READER COMMENTS ON
"TOM DELAY INDICTED IN CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY, STEPS DOWN FROM MAJORITY LEADER POST!"
(222 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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KestrelBrighteyes
said on 9/28/2005 @ 9:53 am PT...
Great news!! One criminal down and how many more to go?
Maybe he, Bill Frist, and Karl Rove can all share a cell.
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scotty d
said on 9/28/2005 @ 10:02 am PT...
don't forget "oxycotin is such a" Rush slimebaugh in the cell next to them
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hiley
said on 9/28/2005 @ 10:03 am PT...
:P
Yes great news now let's keep the pressure on for all the rest of them.
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Blow Me, I'm Irish
said on 9/28/2005 @ 10:07 am PT...
:P :laugh:
:O
:hehe: :laugh: :angry:
Next stop: The Roach Motel... roaches check in, but they don't check out...
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czaragorn
said on 9/28/2005 @ 10:08 am PT...
Woo Hoo! This is a great and, frankly, unexpected confirmation that our system of government still works. But please fix that headline - he was indicted, not indicated...
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 9/28/2005 @ 10:12 am PT...
A question: If DeLay is provided with his own company's products to kill cockroaches in his prison cell, would that constitute an illegal corporate contribution?
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Nana
said on 9/28/2005 @ 10:16 am PT...
HURRAY!! for the Texas Grand Jury! Good job.
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colleenmilitarymom
said on 9/28/2005 @ 10:19 am PT...
YAAAYYYY!!!! I HAVE OPENED A COLD BEER! At 12:30!
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brian
said on 9/28/2005 @ 10:24 am PT...
First, it’s Tom Delay, and then Karl Roves next week. The Bush administration torment is over. They will all fall one by one. The United States Constitution says “We The People”, not “Bush family and friends”.
"One Nation, Under One God
"We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools. MLK, Jr.
No to Judge Roberts...He's there ace in the hole, As Chief Justice he can stop their jail time.
God is watching!
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Winter Patriot
said on 9/28/2005 @ 10:25 am PT...
re #5: Quite right, Czaragorn. He was in fact indicted. On the other hand, it was really early in the morning for Brad when he blogged this one
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Laura
said on 9/28/2005 @ 10:28 am PT...
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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czaragorn
said on 9/28/2005 @ 10:40 am PT...
Thanks for the fix, WP, and I appreciate the quick service with the smile! Remember, as Can o' Beans from Tom Robbins's Skinny Legs and All so aptly pointed out, imprecise use of language leads to atrophy of the mind, and we have plenty of that in OUR White House right now. I've been a professional translator and editor for 15 years and would gladly proof anything for BradBlog, any time (keep in mine the Prague-LA time gap), absolutely free of charge, or for any friends of Brad too, for that matter.
But let's not let my nitpicking deflect from the issues at hand - Delay today, Frist waiting in the wings, Rove's head on a platter soon - what a treat!
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czaragorn
said on 9/28/2005 @ 10:44 am PT...
OK, even we pros screw up once in a while, especially when reviewing our own work: ...keep in mind... was what I meant, of course. Ooops! *blush*
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Linda6or7
said on 9/28/2005 @ 10:45 am PT...
I just called Delays office and congratulated them on the indictment, it was a long time coming. We hope he takes lots of his friends with him and may he rot in hell.
thats what I said. Am I bad?
here's the switchboard number, ask for Delays office. I think we should all let them know that we are thinking of them in their time of need.
202-224-3121
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ThomNYC
said on 9/28/2005 @ 10:47 am PT...
It is temporary. His people say it's lies... they expect to get out of it. And, they very well may.
Another Republican who has made it his full time job to acquire more power for power's sake.
They don't care about rules, laws, ethics, morals...
They are above it all, they believe. How many times will somebody uncover a Republican problem and its cover-up, only to watch them all walk away unscathed?
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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Gordonh
said on 9/28/2005 @ 11:39 am PT...
Rock On!! Someone needs to be sure that the prosecutor has that website address showing all
the crooked connections between Delay and
everyone else.
Could this be the beginning of a massive unravelling
as they pull him and all his ties in for further interrogation, tying the crooks together one after
the other!??
Onward!
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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Anonymous
said on 9/28/2005 @ 11:46 am PT...
"Steps aside" my eye.
It's called "going under cover" behind Pretty Boy Drier. Nothing changes but the facade.
[Will Drier retain his Rules Committee dictatorsh-- er--Chair? If not, I wonder which loyal lieutenant Delay/Hastert will install in his place.]
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Joan
said on 9/28/2005 @ 11:46 am PT...
WOOHOO!!!! Enjoy that cell, tom!!!
Ok, enuf celebrating:
My senator, bill nelson, just emailed a response to me re john roberts, politely explaining why he's voting to confirm him.
I'm working on a reply...not done, don't have my 'end thoughts' yet..and sometimes I do go on. And on. Somebody please critique me. What did I forget?:
Dear Senator Nelson,
Re: your reasons for voting to confirm John Roberts:
This is a lifetime appointment that will affect this country for decades. Tom Delay has just been indicted. Surely I do not need to tell you about the numerous crimes and scandals that surround this administration and the attendant possibility that many more public figures will face indictment and prosecution in the near future. The word "pardon", for some reason, comes to mind.
Senator, have you honestly perused Mr. Roberts' record thoroughly? And does it not give you pause that his loyalties clearly lie with the ultra-right, PNAC idealogues who now control the White House, the House & Senate, the media and the courts?
You wrote:
"... I do not believe he will allow personal bias
or political beliefs to interfere in the administration of justice...".
I ask you, Senator, "Are you certain?"
Because it is not the spectre of mere partisan politics that I fear; it is the much larger and more ominous twin shadows of fascism and dictatorship that are looming here, that have already made their presence known to any with ears to hear and eyes to see. And it is not I who tell you this: it is history that tells you. History, and the evidence that has accumulated in recent years that no one will acknowledge, no one will examine: the 'elephant in the room', snorting, reeking, filling my country, YOUR country, with its stink.
I ask you, Senator: are you comfortable casting your lot with these others who stand for torture, for a pre-emptive war based on lies, for the treasonous outing of a CIA agent, for the rampant dissemination of disinformation and propaganda, for the smearing & firing of whistleblowers and the stifling of dissent, for blatant war-profiteering, for bloated greed & corporate welfare, for the cutting or complete elimination of desperately needed social programs for the very poor while giving massive tax cuts & eliminating the estate tax for the very rich, for the unconscionable hypocrisy of claiming to support our troops while not arming them & while cutting their benefits, for the transformation of what was an enormous surplus into the hugest deficit in our history, for the amassing of a crippling mountain of debt for our children & grandchildren, for the manipulation and apparently successful evisceration of our voting process, for the almost total lack of responsibility, decency, accountability and respect for the rule of law upon which this country, my country, YOUR country, was founded?
Please, Senator, reconsider
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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Joan
said on 9/28/2005 @ 11:51 am PT...
Linda #14,
HAHAHAHA!! "Bad"??! Hell, yes, you bad!! You ROCK, girl!!!
And thanks for the phone number too!
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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Doug Eldritch
said on 9/28/2005 @ 11:58 am PT...
Take it bleeding down you sonofabitch, you deserve everything that's coming to you......
It won't be temporary once the Federal Grand Jury convicts you for accepting illegal bribes and taking lobby junkets with Jack Abramoff and his show of friends...
What are they again, these israeli marauders? These crazy sons of bitches. They just convicted Gus Boulis' killer and a mob leader, Tony Monticello in New York......How close did that come to your shore Delay? How about Abramoff too?
You're FINISHED!!!!!!! And as for Rove & Cheney, we're coming for you, NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>8-)
Doug
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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linda6or7
said on 9/28/2005 @ 12:17 pm PT...
Joan#19
ahhh, thanks. Did u call?
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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MMIIXX
said on 9/28/2005 @ 12:55 pm PT...
Justice DELAYED is Justice Denied...
I'm sure the trolls will explain this away as being a mistake inspired by the "Liberal media" ...Tom a really nice guy ...deep down ...yea right ... is Camp X-Ray still taking guest?
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BigTobacco
said on 9/28/2005 @ 1:10 pm PT...
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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Doug Eldritch
said on 9/28/2005 @ 1:25 pm PT...
Remember this everybody?
Tom Delay: "Well boys, are we having fun? This must be so exciting being here." (Speaking about the FEMA detention camp...)
Doug
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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ewastud
said on 9/28/2005 @ 1:36 pm PT...
How about also an investigation into Dennis "Fat Boy" Hastert? The September issue of Vanity Fair had a lengthy article about Sibel Edmonds, an FBI whistleblower fired from her job for complaining about misconduct by another FBI translator who is believed to be connected with drug and arms smuggling and money laundering (and also connected with the 9/11 attack). The article's author Rose confirmed the information from other sources that the FBI wiretap communications Edmonds translated in her FBI job indicated Hastert was taking very large bribes from the American Turkish Council.
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merifour
said on 9/28/2005 @ 1:39 pm PT...
#21 I called and they hung up on me! LOL
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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BigTobacco
said on 9/28/2005 @ 1:45 pm PT...
We gotta just keep on rolling!
I have never felt so hopeful in my life. Diebold is being tested. DeLay has been indicted. Things are heating up for Frist. And Bush's approval ratings remain low.
We could actually see justice. We could actually see a significant change in the public. We CAN clean up the voting process. We CAN restore, rebuild, and renew America!!!!!!!
Celebrate Tonight!!!! And we'll pick up where we left off tomorrow! And we won't let someone co-opt our real, bona-fide people powered movement!!!!
¡Sí, Se Puede!
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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merifour
said on 9/28/2005 @ 1:49 pm PT...
#20 Doug, your on it....so am I. Abramoff and gang, this is a big story....have been researching it for awhile...need to get my ROLL of paper out to diagram all the players...this is huge. The cabal, whoops I meant wall
is falling. Can all the king's horses and all the king's men, put it back together again. (thinking to myself..maybe they will put FEMA in charge)
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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Charlie- New Orleans
said on 9/28/2005 @ 1:55 pm PT...
Did anyone see the news on Tom Flocco.com that Barbara Olson was found alive in Europe and arrested for the possession of false currency. I would love to know how legitimate this story is, because the implications are huge.
Who is she? The wife of a former Bush administration official that was supposedly on the plane that crashed into the pentagon!!! The 9/11 commission used the testimopny of her husband, who said she called him from the plane to ask how to stop the high-jackers, to verify the validity that it was in fact flight 77 that crashed into the pentagon.
Oh boy.... lots of questions, but first, is this true??
Any help out there??
Charlie New Orleans
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
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merifour
said on 9/28/2005 @ 1:58 pm PT...
#25 Sibel Edmonds, yes, she is talking. This is a huge, ugly story.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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Doug Eldritch
said on 9/28/2005 @ 2:09 pm PT...
Who cares whether tom flocco's story is true or not, check th is out:
Able Danger team KNEW Mohammed Atta before 9/11 was to take place, months before!!
Jack Abramoff who was closely associated with Atta, had Gus Boulis killed in a mob-hit run designated by neo-con opponents namely Adam Kidan.
How many things were in Cheney's closet and when did he know it?
Cheney obstructed the probe into Able Danger. If the senate hears all testimony, and realizes the truth.....that Dick Cheney thwarted the investigation to cause 9/11 to happen on purpose, THAT'S all she wrote. Cheney and all his associates are FINISHED.
The only way out of this one is if Abramoff is killed, or Mohammed Atta or all the pentagon witnesses, including Rumsfeld that KNEW. And Bush will be a un-indicted accomplice along with Theodore Olson....
Bank on it!!!!!
Doug E.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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MMIIXX
said on 9/28/2005 @ 2:30 pm PT...
Time to bring up Jeb's involvement in shutting down the Raymond Lemme "suicide" investigation as well.
Any whistleblowers out there ,now might be a good time to come forward, the life boats won't wait forever...
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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Doug Eldritch
said on 9/28/2005 @ 2:36 pm PT...
Anyone got the email for the Florida special prosecutor?
Jeb boy has alot of things to answer for about Jack Abramoff....
Doug
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
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nuclearchemist
said on 9/28/2005 @ 2:51 pm PT...
Don't get you hopes up to high guys (and gals). He was only indicted not convicted. And what were the charges? Money from corporations cannot go to a candidate. So, the money was sent to the RNC and the RNC then cut a check back to the Texas RNC so the money could go to the candidates. A sort of money laundering. But guess what....
On October 31, 2002, the Texas Democratic Party sent the Democratic National Committee (DNC) $75,000, and on the same day, the DNC sent the Texas Democratic Party $75,000. On July 19, 2001, the Texas Democratic Party sent the DNC $50,000 and, again on the same day, the DNC sent the Texas Democratic Party $60,000. On June 8, 2001, the Texas Democratic Party sent the DNC $50,000. That very same day, the DNC sent the Texas Democratic Party $60,000.
Sure looks like laundering to me.... and lets not forget...
Earlier this year, the Federal Election Commission fined two so-called leadership PACs associated with Pelosi in response to a Complaint by the National Legal and Policy Center. The purpose of leadership PACs is to make contributions to the campaigns of other Congressional candidates. House and Senate Leaders are allowed one leadership PAC in addition to their own campaign committee.
Pelosi set up two. Her second PAC made $5,000 contributions to thirty-six campaigns that had already received the $5,000 maximum from the first. The treasurer of both PACs candidly admitted that the "main reason" for setting up the second PAC was to "give twice as much (sic) hard dollars."
For some reason, I don't think that news item made it on Brad's blog. I wonder why?????
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
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Neo
said on 9/28/2005 @ 3:29 pm PT...
#34
So indict them all nuclear and be done with it. You seem to like deflecting from the fact that Delay has been reprimanded 3 times for breaking the rules why is it so far off that he's guilty of this one too? This is just a criminal conspiracy charge there's more left of the story so just wait and see.
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 9/28/2005 @ 3:33 pm PT...
I'm glad he's been indicted - he's filthy as the day is long.
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merifour
said on 9/28/2005 @ 3:38 pm PT...
#34 Indeed! You do the dems and we'll do the repubs. So many players and so much corruption...both parties, I agree.
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
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A Concerned Citizen
said on 9/28/2005 @ 3:39 pm PT...
#14 Linda - I'm laughing my ass off over here. Great going. Wonder if that number will be changed soon? lol
#15 ThomNYC - Unfortunately, that's been my main thought since I heard this happened. Like they'll do anything about it. That's nothing compared to MAJOR things people in this administration have done, that kill people even. They do walk away untouched. Usually a promotion follows. I'm not dancing yet either.
They're all crooked as hell. Dem and Rep.
#18 Joan - Go for it! It's a done deal, however. Tomorrow will mark the beginning of the end for us all. Roberts isn't experienced and is tied to the family clan. Who needs experience when the shots will be called by Bush anyways? He doesn't want someone honest. Can't wait to hear who his next choice is....hopefully he/she will have some actual experience. Nahhhh, it will be another good 'ole drinking buddy from his good 'ole days.
I'm beginning to think Bush's grandfather's and greatgrandfather's direct ties to Nazi-ism, has spread. Are we getting close to concentration camps? Don't laugh, GOOGLE ON "PRESCOTT BUSH". You'll need a beer. You'll see what's driving most of everything going down. Sure seems like it's been to the point, "Oh you have proof and witnesses? Well fuck off, don't you say a word about it." Then just silence. It's worked for 5 years now. Morals, laws and We the People? Hell no, just silence.
Criminals are amuck. Hopefully we'll see many many more falling. Come on, whistleblowers! Don't you long for a good night's sleep?? Don't you want to be part of history, where America fights back and barely saves their asses?? History books will need a separate chapter, for the Bush administration, just to cover the illegal activities. Hopefully there will be a chapter to follow, "America the Beautiful Returns"
)
I do get some satisfaction, however, when I close my eyes and picture Bush (with drink in hand of course) dialing a shitload of people up on the phone, trying to stay ahead of the lies and illegal cover-ups and silence. He absolutely screams at people, from what I've read, and nobody wants to be the one to deliver bad news. hehehe Hasn't been heaven in the White House lately, huh??? So, if you picture him struggling, it gives some satisfaction. Wonder if he's getting passed-out drunk, or just slobberish??
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
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Beufort B. Redneck
said on 9/28/2005 @ 3:43 pm PT...
Howdy folks,
You know, some people call me racist just because I'm from a small town from Georgia and belonged to the KKK. But you know what, now that I'm a sheriff in Butte Montana, I can say look at my record!!! This year, I sent 137 white boys to jail and only 5 African Americans!!! See, my record shows I'm not biased!!!! Hehehe... we only got 5 African Americans living in Butte and I gottem for spitten on the sidewalk. Man, I can have fun playing with numbers
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
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MMIIXX
said on 9/28/2005 @ 3:54 pm PT...
repost:
re: trolls
“I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of great complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth, if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven thread by thread into the fabric of their lives.
Leo Tolstoy.
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Doug Eldritch
said on 9/28/2005 @ 3:59 pm PT...
So throw Pelosi in jail too Nuclear, sorry but its time for a full house cleaning!
That freak has betrayed the public's trust by being too close to AIPAC and money bribes.....I wish I could speak without such words against Pelosi, but she betrayed us to corporations.....
I say just lock all 5 of em up with Abramoff.
Doug E.
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
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A Concerned Citizen
said on 9/28/2005 @ 4:29 pm PT...
RE: Tom Delay
Hey you guys, Tom told a little lie today under oath.
http://www.gov.state.la....elease_detail.asp?id=976
That's the state's request for help to Bush. Tommy said it did not include the perish containing New Orleans, so foul ball, we're off the hook. Well......not according to this copy. Stating New Orleans ITSELF should have given the guy a clue, what an ass.
What does telling a lie under oath getcha nowadays? He'll be back on the payroll fulltime and running something soon, big promotion.
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
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George Walker Bullshit
said on 9/28/2005 @ 4:31 pm PT...
You can't indict Tom DeLay! He's my buddy! He's innocent! I won't let him go to prison! I'm going to stop that Travis County District Attorney! Why does he pick on republicans all the time? He can't gang up on republicans; I won't let him! Hands off Tom DeLay! And what's more I'm the President and you can't touch me! You can't touch my buddy Tom! I'll show you!
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
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MMIIXX
said on 9/28/2005 @ 4:52 pm PT...
George Walker Bullshit ...pardon
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
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linda6or7
said on 9/28/2005 @ 4:59 pm PT...
Merifour #26 haha, I guess they don't like our opinions. I wonder how many calls they got today.
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
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MarkH
said on 9/28/2005 @ 5:01 pm PT...
Delay indicted:
Isn't it just wonderful?
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 9/28/2005 @ 5:03 pm PT...
You gotta visit Chris Floyd's PhotoShop page! Hilarious!!
Fun with photoshop
Sample:
ROTFLMAO!!!!!
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
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A Concerned Citizen
said on 9/28/2005 @ 5:08 pm PT...
I can't keep all the crooks straight!!!
Sorry, post #42 is concerning Brown.
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 9/28/2005 @ 5:42 pm PT...
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Nana
said on 9/28/2005 @ 6:06 pm PT...
Thanks for that Kira! I didn't know about that page. *hiccup* Funny!
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charles in vermont
said on 9/28/2005 @ 6:36 pm PT...
Did people see this?
3 Charged in Killing Of Fla. Businessman
"Fort Lauderdale police said yesterday that they charged three men in the 2001 gangland-style slaying of a Florida businessman who was gunned down in his car months after selling a casino cruise line to a group that included Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff."
I have got to believe the wheels are just about to fall of the car. It could be a big crash
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]
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MMIIXX
said on 9/28/2005 @ 6:38 pm PT...
BUSHW@CKER this comment sounds familiar...
"They need to know the way we're adapting our tactics, and the way we're changing our strategies to meet the needs on the ground."
just like they adapt and change their excuses for the invasion ...
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
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Doug Eldritch
said on 9/28/2005 @ 6:42 pm PT...
Hey who's working towards getting Chertoff thrown out?
This guy belongs in jail, cronyism once again equal or exceeding David Safavian.
Doug
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
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Doug Eldritch
said on 9/28/2005 @ 7:09 pm PT...
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]
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MMIIXX
said on 9/28/2005 @ 7:25 pm PT...
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sojo
said on 9/28/2005 @ 7:32 pm PT...
Yeah don't they get that attacking the prosecutor will only backfire. After a while its just gonna sound like white noise. 1st Delay, then Frist, and what about when the Plame indictments start? That line's gonna wear really quick.
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
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Nana
said on 9/28/2005 @ 7:40 pm PT...
I missed that Charles, thanks for posting it. Honestly, i didn't think anyone would ever be charged for that murder. Sure be interesting if they talk, got my fingers crossed.
COMMENT #58 [Permalink]
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NuclearChemist
said on 9/28/2005 @ 9:02 pm PT...
Wow, has anyone actually looked at Delay's indictment at http://www.thesmokinggun...chive/0928051delay1.html
Page 2 and half of page 3 details who did what and I find the other two guys actions discussed but there isn't a single thing about Delay!!!! I don't think the gavel is going to be out of Delay's hand very long.
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]
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Truth Seeker
said on 9/28/2005 @ 9:04 pm PT...
Thank you, Texas. One by one the BCFOL will fall. When history is written, this group will make everyone forget about Nixon.
COMMENT #60 [Permalink]
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Truth Seeker
said on 9/28/2005 @ 9:08 pm PT...
Thank you, Texas! One by one the BCFOL will fall. When history is written, this group will make everyone forget about Nixon.
COMMENT #61 [Permalink]
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Doug Eldritch
said on 9/28/2005 @ 9:33 pm PT...
Nuclear,
I hate to say this but nice try.
Who did TRMPAC report to, and who did the lobbyists write their letters for?
Tom Delay.
Who does Colyandro work for?
Tom Delay.
Who knew that the contributions and election law had been broken, and that illegal redistricting plans were in place by James Ellis?
Tom Delay.
What he knew is the whole purpose. He created TRMPAC. You're telling me he didn't have any part of its operation at all, given the evidence of the check records, WESTAR energy paying money to his campaign, or the large influx of lobbyist junkets?
That's like claiming that somehow Sandy Berger didn't know that his friends were passing on NSA information which he then dispersed...and is innocent of all charges.
That's like claiming by some miracle Rep. Randy Cunningham didn't know MZL Inc. was putting defense contractor money into his bank account, and is therefore innocent of all charges.
That's like claiming that arrested AIPAC official Steve Rosen, didn't know a thing about Larry Franklin's passing on defense information to israeli government.
Seriously, this is like defending Nixon's crew. He damn well did know, and the checkstubs prove it. (Along with the lobby receipts)
Doug
COMMENT #62 [Permalink]
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NuclearChemist
said on 9/28/2005 @ 9:53 pm PT...
Doug,
Ronnie Earle argues that Tom DeLay conspired to make a contribution to a political party in violation of the Texas Election Code. There was no contribution to a political party in violation of the Texas Election Code. There was no conspiracy. Ronnie Earle is wrong on the facts. Ronnie Earle is wrong on the law.
According to the indictment, the conspiracy was to unlawfully make a political contribution of corporate funds to a political party within 60 days of an election.
The Texas Election Code clearly states that "A corporation or labor organization may not knowingly make a contribution [to a political party] during a period beginning on the 60th day before the date of a general election for state and county officers and continuing through the day of the election." Title 15, Texas Election Code, § 253.104. Texas law also states in part that "A person commits criminal conspiracy if, with intent that a felony be committed: (1) he agrees with one or more persons that they or one or more of them engage in conduct that would constitute the offense; and (2) he or one or more of them performs an overt act in pursuance of the agreement."
The Problems with Earle's case:
In an effort to contrive jurisdiction over DeLay, Earle charges that because Congressman DeLay may have known about the transaction before it occurred, he was then part of a conspiracy.
However, Earle's office has sworn testimony and other exculpatory evidence showing that Congressman DeLay did not have knowledge of the transaction.
In addition:
No corporation or labor organization was indicted in this conspiracy. Neither Jim Ellis nor John Colyandro is a corporation or labor organization.
No corporation or labor organization made a contribution during 60 days of an election.
What constitutes a contribution under the Texas Election Code is not strictly defined.
Neither the RNC nor RNSEC constitute a political party under Texas election law. They are considered PACs, just as the DNC is.
Corporations in Texas could have legally made contributions to the RNC or RNSEC during the period in question under Texas election law.
There was no violation of the Texas Election Code. There was no conspiracy. The underlying transaction was legal. Had corporations sent money directly to the RNC or RNSEC, the transaction would be legal. How could anyone conspire to do indirectly what could legally have been done directly?
COMMENT #63 [Permalink]
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NuclearChemist
said on 9/28/2005 @ 9:58 pm PT...
Doug,
Earle press conference aired on Fox News.
Someone asks about the vagueness of the DeLay indictment.
Q: What role did DeLay actually play? Earle has no concrete answer.
Q: What is the proof DeLay conspired? Again, no concrete answer.
COMMENT #64 [Permalink]
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NuclearChemist
said on 9/28/2005 @ 10:09 pm PT...
Doug,
You also forgot one:
Two of Schumer's staffers, Katie Barge and Lauren Weiner, used Steele's Social Security number to fraudulently get his credit history.
Since Schumer knew of this federal crime for two months and didn't report it, doesn't that make him an accessory to a crime????
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Doug Eldritch
said on 9/28/2005 @ 10:16 pm PT...
Nuclear,
Why give away the smoking gun to the "press"?
Here's the facts: Westar Energy WAS indicted and fined already for over $180,000. Several of their people were indicted.
TRMPAC was indicted. Those are all corporations, and they are all FACTS, with bearing on legal standing.
If Delay had not known about the illegal fundraising for Texas, he would have stunning evidence to prove otherwise or a whistleblower. Such a case has not come forward.
This is nothing but Delay's grandstanding on federal charges. He's done it with every lobbyist who EVER junketed with him.....
Read more about these important legal specifications here:
Westar fined in legal battle
TRMPAC Indicted and arraigned for its use of illegal funding.
Delay was indicted and arraigned by the Grand Jury
And it was not Earle, but the Grand Jury who issued all the indictments. Earle prosecuted for them but the Jury wrote the felony charges.
I don't blame you for being out of date about these specifics, but the jargon is plain as day: You do NOT privately accumulate funds from your donors and political cronies in exchange for favors.
Especially if those favors include redistricting for congressional seats, and of course, legislation that helps corporations loot.
Its easy what happens to a citizen in that case.....Bribery charges, 10 year prison sentence.
For a politician, those laws are more lenient, but just as strict when it comes to over hundreds of thousands of dollars in corporate money
Doug E.
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Doug Eldritch
said on 9/28/2005 @ 10:28 pm PT...
There was no violation of the Texas Election Code. There was no conspiracy.
There WAS over 80 different violations of the Election code, including paying off different political fundraising outfits in exchange for favors.
Its fine if you make a contribution. However, if you make a blatantly large contribution, re-district entire cities, or do anything suspicious with that money.....you're bound to the law. And when you do it for the "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" mentality...... its detrimental to the public and you are once again bound to the law.
Multiple democrats and republicans have been charged with crimes, as a result of these laws. They are designated to put stricter rules on corporations, even though they frequently try to break these rules and go around them.
Look at the overall deal here: This is not one simple "forgery" by schumers staff. This is a complex money re-districting scheme, wasting taxpayers money and benefitting corporations only.
Its a pay to play bribery scheme, like that is in Ohio. Governor Taft went down on fines for his scam. DO YOU BELIEVE ANY SUCH THING IS LEGAL?
No chance, no chance in hell.
Doug E.
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NuclearChemist
said on 9/28/2005 @ 10:34 pm PT...
Doug,
The Federal Election Commission yesterday fined Westar Energy Inc., two former corporate officers and the firm's lobbyist a total of $40,500...
"it admitted in a conciliation agreement that it violated campaign laws by engaging 'on two separate occasions in the practice of facilitating corporate contributions to candidates for federal office.' Corporations are barred from contributing to federal campaigns."
http://www.democrats.org...5/08/an_episode_of_t.php
How is TRMPAC now a FEDRAL office/campaign???
COMMENT #68 [Permalink]
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NuclearChemist
said on 9/28/2005 @ 10:38 pm PT...
Doug,
"Its a pay to play bribery scheme, like that is in Ohio. Governor Taft went down on fines for his scam. DO YOU BELIEVE ANY SUCH THING IS LEGAL?"
Taft was convicted for not REPORTING free golf games and hockey tickets. There was no "scam". If he had reported them, then he wouldn't have been in trouble.
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Doug Eldritch
said on 9/28/2005 @ 10:50 pm PT...
*Ahem*
Nuclear, read the fine print.
TAB is a corporation listing over 80 businesses, many based only in Texas, and has violated many many accounts of Texas law.
TRMPAC and ARMPAC are both funded and operated by Delay & his associate Jim Ellis. How in the world are they NOT a federal office PAC if they are putting money into the payroll of most Congress in Washington D.C.?
If they're doing it in return for favors, its agains the law hence the fines to Westar. And by the way the SCAM involving Taft, was he got paid large sums of money by the lobbyists to go golfing. He was wined and dined to pass legislation, and hence he has gone quiet about the Thomas Noe scam. Its pay to play.
Read the fine print Nuclear, a pay to play scheme where the politician receives checks, private trips, and expensive dinners from people who want FAVORABLE laws written....or erased for them. In this case, the ENTIRE OHIO PUBLIC paid the price, because the Workers Compensation fund got stolen by Taft's cronies.
So PAY TO PLAY is what it is. The law doesn't discriminate.
Doug E
COMMENT #70 [Permalink]
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Doug Eldritch
said on 9/29/2005 @ 1:34 am PT...
EWASTUD:
You might cringe at this, but I believe its about time to spread this far and wide. I've been getting this over email and elsewhere.
ALL POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS FROM AIPAC: 1997-2004 AND COUNTING
Compiled by Hugh Galford
House: Current Cycle
Hoyer, Steny (D-MD) $37,500
Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana (R-FL) 36,000
Berkley, Shelley (D-NV) 35,100
Lantos, Tom (D-CA) 31,600
Frost, Martin (D-TX) 31,300
Cantor, Eric (R-VA) 23,750
Crowley, Joseph (D-NY) 23,000
DeLay, Tom (R-TX) 23,000
Lowey, Nita (D-NY) 20,650
Pelosi, Nancy (D-CA) 20,650
House: Career
Berkley, Shelley (D-NV) $201,455
Frost, Martin (D-TX) 165,414
Engel, Eliot (D-NY) 137,918
Levin, Sander (D-MI) 113,727
Lowey, Nita (D-NY) 109,738
Lantos, Tom (D-CA) 107,250
Hoyer, Steny (D-MD) 92,275
Evans, Lane (D-IL) 87,379
Harman, Jane (D-CA) 86,271
DeLay, Tom (R-TX) 81,050
Senate: Current Cycle
Specter, Arlen (R-PA) $80,350
Boxer, Barbara (D-CA) 73,000
Murray, Patty (D-WA) 72,495
Daschle, Tom (D-SD) 70,500
Reid, Harry (D-NV) 64,999
Bayh, Evan (D-IN) 56,500
Bennett, Robert (R-UT) 55,750
Wyden, Ronald (D-OR) 55,000
Brownback, Samuel (R-KS) 50,850
Shelby, Richard (R-AL) 38,500
Senate: Career
Daschle, Tom (D-SD) $533,635
Specter, Arlen (R-PA) 461,973
Lautenberg, Frank (D-NJ) 433,806
Durbin, Richard (D-IL) 326,671
Reid, Harry (D-NV) 318,801
Wyden, Ronald (D-OR) 255,562
Lieberman, Joseph (D-CT) 227,758
Boxer, Barbara (D-CA) 223,794
Dodd, Christopher (D-CT) 221,178
Conrad, Kent (D-ND) 201,939
Pro-Israel PAC Contributions to 2004 Congressional Candidates
2003-2004 Career
State Office District Candidate Party Status Contributions Total Committees
Alabama S Shelby, Richard* R I 38,500 193,325 A(FO)
H 2 Everett, Terry R I 6,000 15,000 AS, I
H 3 Rogers, Michael R I 5,000 8,000 AS
H 4 Aderholt, Robert R I 2,000 13,500 A
H 5 Cramer, Bud D I 1,000 44,800 A, I
H 6 Bachus, Spencer R I 2,000 12,500
H 7 Davis, Artur D I 6,500 68,067 B
Alaska S Murkowski, Frank R N 1,000 65,000
S Knowles, Tony* D C 5,150 5,150
S Murkowski, Lisa* R I 34,600 34,600
S Stevens, Ted R I 1,000 68,200 A(D)
Arizona S Kyl, Jon R I 1,000 78,525
H 8 Kolbe, James R I -1,000 43,000 A(FO)
Arkansas S Lincoln, Blanche* D I 30,500 43,527
H 3 Delay,