Thanks for this, Brad. You've done us a great service by paying such close attention to this story. Now it's time for 6 or 7 readers to get busy making noise. And lots of it!!

This is the best I've been able to do to get contact information for Jimmy Carter:

Contact JIMMY CARTER at the following:

carterweb@emory.edu

800-550-3560
404-420-5100
Fax 404-331-0283

If you call the numbers for Carter they will tell you they can't take messages. Ask to speak to the comment line - you can leave a message there.

They encourage faxes and hard copies.

The address is:

453 Freedom Parkway
Atlanta, Georgia, 30307

(Thanks to Ann from Blackboxvoting.org who originally posted this information on January 02, 2005.)

Can't we use their report for fuel?

I mean wouldn't their claims justify the US Counts Votes Act proposed by Hillary Clinton and John Kerry as much as our claims would?

Surely republicans would not balk at an oppertunity to stop Democratic Fraud.....hehehehehe

Charlie- New Orleans

I'm betting that the MSM will pick up on this and promote it, as will the Republican Party. That will show us what's what in this country, if it works out that way, since both have stiff armed the legitimate stolen election movement.

I mean both the MSM and the Democratic party have stiff armed the legitimage stolen election movement.

Here's an article:

The Portland Phoenix

Way to go, Ohio
As a new report details massive Election Day failures, the state goes on vacation and the country ignores the lesson

To hear 'them' accusing others of all their own sins.......it makes me physically ill! Why does anyone stand for voting that is auditable???????? These same morons would freak if the ATM choked on the receipt or the department store, while they monitored their statement for any mistakes, yet act like voting is not totally f*#k'd up?????

We need a People's recall law!

Impeachment power must be given to the people!

Sorry in #7 I meant 'un-auditable'.

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Just maybe AVCR is attempting to further justify the need for National Voter ID --- which will more than likely be a recommendation of the Baker-Carter Election Coverup Commission, and ultimately what will follow is lame legislation requiring them. Just one more barrier put in place with an intent to disenfranchise.

Damn Joe Voters, gotta watch every move they make, huh? Ain't nothing but a bunch of lying cheats!

Seriously, most voters know that it's against the law to vote twice, or to vote when dead or not legally registered, and they don't do it. I suppose one way around the majority of voters obeying the law is to make it more difficult for them to vote, which used to be against the law. Just wait 'til those centralized voter registration lists are unleashed on the country in January '06!

Political parties need to start looking at voters as actual people and not just a number in a magical equation that in the end amounts to a hollow victory by candidates without a clue of what it means to be an elected representative of the people.

Rush Limbaugh was spewing the GOP talking points on this today. The cons accusing the dems of voting fraud? Only in boosch bizarro world. This is almost funny.

Quick Question-

Does anyone know where to find any kind of polling results or indicators of who is winning the race in Ohio between Paul Hackett and Jean Schmidt???

Thanks in advance...

Charlie

All I got is this where you can "refresh" & get the latest news:

Googling Hackett - Schmidt News

Nauseating.

Here is a list of some of the other fraudsters besides Spraul.

I'm sure these guys are nervous, cause if they get Rove,
that pig might squeal.

Hi, Kira #10 & Brad:

Would be nice if www.votetoimpeach.org was placed at the top of all political blogsites until September 25????

I AGREE Peggy! Would like to see that, too.

OT Alert:

Anybody following this story happening now:

Air France Airbus crashes in flames at Toronto

Anyone remember Water**gate** ?

Several have telephoned the Prosecution's office....

His aide, I should say his aide said no comment will be made at this time.....

Fitzgerald may have already issued sealed indictments, developing story. Listen to reporter Sckolink blow it wide open...

http://cloakanddagger.de...SHOP_FLOCCO_08_02_05.mp3

Reporters say they will issue full retraction if story isn't correct....Prosecutor's office not commenting at this time. (Familiar?)

Doug E.

Doug-

No it is not familiar. Please explain in a little bit more detail.

Charlie

Very insightful comment above...

If the MSM covers the ACVR press releases, it would prove beyond a doubt that the MSM is beholden to the GOP, because of the way the MSM blacked-out all the voter fraud stories that made the GOP look bad.

Let's check out the MSM, and see if the ACVR news is covered by them.

I don't have to tell you, the conclusion you should draw. It would blow out of the water, those who say the MSM is covering pop-stars and entertainment...the conclusion would be beyond that: They've become an arm of the GOP!

Well, let's just see...mediamatters is set up to do investigative MSM comparisions, like this...I hope they do it. MediaMatters should compare MSM coverage of Ohio Vote fraud & Clint Curtis vs. ACVR press release coverage.

Let's think of what ACVR stands for.

I say American Citizens' Vote Ruination.

Charlie,

When **Archibald Cox** was issuing out indictments and the court was in full conviction mode, several reporters got the inside scoop from individuals in that room. They ran with that story.

The beginning was labeled as a disaffected group of moonbats, crazy "conspiracy theorists" who come out with garbage stories all the time.

Official status of many citizens was changed to "enemy".

Then not shortly after, in that same timeframe, **Watergate** broke out proving that they had told the truth and several members including Donald Sargetti went down hard.

It's always a good point to remember what history has lauded...

Doug E.

Breaking news...is this real?

BUSH AND CHENEY INDICTED

**Peggy**

Watch it closely, because although Tom Flocco is a conspiracy toyboy he is not the only reporter with the inside knowledge....

Sherman Skolnick and several others also report that the sealed indictments have been issued, and there are individuals who have called the prosecutors office. I also called and the official word is "No Comment"

Doug E.

But are there real indictments already ready to go????????

Have they been issued???

Whats the process????

I NEED INFORMATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Charlie

Listen to the radio interview.

A **truebill** means the indictments are issued before the Jury and placed in sealed envelopes. No one can see the indictments after the truebill is issued, besides those who are directly present.

That is why Fitzgerald is the final authority on whether indictments are issued....And if he has already issued the truebill, then "no comment" would mean that they aren't going to leak out information that could tip off the white house.

**You could take it to mean that indictments have been issued**

Until all dots are lined up they will not take action, because there is alot of problems going on behind the scenes with attempted assassinations....Its like the mafia, once you corner them they go ballistic.

Doug E.

SIGH.

OK. The thing is, a lot of what this new "ACVR" says is probably true so far as it goes. Seattle DOES have a vote fraud issue for damnsure, probably St. Louis (I've heard rumors anyways, but haven't looked into it personally), etc.

BUT ignoring the "GOP-connected fraud" is...well, it's the biggest fraud of all.

Now, to some degree the Democrats commit the same sin, in that any discussion of Democrat-connected fraud gets you attacked from their end. A giant onslaught of smear against Bev Harris and BlackBoxVoting started around the same time we pointed out some Democrat ills. And it's not just us - other activists who have pointed out some Dem fraud have been attacked from the left.

Which one is doing it more? Republicans at the moment. No question. And I'm saying that AS a Republican myself...I damned well don't like saying it.

But the fraud IS a non-partisan issue, it IS being committed by both parties to at least some degree and if one side keeps it up long enough the other will try and "counter fraud" and then it all spirals into the eventual toilet of civil war.

(Note that there is FAR less of an impression of "central organization" to the fraud on the Dem side than the GOP. Fraud in Ohio in particular appears to have been centrally managed statewide, I'm not aware of that happening on the Dem side to that obvious a degree...although...Illinois sometimes has a bad odor...)

Anyways. BlackBoxVoting really is non-partisan and will remain that way. Bev herself is a decline-to-state leaning towards progressive, the board is a mix, I think we've got one Peace'n'Freedom but I'm not certain. NONE of it matters in terms of policies or investigations or news releases.

And no election reform org without a similar policy can be trusted, from any part of the political spectrum.

Jim March
Member of the Board of Directors, BlackBoxVoting Inc.

You are the MAN Doug....

I appreaciate you sharing your knowledge in the matter....I am so excited I am Jittery!!!!!!

So any probable time frame on the release of an Indictment??

Wouldn't it be a good thing if the press ran with the story a little early like raw story... just going off the brief history lesson you just gave about the Nixon days.....

Charlie- new Orleans

I've been thinking about something for a while and thought that some of you might want to help me formulate this idea better. I have been reading the Kevin Trudeau book about natural cures and he says somthing that really rang a bell regarding the fact that IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY and how the FDA and the FTC control the info passed along to us about high priced drugs vs herbs, which cannot be patented. He says that they control what the media present to us in the way of turning press releases by the drug companies into news stories, and because so many people stand to make so much money from a particular drug, the info about herbs that really cure many of the diseases today is being squelched in the media because nobody can make any money with these. What is reported to us in the news is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. So, I started putting 2 and 2 together.

We know that the same thing is happening with the GOP and the MSM. The big GOP-leaning corporations are supporting the news organizations and the reports we get from the MSM is slanted to those who pay them the most. That's why we'll probably hear about this bogus group and their phoney claims before we hear about the REAL election fraud. The amount of this influence has been staggering and I don't think I would have believed it could happen in this country if we didn't experience so much of it since the election! Like the rest of the 6 or 7 of us, I want to shout it from the rooftops to get the word out there, but like the rest of you, I can't do this alone.

Back to Trudeau, though - he says he's mad as hell and he's not going to take it anymore - that's how we all feel about the lack of reporting the truth and the dirty tricks of Rove and Co. - they are very evidently at play in this case! But we don't have the bucks to overcome the financial influence on the MSM by the corporations - they're too entrenched in influencing the media (just like the FDA and FTC that anger Trudeau).

But, as individuals, we DO have the power to influence and this is where I need us all to put on our thinking caps - we CAN influence the media by OUR buying power and if we all organize together, I think we can make a difference and maybe even turn the tides.

It IS all about the money. We have the power through boycotting to get to where it hurts the media the most - in advertising dollars. If they have to make a choice about reporting the real news or the falsehoods of phoney groups supported by their croneys, we can make a CONCERTED effort to threaten to boycot companies that pay for advertising on the MSM. Anybody have any ideas about how to go about this and how to get our 6 or 7 to make a difference with the MSM by boycotting their advertisers?

Thanks for listening.

Ilene,

I watched something on TV about that Doctor....was he the one that couldn't even title one of his books or something???

You are very right, no doubt....

How about we all cancel cable TV....wait no football.

How about we buy the Fox Blocker, and at least block out FOX one of the biggest culprits of misinformation.

What about boycotting the companies that advertise on the programs misinforming America. You get a few million people to pledge not to buy from those companies.....posted on a website....email to the activist....money starts talking in terms of millions of people.

Great idea....but the energy required to start such a huge plan would far outweigh the benifits....I think it is to late for that and our energy would be better spent focusing on the corrupt Bush & Co.

However if someone else were to organize and start something similar to that or not even but with the same end in sight...fucking the Big Contributors of misinformation.... I would gladly sign on and participate...

Charlie

Kewl! This thread is linked at BuzzFlash!

I just get so pissed off and decouraged. I have no faith in most voters after 2004.
I've been watching Paul Hacket daily. My hopes are semi up for him.
Back later to read the whole thread.

Jim March #27

Welcome again. I remember "talking" (posting) with you over at blackbox voting and have always had the utmost respect for your efforts. I was ready to start a campaign to help you ... in a recent post here.

Then I went over to the blackbox voting website and read your posts in regards to the phony oppressive arrest you suffered, together with your comments there. I have to conclude you are one of us ... meaning those who do not equate crime and crushing of civil rights with politics.

As a long time bradblogger I want everyone to know you are fair. I have always maintained here that there are 80%-90% fair folk in all the political parties ... it is those 20% neocon we are resisting. Those who lean toward fascism to the point of harming voting and a whole host of good american values.

I appreciate your efforts in standing up for all our rights and support your efforts. If you need help let us know.

Anyway, good to "talk" to you again.

Sorry, off topic...

RE: "Does anyone know where to find any kind of polling results or indicators of who is winning the race in Ohio between Paul Hackett and Jean Schmidt???"
---------------------------------------
Go here for election results
http://www.wcpo.com/news...02/election_results.html

Big Dan, I reckon the bright side is that if MSM does cover this bogus group's stuff, it'll be harder for MSM to avoid the rest of the Stolen Election story.

Which is not to say that they won't try to do it anyway.

I'm more and more convinced that Jim is right, that it happens on both sides. That is one of the most compelling reasons I can think of for the way the Dems have stiffed armed opposition to stolen elections.

Indightments? Can it be true? God knows it's about time, but maybe God (and Fitzgerald) have heard the prayers of those who long for some semblance of truth and honesty and good will in politics.

Given the state of Ohio, perhaps I should have put results in quotes.

Hackett election results:
ELECTION RESULTS

#27 Jim March

Great to see you here. I listened "live" to your interview with Brad on the BradShow. Great job.

I posted a question for you on the open thread for the show, but time ran out, and Brad didn't get around to it. So, here it is: Has there been any talk about counties suing Diebold or other vendors under some kind of "lemon law"? Let me know if the question makes sense. If not, I'll explain more.

Thanks, VG

Better link to the results of the Hackett Election

http://www.clermontelect...esults&topic=current

Charlie

I found another site to check for Hackett results:

here, with interactive map. Different format, probably same data as wcpo link.

I found this via a site supporting Tim Kaine for VA gov,
here. Looks like Kaine supports Hackett, and included some interesting words from "A blogger in Ohio":

--------------------------which are:

As one Ohio blog puts it:

However this turns out today, Hackett’s campaign has given 2006 Democrats an effective blueprint–anti-war, anti-corruption, anti-stupid; pro individual freedom, pro shared responsibility, pro smart, strong defense; and maybe most important, strong netroots support ( the DCCC didn’t even know this race was going on until the blogs got excited about it ) . If Hackett comes within five points of Schmidt, it’s a proven blueprint. If he wins in the OH-2, it’s the Holy Grail.

-------------

Interesting about the blog power, eh?

Actually, the wcpo site looks like it has more up to date info than the Clermont County Board of Elections site (#39).

Right now CC site has votes ~60% Schmidt, ~40% Hackett, reporting about 2000 votes.

The wcpo site has votes ~49% Schmidt, ~51% Hackett, reporting about 25,000 votes.

Thanks Valley Girl Much better link

Oh, BTW, just discovered that Clermont County is only one of 7 counties in OH-2. Warren County has Schmidt 55% Hackett 45%--- Warren County, remember? You can see the results by county on the interactive map (#40)

#42 Charlie,

Thanks. Two meanings to "better"--my choice being that the larger count shows Hackett slightly ahead!!!! Fingers crossed!!! But checking out your link did add to my education in Geography, still needed!!!!

No matter what, celebrate for Hackett because they just won the absentee votes.

http://news.enquirer.com...0050802/NEWS01/308020015

That is unheard of an all conservative part of Ohio. Hackett won and took all absentee votes over Schmidt, including over 50 more absentee votes in Brown County.

Great news for everyone!! Oh and take **screenshots of every county**

For fraud, intimidation, etc. Let's make sure we reform Ohio's elections!!!

Doug E.

Well better for me does mean Hackett winning as well

Quick question....

How many seats in the house and senate do the democrats need to get to regain power?

Charlie

Oh man look what just happened........FUCK

Charlie, I was just going to say, remember, the Republican computer hacking comes in near the end of the total count to make sure their wo-man wins!

GOD DAMN IT>>>>

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....much better...........aahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Yes the computer hacking, how could I forget... Anyone see the story about the Hacking contest they had in Vegas on ATM's. Like voting machines are real tough. Democrats just need to find a good hacker.

Charlie

And what is up with Clermont County having 0 precints reporting??????

Dredd, thank you for the kind words.

Valley Girl: rather than "lemon law", the term you're looking for is "consumer protection law" or "taxpayer suit" - it's the idea that as taxpayers, we can sue to get the gov't a refund on bad or fraudulent goods of any sort, including voting machines. The "legalese" term is a "Qui Tam" or "whistleblower" suit.

That's exactly what Bev and I tried to do. And we succeeded to a very small degree, got California $2.6mil back and we each collected a "bounty" of $76k...note that the suit started before there was such a thing as Black Box Voting the non-profit org.

We were stopped by *Democrat* California Attorney General Bill Lockyer. Unfortunately in these Qui Tam actions, the government can delay the hell out of the thing (Lockyer stalled about...God, 10 months before allowing it's existence to go public, and THEN he settled it out from under us for peanuts without our consent AND without doing discovery! Understand, we were ready to "tear shit up" in discovery, we knew all kinds of cool questions to ask Diebold and were drooling at the chance.

If Lockyer hadn't shot it all down, at a minimum we would have gotten Alameda County a refund of $14mil (Bev and I each collecting $910,000) or if it had expanded statewide, a total refund of about $105mil (Bev and I scoring $6,825,000) and if you think I ain't royally pissed off about THAT!!!

:crazy:

Heh. Oh well. Guess I'm not fated to get rich .

(Look, sorry if this comes across as crass, I gotta keep my sense of humor here esp. with tomorrow's arraignment. If I was REALLY all that concerned about cash I wouldn't have brought Bev into the suit first thing back in Oct. '03 when it started with a lawyer coming to ME. Besides, I'm a "gun nut" remember, I *really* gotta keep my sense of humor .)

Anyways. Why did Lockyer torpedo it? Damned if I know. One possibility: if Diebold's full set of sins ever sees public light, it raises the next major question: how in GOD'S NAME did the Federal oversight process (NASED, test labs like Wyle and Ciber) ever approve this junk?

And that question in turn throws all of HAVA into question along with the entire top-to-bottom electronic voting infrastructure and industry, along with every politicritter who supported it.

Thanks for your work, Jim. One of the most puzzling things about the election issues seems to be that the Dems are less interested in it than the Pubs. We may have to renew both parties if we are to have any hope for remotely honest and sincere politics in the future.

Hi, Charlie: We need a recount in Hamilton, don't you think?? Are the Repub hackers slowing the count in Clermont? See how confident I am in American elections???

Jim #51

Thanks for all of the information, and the education. Since you took Amtrack to SD, and and based on much more I heard listening to you on the BradShow, I believe you when you say you're not in it for the $$$$. I haven't lived in CA for many years, but the rest of my family does, and I was CA born and bred. I will check out Bill Lockyer.

And, I hope you will keep us posted on your arraignment. A sense of humor does go a long way in helping one survive these times.

VG (Valley Girl = SF Valley)

Doug E #45

I've been trying to take screen shots, as you suggested, but there are plenty of gaps. Looks like it's down to Clermont County, at least in the "official" tally.

Let me know here, or via Brad, if you need the shots I've compiled.

VG

Guess Blackwell is busy with his two-way internet connection to the computerized vote tallying...let's hope he and his goons make a major mistake.

Valley Girl:

It may be neccesary to give them to Jim March and the lawyers for analysis.....

http://www.clermontelect...esults&topic=current

Clermont County website is completely down.... **Hacked** I should say, and people have called the director who stated the "voting machines were slowing down alot because of humidity"

Yeah right! They're committing election fraud in Clermont and Hamilton, just because they know those places could be safe....

Someone get out the lawsuits and **paper ballot counts** !!

Doug E.

Hey, I can't deny having a million or more to play with wouldn't be FUN . But yeah, this is SO not about the money. Never was. The extreme short form was that in having both political activism and computer experience, and seeing something SO rotten going on...I...well, I had to jump in, y'know?

It's been one hell of a ride .

And it's not like I haven't been messed with by Republicans so far. Bruce McPherson's secretary wanted to have my bike towed! Buell S3, used but in good shape sportbike. Dunno why...it was parked out in front of the Secretary of State's office while a Diebold-related meeting was going on, with my name on it, "Paid For By Liebold" on both sides of the gas tank and a big sign above saying "THIS SHOULD BE THE LAST HIGH-RISK EXPENDITURE OF DIEBOLD-RELATED ASSETS".

:laugh:

One of the security guards warned me they were coming for it and I got it outta there. Somebody couldn't take a joke .

($76k ain't "getting rich" but you CAN sure have some fun with it...)

Doug Eldritch: COMPUTERS DON'T SLOW DOWN BECAUSE OF HUMIDITY. They flat-out crash but they don't "slow down".

They "slow down" when there's EXTRA GODDAMN CODE RUNNING ON 'EM! That's why spyware/adware/etc. are so damn annoying.

"Slowing down". GrrrrrARF!

It is pretty interesting that it seems the hard core Pub counties are coming in last and slow at that. It might make a person think that they were waiting to see how many votes they needed.

I'm listening to Air America on the Ohio/Hackett race. It's good listening.

You just need to cut the telephone lines going into the Clermont voting stations. That should stop the hacking, shouldn't it????? Or are they doing it from inside the voting stations?

**All**

We caught them!

http://www.cincynation.com

"Couldn't quite hack the results" right, so they blamed the machines for being malfunctions...

So they are counting by hand all ballots, forced to count every single ballot in remaining 91 precincts and other by hand!!!!

Watch for ballot stuffing, contact every observor you know, and tell people to go vote and get counted!

Doug E.

Doug #57

I've been taking screen shots of the "service unavailable" in CC. Thanks to Charlie for that link, here. Looks like Charlie's got good intuition!!!

Jim #58

Yeah, you did sound like a biker to me!!!

Are any exit polls taking place?

Exit polls? Fat chance...

They can only use sheriffs and computer experts to observe how they are counting the ballots....

Someone tried to pull a fast one....Oh this is getting interesting.

Doug E.

So they are counting the ballots with no real observers on hand?