACORN, for possible voter fraud/tampering ???
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 3/18/2009 @ 11:52 am PT...
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 3/18/2009 @ 11:54 am PT...
Anyone know of any first world Democracies that aren't cocked full of vile leaders that use paper ballots that I can move to?
I've been thinking New Zealand.. but I'm not sure yet. I was tossing around Iceland, but then they collapsed their economy because they were too tied to our corrupted American Banking System.
I just don't hold a hope that enough citizens are smart enough, or care enough, to do anything about this. Even in highly educated people, I'm finding a disturbing lack of ability and willingness to think and discuss. Just too many people and too much noise.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 3/18/2009 @ 1:07 pm PT...
NZ is great but don't plan on staying there longer than about 6 months. It is very hard to get any residency status. The country is beautiful and I can't blame them for wanting to keep expats out.
Try Belize or Costa Rica. Belize is my choice.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 3/18/2009 @ 1:22 pm PT...
Belize would be my choice too if it were not so hot and humid that it saps every ounce of one's strength if one fails to consume less than five gallons of water a day.
They say it is different out on the Cayes, but I've only been on the mainland, mostly Punta Gorda. Belize City, unless they've finally done something about it, has an open canal sewage system that like to incinerate your nostril hairs, dudes, so you want to avoid that action to the greatest extent possible.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 3/18/2009 @ 2:16 pm PT...
Not sure I want to be in Central America, though.. Hot, humid, poor, and right in the middle of a zone that when Global Warming is ramping up to full speed, is going to start to wither.
NZ has the same population density as Belize but has a much more first world feel to it overall (or so it seems from what I've found so far).
Sure, one could live in Belize on a pittance, but how long before that place isn't all that great to be around? How long before it is square in the middle of land wars, water wars, food wars, etc.. NZ is pretty isolated, I like that.
I want to "get away", not disappear
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 3/18/2009 @ 4:37 pm PT...
Savanster try NZ ,its my new home for the last 25 years .I don't think you will have a problem with getting residency status.I think you have IT skills ,yes?
Great place to bring up kids ...my three are world shakers and all in top 1 % academically world wide.All three currently at University .Insulated against the crap that hitting the northern hemisphere as a result of a multi term labour government (recently changed).
We have amazing world class industries ,I work with Superconductors ,our company is number one in the world.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 3/18/2009 @ 4:44 pm PT...
We wouldn't know about this at all if not for the Internet revolution. The stealing of every election since 2000 has not gone unnoticed by millions of concerned citizens in the US, and not thanks to network television. This will continue to have an effect on the future honesty of elections, government, and the media itself. I knew about the delete-easy audit logs in Diebold equipment since Bev Harris put up blackboxvoting.com back in 2000.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
karen from illinois
said on 3/18/2009 @ 4:54 pm PT...
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i copied the above info from the gbs website...it is the central tabulation system my county uses after they use the diebold counters @ the precincts,,,does anyone have info on them?
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 3/18/2009 @ 6:47 pm PT...
The CEO of Diebold was a Republican who promised Bush a win.
Now we know why .
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
Steve and Jock
said on 3/18/2009 @ 7:20 pm PT...
Canada. Speaks English (mostly), votes on paper with pencil. Currently vile leader making serious ass of himself and will be voted out the moment Canadians find someone they can agree is less vile.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 3/18/2009 @ 10:35 pm PT...
What is needed to put Premier Election Systems/Diebold out of business? Their corporate charter must be revoked.
I would be willing to join in a class action suit in federal court against them. Lawyers?
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 3/19/2009 @ 12:51 am PT...
What Bruce (# 7) discovered after the 2006 election was a deletion of a specific entry that was proving problematic for the county. In the original audit log he obtained through a PRA the entry was present, showing the central server connecting to a server in Washington State. When he raised the alarm with the SoS staff they obtained another copy of the audit log, and the entry was no longer there.
That means that not only can the audit logs be deleted as a whole, they also can have selected entries deleted. Bev Harris has been reporting the ability of the GEMS logs to be edited (including individual deletions, altering of the date and/ or time, etc.)
None of this is new information. These alarms have been sounding for years now.
These voting systems have never met the requirements of California's Election Code, and the Secretary's own Top-to-Bottom review proved that. Yet they keep being used, the companies are given more "chances", and the Secretary does not fulfill her Constitutional duty; to ensure that the voting systems meet the requirements of federal and state laws, including the adopted federal standards, and are safe from fraud and manipulation.
It is not an acceptable position taken by the Secretary that the companies only be required to report their problems. Corporate America has never been known to comply willingly or in practice with self-policing.
They have knowingly sold defective products that were not designed for the purpose for which they were sold, saddled the taxpayer with the costs for constant upgrading and maintenance on these defective products, and knowingly incorporated "features" into these voting systems to allow the willful and untraceable manipulation of elections.
It is 20 months until the next major federal elections. It is time to de-certify all the current electronic voting systems, both DRE and optical scan, and the central election management systems that run them, and sue the manufacturers for misrepresentation and fraud.
It is time that Secretary Bowen enforced the Election Code, and uphold the California constitutional requirement that every voters' vote shall be counted.
She has the evidence, she has the authority, and she has the duty! Does she have the political courage?
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 3/19/2009 @ 3:31 am PT...
This is probably new evidence that Al Gore should have become President in 2000. Then, perhaps, no 9 11, surely no ban on stem cell research, a much healthier U.S. economy and no war on Irak.
Those Diebold machines (so much used in FL or TX) are indeed devilish.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 3/19/2009 @ 7:49 am PT...
"In addition, the software was discovered to have a "Clear" button which, when pressed, would actually delete the contents of an audit log without even asking for confirmation from the user. That, despite repeated federal and state testing and certification of the software which failed to notice the egregious programming flaws in violation of federal voting system standards requiring indestructible logs to track all system events. The flaws should have kept the systems from receiving certification at all." ... how did we end up using this crap?!@ We had two stolen elections and one that was such a massive landslide that even voter fraud on the part of DieBold couldn't stem the tide ... this needs to be fixed long before the next Congressional election in 2010, and that will only happen if stories like this continue to be pushed to the top of discussion ...
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 3/19/2009 @ 8:13 am PT...
POOR Mike Connell .
He could have BLOW the LID off this .
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 3/19/2009 @ 8:24 am PT...
Do you have any evidence for calling Madsen an anti-semitic fraudster Brad? Or are you just referring to the kind of anti-semitic that thinks maybe we shouldn't have Israeli spies pulling strings throughout our government? Once again I find myself disappointed in this blogs descent into perception control. It seems that questioning Israel is becoming taboo on the left, that there are two choices for a progressive in regards to Israel: unquestioning loyalty or...being a horrible anti-semite that wants to see all jews gassed.
By what you report on Brad it seems your happily in the former camp, or is it just a coincidence you miss stories like these:
Quit holding your hat in front of the camera Brad.
Oh, and by the way if you get a chance, you should watch Jon Stewart's interview with Nandan Nilekani, the Bill Gates of India. If you watch closely you'll notice Stewart NOT BLINKING A FUCKING EYE when Nilekani says that India's democracy is sound, modern, and reliable because they use ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES. I guess it doesn't matter how Israel gets India's support against Pakistan so long as they get it amirite? At least that's my suspicion...I do so hope it's not anti-semitic.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 3/19/2009 @ 12:28 pm PT...
Thanks Jody(#21) but if the SOS staff EVER got a copy of the audit log they didn't tell me NOR did they contact ANY of the witnesses associated with other infractions of the Election Code or Procedures for Use NOR did Bowen's office EVER contact the attorney who witnessed the confession by the SD ROV IT head that he didn't test all the machines and memory cards as proscribed by the Procedures.
And the SD ROV gave differing stories about the entry that appeared to be a connection to WA State's Diebold(Premier) offices. One story was that the ROV staff was running a program(running a program in the GEMS DB after starting the tabulation process?); another was that they gave me -per the public records request- NOT the audit log itself but a 'transcripted' version; another was that the audit log entry was a user -ROV staff- signon to the DB.
And it should also be mentioned that all documents went thru the San Diego County Counsel who -when the discrepancies were pointed out- that what I received from the public records request WAS -in fact- the GEMS audit log, thereby making the ROV personnel liars to the SOS.
And I haven't mentioned the fact that the reconciliation documents had multiple errors in them.
So people, it's just not the machines or the SOS office-except for the SOS office being more concerned with appeasing election officials than doing what's right by citizen's- but the whole 'election complex',including the EAC and Congress.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 3/19/2009 @ 1:16 pm PT...
Did I miss Brad calling Madsen names? While, personally, I have never felt Madsen is a reliable enough source, I don't recall seeing anyone calling him "an anti-semitic fraudster".... Did I miss something? Did I forget something? That doesn't sound at all like His Bradness to me, Gos.
I question Israel and the Israel Lobby all the time and he's never called me "an anti-semitic fraudster", never.
Is this even on topic? Did I miss something in the post?
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 3/19/2009 @ 2:16 pm PT...
Uh, 99... Brad replied inline, editor-style, to Carol's comment so you have the following by Brad in comment #1:
"That comes from Wayne Madsen, Carol. He's a paranoid, anti-Semitic, fraudster who makes things up"
So a response to that is indeed appropriate.
Further this affiant sayeth naught
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 3/19/2009 @ 3:29 pm PT...
Thank you, Zap. I totally missed that. Didn't even think to scan through the comments again for such an outburst. Obviously, he snuck it in behind my back, the churlish so and so. So, I guess he has an even lower opinion of Madsen than many... and ain't afraid of expressing it.
Anyway, Gos, notwithstanding Brad's expressed opinion which you correctly cited, I don't think he makes a habit of calling questioners of Israeli or Israel-related policies "anti-semitic" --- in fact, I know he doesn't, because he's heard me yelling to move Israel to the South Pole over the latest Gaza extermination campaign --- and since I don't read Madsen, I can't say if I agree with Brad's assessment there, but I do agree that people ought always to independently verify whatever they get from Madsen, because I have had several people cite stuff of his to me that turned out to be balderdash.
If you want to duck around in the archives from the Summer of 2006, when Israel was bombing the snot out of Lebanon, I think you will see very plainly that Brad does not go off accusing people of anti-Semitism for hotly wishing the State of Israel would stop slaughtering people wholesale instead of conforming with UN resolutions and peace agreements and, well, just basic decent global citizenship. There is a difference between reviling the warmongering of Israel and its supporters, and reviling, blanketly, Jews, or suspecting anyone of perfidies uncountable simply because they are Jewish.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 3/21/2009 @ 2:32 pm PT...
ref "...but I do agree that people ought always to independently verify whatever they get from Madsen, because I have had several people cite stuff of his to me that turned out to be balderdash."
please furnish specific examples.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 3/21/2009 @ 3:10 pm PT...
No, Mobert, I have no wish to review the last few years' worth of comments for the specifics. If you want to believe everything Madsen says, go right ahead.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 3/22/2009 @ 7:13 am PT...
the worst part is NOBODY CARES except us.
went to my local south bend tribune message board and got no real response. even tried to get the right wingers into it by claiming obama's landslide win was suspect. those who were aware of this said it was old news. nothing to see here. its so sad.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 3/22/2009 @ 7:54 am PT...
Allow yourself ten minuts to be discouraged, and then find out if Diebold GEMS is in use in your jurisdiction. If it is, why not go to your newspaper and/or registrar, and request that all elections conducted using GEMS be recounted by hand, at Diebold's expense. If you've had any elections decided by small margins, find the defeated candidate and talk with them.
There will be a lot of laughter and "no way"'s, but sooner or later you'll hit someone who is both wide awake and interested.