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BLOGGED BY Brad Friedman ON 12/6/2004 10:57AM  
CLAIM: Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL) Asked Company to Create E-Vote Fraud Software!
*** A BRAD BLOG EXCLUSIVE! PLEASE CREDIT! ***

In stunning revelations set to rock the vote from Tallahassee to Capitol Hill --- and perhaps even a bit further up Pennsylvania Avenue --- a Florida computer programmer has now made remarkable claims in a detailed sworn affidavit, signed this morning and obtained exclusively by The BRAD BLOG!

- Affidavit in .PDF format -

The programmer claims that he designed and built a "vote rigging" software program at the behest of then Florida Congressman, now U.S. Congressman, Republican Tom Feeney of Florida's 24th Congressional District.

Clint Curtis, 46, claims that he built the software for Feeney in 2000 while working at a sofware design and engineering company in Oviedo, Florida (Feeney's home district).

Curtis, in his affidavit, says that as technical advisor and programmer at Yang Enterprises, Inc. (YEI) he was present at company meetings where Feeney was present "on at least a dozen occasions".

Feeney, who had run in 1994 as Jeb Bush's running-mate in his initial unsuccessful bid for Florida Governor, was serving as both corporate counsel and registered lobbyist for YEI during the period that Curtis worked at the company. Feeney was also concurrently serving as a Florida state congressman while performing those services for YEI. Feeney would eventually become Speaker of the Florida House before being elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 2002. He is now a member of the U.S. House Judiciary Committee.

At an October 2000 meeting with Feeney, according to the affidavit and BRAD BLOG interviews with Curtis over the past three days, Feeney inquired whether the company could build a "vote fraud software prototype".

At least three YEI employees are said to have been present at that meeting; Curtis, company owner, Mrs. Li Woan Yang, and her executive secretary, Mike Cohen. Two other YEI employees may have come in and out at different points of the meeting according to Curtis.

Curtis says that Feeney "was very specific in the design and specifications required for this program."

"He detailed, in his own words, that; (a) the program needed to be touch-screen capable (b) the user should be able to trigger the program without any additional equipment (c) the programming to accomplish this needed to stay hidden even if the source code was inspected."

Though there was no problem with the first two requirements, Curtis explained to the Congressman that it would be "virtually impossible to hide such code written to change the voting results if anyone is able to review the uncompiled source code"

Nonetheless, he was asked at the meeting by Mrs. Yang to build the prototype anyway.

Curtis, "a life-long Republican" at the time, claims that it was his initial belief that Feeney's interest was in trying to stop Democrats from using "such a program to steal an election". Curtis had assumed that Feeney, "wanted to be able to detect and prevent that if it occurred."

Upon delivery of the software design and documentation on CD to Mrs. Yang, Curtis again explained to her that it would be impossible to hide routines created to manipulate the vote if anybody would be able to inspect the precompiled source code.

Mrs. Yang then told him, "You don't understand, in order to get the contract we have to hide the manipulation in the source code. This program is needed to control the vote in South Florida." [emphasis in affidavit]

Mrs. Yang then took the CD containing the software from Curtis, reportedly for later delivery to Feeney.

In other meetings with Feeny prior to the 2000 elections, it became clear to Curtis that Feeney had plans to suppress the vote in strong Democratic precincts. In the affidavit, Curtis claims that in those meetings Feeney had "bragged that he had already implemented 'exclusion lists' to reduce the 'black vote'." Feeney also mentioned that "proper placement of police patrols could further reduce the black vote by as much as 25%."

Curtis says that he submitted his resignation to YEI effective December 2000, but stayed on until they had found someone to replace him in February of 2001. He eventually became employed by the Florida Dept. of Transportation (FDOT) after leaving YEI.

But the scandals didn't stop there.

In May of 2001, while at FDOT, Curtis and another FDOT employee, Mavis Georgalis, discovered and then reported several allegations to the Inspector General at FDOT concerning over-billing by YEI --- who had been an FDOT contractor --- and software that was never delivered by the company. Allegations also included the employment of a suspected illegal alien, Mr. Hai Lin Nee, who worked as YEI's "quality control" manager.

Both Curtis and Georgalis were reportedly harassed after filing their complaints about malfeasance at YEI and pressure mounted on the FDOT --- purportedly from the powerful Feeney who was still working with YEI --- to have them both fired.

In November 2001, after Curtis filed his complaints at FDOT, both he and Georgalis' were subsequently sued by YEI "in retaliation" for their complaints against the company. The charge was "theft of intellectual property", which Curtis has catagorized as "ridiculous" in interviews, because the "intellectual property" in question was, in fact, software that FDOT had long ago paid YEI to develop for them.

YEI was represented in the lawsuit by Congressman Feeney's law firm.

When the two had sought help from FDOT in fighting YEI's suit against them, they were told that FDOT couldn't help them because FDOT had not been named in the suit.

After several rounds of court battles, Georgalis was finally successful in having FDOT added to the suit as a third co-defendant. The suit was originally filed in Seminole County, but moved to Leon County upon the addition of FDOT.

In April of 2002 --- on the very same day --- Curtis and Georgalis were both fired by FDOT without explanation.

The Daytona Beach News-Journal reported extensively in 2002 on the case. They reported at the time that Curtis had written to the Inspector General at FDOT to inquire why no investigation had yet been made into YEI. As well, Curtis had contacted the Florida Bar, since Feeney was a member, to inform them that "Feeney has used his position to promote the profits of Yang Enterprises, from whom he received compensation under the guise of lobbyist and attorney."

According to The Orlando Sentinel in 2001, of 160 Florida congressmen, Feeney was the only known registered lobbyist. He would later be cleared of all ethics violations brought against him in the Florida house on these matters by the Ethics Committee which included four Republicans appointed to the committee by Feeney. Curtis was never interviewed by the Ethics Committee concerning his allegations.

After Curtis and Georgalis were fired by FDOT, each attempted to file "Whistleblower Suits" in the state of Florida. Georgalis' suit was successful and FDOT was eventually ordered, after lengthy court battles, to reinstate her with full back-pay by the circuit court. Curtis' suit was not successful due to having missed the filing deadline for the suit.

That suit, filed over three years ago, is still pending. The reason, explained Curtis, is that YEI has since avoided all defendants attempts to depose company employees in the case.

By May of 2002, the FDOT had finally taken up the investigation into malfeasance by YEI.

In one particularly chilling paragraph in the affidavit, Curtis explains what became of Raymond Lemme, the inspector at FDOT who was said to be pursing the allegations against YEI, Tom Feeney and the other reported matters:

"[I]n June of 2003, he told me that he had tracked the corruption 'all the way to the top' and that the story would break in the next few weeks and I would be satisfied with the results. A few weeks later, on July 1st, Mr. Lemme was found dead with his arm slashed in a hotel room in Valdosta, Georgia."

The death was ruled a suicide by the Valdosta Police. The BRAD BLOG has obtained and is currently reviewing many official documents related to Mr. Lemme's death.

Mr. Hai Lin Nee, "the ilegal alien" who had worked at YEI and was reported by Curtis, was arrested in March of 2004 on espionage charges which included "shipping radar guidance system chips for Hellfire Anti-Tank Missiles to a company in Communist China."

Curtis discussed in detail, during our interviews, Mr. Nee having placed "wiretapping modules" into software code created by the company. The secret "wiretapping modules", Curtis claims, were to download information from programs built by YEI for contractors, and then either copy or send that information via Email back to YEI. Such software, Curtis claims, was created for companies such as NASA with whom YEI held substantial contracts.

According to both the Curtis affidavit and email dated November 22, 2004 obtained by The BRAD BLOG, YEI is currently under investigation by the FBI.

That information was sent to Curtis after he had attempted on several occassions to notify law enforcement authorities of his seemingly remarkable story of espionage, possible vote tampering and other ethical concerns.

In July of this year, in an email we've reviewed which purports to be from a current YEI employee whose name we are withholding, Curtis was sent the following message in regard to a book that the employee had learned Curtis was working on:

They know about the book. You should not have sent it to a bush supporter. They are going crazy...like they weren't after you already.

So I get to warn you AGAIN. They will do everything thwey [sic] can to keep it from getting published. They are also going to try to take you out again. Don't be alone. They specifically want to limit casualities to just you. As long as they can't catch you alone they won't touch you. You are such a loser........

Moi

In what he describes as "an attempt to get this story out there", Curtis told part of the tale on a website, www.justaflyonthewall.com where he has changed the names of some of the specific parties involved. (e.g. "Wong" is substituted for "Yang" on the site)

Additional charges by Curtis also include that databases and information were routinely sent by Mrs. Yang to her brother in China who, Yang had told Curtis on one occasion, had previously been deported for "being a spy". The BRAD BLOG has not yet been able to confirm the espionage charges concerning Mrs. Yang's brother.

Curtis' affidavit is being turned over this afternoon to staffers at the U.S. House Judiciary Committee. An investigation into Curtis' story is pending.

While we've been working on this story for several days in order to get it right, we had hoped to hold it a bit longer to confirm a few more of the details. As well, we had hoped to allow the Judiciary Committee and others time to comment before making this story widely available.

However, as of late Sunday night, Curtis' story has been reported elsewhere on the Internet by Wayne Madsen. His detailed account references an older, very short affidavit that Curtis had made in regards to the information contained in a self-published book on some of these matters.

While Madsen's article was independently researched and reported --- and offers some very good detail in relation to Curtis, YEI, FDOT and Feeney, much of which that we can confirm --- he then ties those stories to a much grander CIA/Bush family conspiracy.

While we have looked somewhat cursorily over the last several weeks into some of the larger matters which Madsen discusses, and has been reporting on for some time, we cannot confirm any of those grander details as playing any part in this particular story. While his claims may be true, The BRAD BLOG has seen no evidence to support them as being related to the Curtis story at this time.

Frankly, we find the information related in Curtis' sworn affidavit, and via our interviews with him and others directly related to his story to be rather stunning as is, and we will stand by our reporting of those matters at this time.

Given the importance of the many allegations in his story if they are true --- and we have so far been unable to identify any major holes or discrepancies in his information --- we thought it necessary to release the full details contained in this sworn affidavit immediately so that Curtis' story and the explosive allegations contained therein could be more accurately assessed.

DEVELOPING...HARD...

UPDATE: For a great deal of follow-up info on this story, please see BRAD BLOG TOO which we've had to set up for now as a supplemental site while we arrange for the bandwidth required on this site to continue reporting the story here! Due to the heavy traffic, I am largely unable to access this site to post to it, until we can up the bandwidth here. Sorry for the inconvenience...

Brad Friedman is a freelance writer, investigative blogger, software designer and all around trouble maker. He broke the story of the "White House Website Scrubbing" amongst other stories, and has been closely following the story of "GRAND THEFT AMERICA" since Election Day at his site, The BRAD BLOG, which can be read --- when it's not being overwhelmed by traffic --- at http://www.BradBlog.com

For more info on The BRAD BLOG's continuing investigative series on
The Clint Curtis/Tom Feeney/Yang Enterprises Vote-Rigging Scandal series, please see:
- A Quick Summary of the story so far. -
- An Index of all the Key Articles & Evidence in the series so far.
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READER COMMENTS ON
"WHISTLEBLOWER AFFIDAVIT: Programmer Built Vote Rigging Prototype at Republican Congressman's Request!"
(91 Responses so far...)

COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
... gassed said on 12/6/2004 @ 11:20 am PT...


Nice work. Lets all pray that this stuff goes mach 5.


COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
... BobbyinPortland said on 12/6/2004 @ 11:31 am PT...


That is AMAZING!!! I hope that this is the smoking gun that we need to prove how low these people will go.


COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
... Psyop Samurai said on 12/6/2004 @ 11:45 am PT...


You rule, Brad!!! Keep it comin'! :hehe:


COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
... Mixter said on 12/6/2004 @ 11:46 am PT...


GREAT! Now if this guy doesn't disappear, maybe this will be the beginning of the end of the Dubya stolen elections!


COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
... bejammin075 said on 12/6/2004 @ 12:56 pm PT...


Holy Fucking Shit!!!


COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
... Beth Craig said on 12/6/2004 @ 1:28 pm PT...


:) Wow! If this holds up, it will make Watergate look like petty theft!


COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
... Michele said on 12/6/2004 @ 1:32 pm PT...


When do you think the main stream media will pick this up? Is it even worth the time to tune into them any more?


COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
... Steve said on 12/6/2004 @ 2:37 pm PT...


Holy Moly! I had heard about a particular touch-screen operation of a software program and this sounds strikingly familiar in that an operator code is built into certain areas that control the function through touching these designated areas on the screen.

Keep up the superb work, Brad! I'm hoping that this man, Mr. Curtis, stays safe and the story reveals what many of us have long suspected regarding our election process in America.


COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
... Paul Landis said on 12/6/2004 @ 3:04 pm PT...


Good work Brad:

The reason I knew Bush would win: 30% of voters for Election Thieft 2004 were to be done on Electronic Voting machines - Bush Vote Capturing Machines.

Paul J.Landis, Author, "Stop Bush Now"

:angry:


COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
... Windy said on 12/6/2004 @ 3:14 pm PT...


I am wondering just how the media will handle this, even if it is true, which I feel deep within my soul to be true.
I am elated that this is coming out, and afraid as well, to be honest. I feel that the Bush administration and those that wholeheartedly support it will stop at nothing to maintain their current power. Who knows where this will lead?
I hate them.


COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
... Katherine A. Farr said on 12/6/2004 @ 3:43 pm PT...


Somebody get this man into protective custody!!!


COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
... Ron von Arb said on 12/6/2004 @ 3:47 pm PT...


Hi There,
Keep up the GREAT WORK, it will be hard work to
nail the CROOKED BASTARDS. We cannot get over
it, we need to STOP the CROOKS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
... Angry Girl said on 12/6/2004 @ 3:54 pm PT...


Thanks for the ballsy investigative journalism!
At least some people still know how to track a story, unlike the lapdog mainstream media, which has become a bloody disgrace. Go, Brad, go!


COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
... Angry Girl said on 12/6/2004 @ 3:54 pm PT...


Thanks for the ballsy investigative journalism!
At least some people still know how to track a story, unlike the lapdog mainstream media, which has become a bloody disgrace. Go, Brad, go!


COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
... Chris said on 12/6/2004 @ 4:04 pm PT...


If this does go down as truth, lets use Ukraine as a template. They seem to know what Power to the People is all about.


COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
... Mustif said on 12/6/2004 @ 4:14 pm PT...


I agree with Chris


COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
... Ohio Vote Fraud said on 12/6/2004 @ 4:16 pm PT...


COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
... falcon said on 12/6/2004 @ 4:54 pm PT...


"...You will know them by their fruit..."

This is good news...but stay focused...do not let Karl Rove spin this like he did the bush military service records at the sacrifice of Dan Rather's career...these fascist assholes would love to bring down the internet...don't let this be the straw that broke the camel's back...

Canada is suing bush on war crimes in Vancouver and we will legally destroy these evoting machines...it's the machines, stupid!

Yes, the Ukraine=America, but with Media coverage...having said that, we are the new 49ers...the 49% that didn't vote for this piece of **** and the entire world knows us now!

Support blackboxvoting.org. and via con Dios, mi amigos!


COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
... toosie turner said on 12/6/2004 @ 5:03 pm PT...


Its time we take this matter to the streets and fight for democracy. We must use Ukraine as our example.


COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
... rick said on 12/6/2004 @ 5:07 pm PT...


Got my hopes up but do see one thing that needs explaining pronto. The signature page is very obviously in a different font. Why?


COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
... Dan said on 12/6/2004 @ 5:13 pm PT...


Brad, keep up the good work! It's people like you and Clint that make me proud to be an American! Let's hope this isn't like the Dan Rather fake memos. You HAVE BEEN stating when parts of the story are as of yet unsubstantiated. I actually believe there are people who purposely throw out fake stories, so the real ones are viewed with too much skepticism (paranoid? maybe!). Here's the HUGE thing I can never understand: HOW WERE COMPUTERIZED VOTING MACHINES WITH NO PAPER TRAILS EVER ALLOWED TO BE INSTALLED??? I will never ever ever believe that in this great old USofA, that someone like even Ralph Nader has allowed this to happen. The only way votes could be stolen and manipulated is if there was widespread installation of computerized voting machines with no paper trail. Are there no rules that prevent installation of voting machines you can't recount in this country??? That's so hard for me to get over, sorry............


COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
... joey said on 12/6/2004 @ 5:38 pm PT...


Note that the site http://www.justaflyonthewall.com is posting an incomplete zip file at this time. It is just a small VB program (demo), this will not work unless the file votefraudcode.frm is added to it.


COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
... patricia jarvis said on 12/6/2004 @ 6:18 pm PT...


Something got the wind up Buzzflashes back, all of a sudden they hang this Karl Rove ,yellow alert, on their headline. Is it this font business that made them a tinge paranoid, or do they know something not yet apparent to the rest of us? My first inclination, on reading the blog, was to alert my republican son, that his hero boy might be going down in flames,now glad I hesitated. Hate eating crow. Going over everything, can't really see where Jerko Rove could do any damage. Anyway, great reporting , Brad.


COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
... kevin said on 12/6/2004 @ 6:23 pm PT...


rick: the signature page is the same font. It's the only page scanned in color and in its entirety; the rest were apparently scanned black-and-white (not even grayscale) and omitted the (presumably empty) margins, hence the differences in appearance and size of the text.


COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
... oc said on 12/6/2004 @ 6:50 pm PT...


There is now a mirror containing PDF and GIF and Word Document (printable) versions of the affidavit, for those of you who need these formats. Just go to www.civictools.org (this is a test blog created by a progressive nonprofit).


COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
... Jen said on 12/6/2004 @ 7:01 pm PT...


Hope this crap get out on the media....get that son of a bush impeached.....


COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
... Val Zudell said on 12/6/2004 @ 7:12 pm PT...


God, Please protect Mr. Curtis from wrath and retaliation!


COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
... Alison said on 12/6/2004 @ 7:18 pm PT...


Thanks Brad


COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
... Veronica E. Sissons said on 12/6/2004 @ 7:40 pm PT...


We all know that fraud was perpetrated in the election. Now something has emerged that may indeed be substantiated. What now - can we drive a mass complaint across the nation? Must prove up first though. We must postpone the inauguration at least until we know the truth. Keep Curtis safe. Veronica


COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
... Julie said on 12/6/2004 @ 8:10 pm PT...


Incredible! :crazy:


COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
... Rich said on 12/6/2004 @ 8:30 pm PT...


This is some very good news for those of us that want to see Dubya and his cronies out of power, but I dont feel we have enough backing to turn the election. There just seems to be too many assholes in this country who are blind to what's going on with the current administration. Let's hope I'm wrong and things turn out in our favor, and keep up the good work! :angry:


COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
... Red-Blooded American said on 12/6/2004 @ 8:31 pm PT...


Get a clue, people. There was no fraud, no vote rigging.
This so-called "afidavit" reads more like the beginning of a cheap spy novel. Don't you all think it's strange how none of the major news networks picked up on this "hot" story?

As much as you all wish it was otherwise, the fact is that the majority of people in this country voted for Bush. Being whiny and liberal pansies must somehow make you all feel better, because there's a lot of that going on out here.


COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
... Bob said on 12/6/2004 @ 8:33 pm PT...


Isn't it ironic that the bushies say the election in Ukraine was crooked because the exit polls differed from the count, but in America, when the only place they don't match is in precincts with e-voting and no paper trail and that's not crooked.

Let's hope that this finally makes the bush fans FINALLY open their eyes and admit the truth. They're a bunch of immoral thieves and have no business having any power at all, let alone the ultimate power they currently have. The only hope is for widespread dissemination of the facts, and let's pray that these are the true facts!


COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
... Neil Katcher said on 12/6/2004 @ 9:32 pm PT...


Interesting piece. When I first read it, i got very excited, but now that i've had time to read the entire filing and think it over, i have a few questions and concerns that i feel need answering.

1) Is this provable beyond a shadow of a doubt? Is there tangible evidence like a copy of the materials Mr. Curtis handed over to Feeney and Yang? If so, can the actual software be uploaded into a voting machine that hasn't been tampered with to see if it would mimic a machine that acted suspiciously in this past election? Even if true, Curtis' allegations only prove a desire to fix the election and not actually fixing it.

2) Is there any tangible evidence linking Feeney to a larger plot? It's one thing to have software, it's another thing to actually do something with it in a meaningful way. Unless one could somehow install the software without having to be there, the amount of folks that would need to be involved makes this a difficult pill to swallow.

3) While I'd love to believe Mr. Curtis, he does have a motive here to screw his former company. Plus, as we all know, a smoking gun does not a whistleblower make. Ultimately, we need the material behind it, (think THE INSIDER... there were studies and findings that were purposely covered up, we'd need the same here)

4) This is concerning the Florida Vote... there is no heat on the florida vote currently except for Bev Harris, who some of you may or may not know has been marginalizing herself by fighting with the very people trying to help her, give her press. Unless something drastically changes, a bombshell like this needs something more tangible to blow up. In other words, one of the down sides of breaking this story before it's totally developed is that it gives those who may be potentially covering up a scandal a chance to destroy any incrimminating evidence and get their ducks in a row if they haven't already.

In the end, Brad keep up the hard work, it's much apreciated... and if you have any answers to these questions, please pass them along. Thanks.


COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
... Neil Katcher said on 12/6/2004 @ 9:33 pm PT...


Interesting piece. When I first read it, i got very excited, but now that i've had time to read the entire filing and think it over, i have a few questions and concerns that i feel need answering.

1) Is this provable beyond a shadow of a doubt? Is there tangible evidence like a copy of the materials Mr. Curtis handed over to Feeney and Yang? If so, can the actual software be uploaded into a voting machine that hasn't been tampered with to see if it would mimic a machine that acted suspiciously in this past election? Even if true, Curtis' allegations only prove a desire to fix the election and not actually fixing it.

2) Is there any tangible evidence linking Feeney to a larger plot? It's one thing to have software, it's another thing to actually do something with it in a meaningful way. Unless one could somehow install the software without having to be there, the amount of folks that would need to be involved makes this a difficult pill to swallow.

3) While I'd love to believe Mr. Curtis, he does have a motive here to screw his former company. Plus, as we all know, a smoking gun does not a whistleblower make. Ultimately, we need the material behind it, (think THE INSIDER... there were studies and findings that were purposely covered up, we'd need the same here)

4) This is concerning the Florida Vote... there is no heat on the florida vote currently except for Bev Harris, who some of you may or may not know has been marginalizing herself by fighting with the very people trying to help her, give her press. Unless something drastically changes, a bombshell like this needs something more tangible to blow up. In other words, one of the down sides of breaking this story before it's totally developed is that it gives those who may be potentially covering up a scandal a chance to destroy any incrimminating evidence and get their ducks in a row if they haven't already.

In the end, Brad keep up the hard work, it's much apreciated... and if you have any answers to these questions, please pass them along. Thanks.


COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
... Elyce Ellies said on 12/6/2004 @ 9:42 pm PT...


Maybe we all can do something before the inauguration. Let's hope so. Would be nice


COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
... STOP_George said on 12/6/2004 @ 10:10 pm PT...


Thanks, Brad!!!

You have proven that bloggers are, once again, making the mainstream media look like amateurs.

I will definitely track this story on my blog!!! That is, if it ever gets mentioned in the mainstream.

http://newsclipautopsy.blogspot.com/

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COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
... Travieso said on 12/6/2004 @ 10:13 pm PT...


I really hope there is meat to this. Whatever happens, we need to get Curtis some witness protection. Then, we need to investigate thoroughly. We should explain it to the media in the most simple and concise manner possible, because it gets murky when there so much detail. We began to lose people.


COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
... Bill Metcalfe said on 12/6/2004 @ 10:22 pm PT...


There is probably no connection between the death of Mr. Lemme in Georgia and the acknowledgement by a programmer that he inserted changes into several voting machines. I also can't recall if it was during the Presidental Election of 2000 or from a local election in Georgia. I forget when or where I saw the information. Maybe BlackBox.com


COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
... Buzz said on 12/6/2004 @ 10:29 pm PT...


I wouldn't get to worked up. The press could care less and even more so since they didn't find it themselves.

AND don't expect any help from the democrats. They are too frightened right now to do anything that would smack of "CONSPIRACY THEORY!!!!".

So I have no doubts it is true. Not one, but the press which is soundly asleep like it has been for the last 4 decades aint' gonna do shiite.

BUT we can dream can't we?


COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
... Travieso said on 12/6/2004 @ 10:48 pm PT...


Buzz, I think it is just how we play our cards right. That is why, I feel, we really need to investigate it thoroughly. Leave nothing unturned which can leave holes in the story. If we come out with allot fo rage and anger, at first, it will seem as just typical partisan ranting. But, if we keep our cool, and really stay on top of the story and investigation, this could really pan out. What do you think?


COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
... Don Whiting said on 12/6/2004 @ 10:48 pm PT...


I don't think anyone truely GETS IT. This country's leaders are corrupt from top to bottom and in between. There is no salvation in a totally rigged system of government backed by billions of dirty dollars and thousands of cut throat dirty people.

All I can say is good luck. Changing this system is but a fantasy!


COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
... eva said on 12/7/2004 @ 1:43 am PT...


This is great reporting and interesting since I've been wondering when programmers will come forward and blow the whistle on these vote fraud purpetrators. We also need a reward program to get others to come forward especially the Diebold employees because they coded the optical scanners and the central vote tabulation computers. All of the code should be open for public inspection. There is a bill in congress to make the voting process transparent. H.R.2239: Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act of 2003. It requires a paper trail and that the code for ALL e-voting machines be made available for public scrutiny. It was intended that this bill pass in time for this November’s election… guess not with these crooks in power. Info on my blog, plus other vote fraud related links.


COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
... rambler said on 12/7/2004 @ 2:48 am PT...


If this is true, if someday soon we see bush and his cohorts in orange prison jumpsuits, I may start believing in God. In anticipation of my conversion I am praying it happens.


COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
... Arlene Montemarano said on 12/7/2004 @ 3:46 am PT...


There was another "mysterious death" in all this:

http://www.coastalpost.com/04/04/10.htm


COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
... Daniel said on 12/7/2004 @ 5:26 am PT...


Martin,

About your point (5): Curtis mentions that it would be easy to make the rigging automatic instead of triggered by the hidden buttons. In that case there would be no need to have manpower at each polling station.

Remember, this is about a prototype, not directly about the software used for the elections. If the story is confirmed, what it shows is that a Republican official was investigating the possibility of stealing elections. It could also give trails that would lead to the big deal.


COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
... Daniel said on 12/7/2004 @ 5:50 am PT...


And about why waiting so long to reveal this, that question is tackled by this interview.


COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
... Lynne said on 12/7/2004 @ 6:16 am PT...


We know the vote was hacked in more ways than can be counted, and this may very well be credible evidence, but I'm bothered that there is no reference regarding a)who took the affadavit, b)was it prompted by a legal investigation; and if so, c) who's investigating?


COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
... seamonkey said on 12/7/2004 @ 7:47 am PT...


listen Brad, there is no explanation of the discrepancy in the typeface between the first three pages and the signature page.

this really looks like disinformation.

if it ends up to be another Karl Rove trick to kill the investigation into REAL FRAUD that took place at the polls, and YOU ARE THE ONE who propagated it, I personally am going to hang you by the balls off of Golden Gate bridge.

either back this up with FACTS or RETRACT!


COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
... gassed said on 12/7/2004 @ 8:39 am PT...


Oh yes...if this is dis-information it will ruim our integrity. After all...look at how the Vince Foster garbage ruined the right wing extremists.

And another thing...haven't these Bushies realized that when they start throwing around the "whiny pansies" labels that they are just projecting their self loathing on to us. It is pretty clear that most of them don't work in mental health environments.


COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
... Paul said on 12/7/2004 @ 11:23 am PT...


Wow! You guys on the kook fringe are just filled will all sorts of conspiracies. I agree with gassed, I do not think that Vince Foster last talked to Clint Curtis but perhaps Curtis is the one who shot Ron Brown in the head.


COMMENT #52 [Permalink]
... Terri said on 12/7/2004 @ 11:57 am PT...


:) I do hope this gets to the mainstream media. Is Olbermann on the story? He seems to be the only media man covering the election fraud of 2004


COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
... Bryan said on 12/7/2004 @ 12:19 pm PT...


Seamonkey, it's quite obvious the last page was scanned, so that the signature would be there. I doubt anyone would be willing to put his/her credibility on the line for something if it was obviously a fake. If you've noticed this site at all over the past months, you'll know Brad has been thorough and deliberate in his assessments.

That said, I'm not buying this story yet. At all. I'm fully teased, yet entirely unconvinced. I'm glad the Judiciary Committee is looking into this should it turn out that any of this is substantiated. Neil and Martin's questions above, especially N#3 and M#5, ring true.


COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
... Martin said on 12/7/2004 @ 12:45 pm PT...


I would be quite willing to believe that voter fraud may have taken place in 2004. However, I am reluctant to believe this particular story is true. There are several questions which I would like answered:

(1) Why wait four years to make this revelation?

(2) For whom was this notarized affadavit prepared? To what end?

(3) In 2000, was electronic voting used in any counties in Florida? The quote from Mrs. Yang implies imminent usage of the program in Southern Florida. I was under the impression that touchscreen voting was only a very recent development in that state.

(4) Was the prototype developed to work with any particular type of electronic voting machine? Or, was it just a generic proof of concept?

(5) The concept of a touchscreen program seems extremely misguided to me. Touchscreens exist only on the individual voting machines at each polling stations. This would be an incredibly inefficient way to hack the vote. It would require manpower at each precinct and significant risk of discovery. Hacking could be much more safely and efficiently done at the computer compiling the results at the county level. What is the proposed scenario of how the touchscreen program would be used?


COMMENT #55 [Permalink]
... Seth said on 12/7/2004 @ 1:01 pm PT...


This story sure is bringing a lot of attention - I can't get to bradblog.com at all due to high traffic it seems, I have to use the bradfriedman.com/bradblog (or whatever the address is) URL... a lot of people may be missing the story because of that, but it's inevitable. I was scared something bad happened to the Blog at first.

And of course, great work, Brad!


COMMENT #56 [Permalink]
... Mark said on 12/7/2004 @ 1:03 pm PT...


WOW!! What a hoot. Tell you what I am gonna do with my huge tax cut after I send some to the RNC. I am going to buy lots of stock in aluminum foil. You guys are real wackos.....entertaining but wackos just the same.

Hey don't take my opinion for it. Step back, take off your foil hats and read this thread from top to bottom. Ok you can put your foil back on now.

Keep up the good work.

Mark

W.....still the President
Bush/Rice08


COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
... Seth said on 12/7/2004 @ 1:04 pm PT...


And of cou