Blogged by Brad Friedman on 11/21/2005 2:27PM  
(While Election Results Themselves Continue Un-Investigated)

The oft-cited pollster Mark Blumenthal, who writes about all matters related to polling and its methodology on his Mystery Pollster blog, has posted the results of his analysis/investigation into what he feels may have gone awry in the Columbus Dispatch polling just prior to the November 8th election in Ohio.

We've previously reported on the final results of the five initiatives on the ballot in the Buckeye State two weeks ago - four of them part of an Election Reform package --- and the "staggeringly impossible" disparities, as we described them, revealed by those results when compared to the results of the Dispatch's final pre-election polling. To catch anybody up who hasn't seen the numbers, here's one set of them:

ISSUE 3 (Revise campaign contribution limits)
PRE-POLLING: 61% Yes, 25% No, 14% Undecided
FINAL RESULT: 33% Yes, 66% No

Blumenthal deserves kudos for his serious and detailed investigation into both the Dispatch survey's "long and remarkable history of success," as he describes it, and where he feels they might have gone so astoundingly wrong this year for the very first time. He points to a few changes in the methodology for the poll; the Dispatch didn't use the precise text of the initiatives in its survey; included an "Undecided" option for the first time; an examination of the data seems to show the poll occurred at a time that the electorate was in the process of changing its opinions on the issues; and finally that many voters found the text of the actual ballot initiatives to be long and confusing leading them to take the safer vote of "No" when they were not clear about what they were actually voting for.

Where he doesn't deserve credit is in his approach which presumes from the start that there must be something wrong with the polling itself --- but not the Election Results --- to explain the unprecedented disparity between the polling and the final results of the actual election.

As a pollster himself, he surely knows that it's quite simple to construct a poll in such a way that one can get back results which match just about any pre-determined outcome an unscrupulous pollster may hope for. Similarly, as with Blumenthal's earlier efforts to examine the disparity of Exit Poll Results vs. Final Election Results in last November's Presidential Election, his approach presumes from the get-go that the polling, not the results, are incorrect...and now we just need to figure out why.

Fair enough, in general. No doubt the articles we've written about the Ohio '05 election results, as well as the one from Fitrakis and Wasserman at Free Press, tend to presume that the election results are suspect, more so than the polling or its methodology.

The difference, however, is that while we welcome the search for reasons why the Dispatch's historically accurate poll might suddenly have failed for the first time in such an unprecedented matter, we have as much or more reason to be skeptical of Ohio's Electoral System which has been documented as full of unquestionable corruption and all-sorts of top-to-bottom malfeasance. Particularly over the last year or so since the Presidential Election.

In other words: Sure, we can, and should, go looking for reasons why the Dispatch poll might have failed so mightily for the first time in its history, as others (including Blumenthal) did with the Exit Polls from November '04 which also --- just a coincidence, we know --- failed so hugely for the first time in their history. We can likely find anomalies to somewhat explain what might justify a pre-determined conclusion that Election Results are right and Pre-Election Polling must be wrong. But why would Blumenthal, or anybody else, have reason to believe that scientifically run polls with methodologies developed and honed over decades, run by pollsters with (theoretically) no dog in the hunt, should be less reliable than an Electoral System being run on newly developed, newly introduced technology employing secret software that nobody inspects for validity or integrity? All of which is run on machines which have a tremendous and documented known failure rate and are run by partisan officials with not just a stake in the outcome, but whose very livelihoods (in the case of the recent Ohio initiatives, as well as last November's election) are at stake in the final results. ...

We'll mention again here that 44 of Ohio's 88 counties used all-new Electronic Voting Machines for the very first time in their recent election, and that virtually all of Ohio uses either demonstrably hackable and unsecured Electronic Voting Machines and/or Electronic Central Tabulating Machines to carry out their elections. A branch of the U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security warned the machines are hackable prior to the '04 Presidential Election, and a non-partisan GAO report confirmed as much within the past month.

Blumenthal's analysis of the Dispatch poll, which is very thorough, and we encourage you to read it for yourself, takes pains to examine the minutiae and detailed methodology of the way the Dispatch numbers were gathered. But no such effort is made to look at all into the way that J. Kenneth Blackwell (Ohio's highly partisan Secretary of State, whose job was at stake in the election) gathered his numbers.

That is not Blumenthal's fault, per se. He is, after all, an expert in polling and not election systems, equipment or management. And indeed, he gives a nod at the end of his analysis to the fraud theory that Fitrakis and Wasserman strongly point towards in their article and that we did as well in ours (those less by direct accusation, and more by implication). But the "Fraud" theory is clearly an afterthought for Blumenthal. Or, at least, offered for brief discussion only once he finds whatever possible anomalies he can in the Dispatch's polling methodology.

But Blumenthal himself admits throughout his analysis that even his compelling possible case for the "reasons why the Dispatch poll could have been wrong," [emphasis ours] to use his own words, the case to explain the enormous disparity with the Final Election Results is difficult to justify. Despite the various tweaks in methodology that the Dispatch used this year, Blumenthal acknowledges at various times that "things were much different in this election," and "Unfortunately, we may never know definitively" the reasons for that disparity.

We take only one major exception to the way Blumenthal characterized our article, when he says:

Fitrakis, Wasserman and Friedman "Brad" [sic] seem to think polls (or at least, those polls that produce results they like) are imbued with magical powers that make them impervious to error. They are not.

While wouldn't presume to speak for Fitrakis and Wasserman, we don't believe we've ever suggested anything of the kind. Indeed, we discussed margin of error in the poll and its confidence rate. Our point, however, is that when you've got two different suspects for one murder case, one suspect with a long rap-sheet filled with all manner of homicides, theft, and general malfeasance, and the other is a Priest, an Eagle Scout, and a 4-Star General, we'd take a good long hard look at the known Criminal before presuming that the Saint must have done it. Even while either of them could have done it, Blumenthal presumes, without reason, that the Priest was likely the guilty party.

And where he finally throws a reluctant bone towards the possibility that the ex-con with a history of murder just might have killed again (he offers the legal speculation that the "paper 'tab' printout receipts" from the electronic voting machines might be accessible via public records requests after "the official count is complete and certified") he misses the biggest point of all:

If the polling of human beings for accurate information about their opinions has become such a tediously documented "science" over so many years of development, to the point where the smallest changes in methodology can effect the entire outcome, and to the point where an examination of any such changes are actually possible, and also revealing, how is it that he doesn't recognize the enormous sea-change in results that can occur in actual elections when the entire methodology used for decades is thrown out in favor of untested new methods which cannot be verified, audited, or examined because the entire methodology for gathering that data is a "proprietary trade secret" and the data itself is never made available for complete public inspection?!

All the while, as Blumenthal has ample reason to be dubious of any data gathered via Pre-Election Polling, he seems to fail to recognize entirely that with elections in a democracy the mere introduction of myriad new reasons to be dubious about the results is, in and of itself, a threat to the very core of our way of self-selected governance. As a pollster himself, Blumenthal should recognize that fact as much as anybody and join those of us who give a damn about that democracy, by calling for an end to the tsunami of unverifiable, unaccountable, untransparent Electronic Voting Machines run by secret software which is now flooding into our Electoral System in this country with virtually zero oversight or checks and balances.

We suspect Blumenthal wouldn't put much stock in a similarly "faith-based" polling methodology where pollsters tell him "trust us, the methodology we use is very very good, you don't need to actually examine any of it to have complete confidence in our results." So we'd hope that he --- as much as anyone --- would understand that the results of an election where the methodology is allowed to be held as a secret "proprietary trade secret," should be similarly suspect and taken for what it's worth. Which is, as far as we can tell in America 2005, worth very little and decreasingly so every damned day.

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READER COMMENTS ON
"'Mystery Pollster' Blumenthal Analyzes Columbus Dispatch Polling of Ohio '05 Election"
(11 Responses so far...)

COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
... Shannon Williford said on 11/21/2005 @ 3:59 pm PT...


And I thought this fight would be so easy...
Back a year ago when we began gathering groups of people who looked at the election information and started saying, "wait a minute..." - back then it seemed like it would be so easy. It seemed we could just point out the facts to the American people, who we believed knew it was important for each of us to be able to vote and have our vote counted. We thought it would be so OBVIOUS that we need a paper ballot, verified by the voter, to use to count the votes, so that if there was any question, the votes could be re-counted...
obvious.
I find myself in a constant state of depression as I fight this fight. It's a fight I don't wanna fight, I have a life to live, things to do, but now this - fighting for everybody's right to vote - has become my life. Thanks Brad for keeping us posted on what's happening; and thanks Bradbloggers for being there to help me deal with this monster of a problem, the biggest threat to our nation since nuclear proliforation, at least. This problem dwarfs all others, and the lack of it being on the radar screen of the media is more depressing every day...
I truly start to worry as it becomes obvious that they - the bad guys - are REALLY bad guys, and apparantly will do anything to win... America and democracy be damned.
I never wanted to be a conspiracy theorist; never wanted to be thought of by some of my friends as some kinda freaky Don Queote (sp?), tilting at the election windmill, just like some are tilting at the aliens and some at Elvis...
Depressing...
Maybe, as Bob Koehler has stated, this is how the patriots felt back in the 1770s. They didn't wanna save their nation, but they HAD to...
Here we go. Let's do it.

peace out
shw


COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
... Brad said on 11/21/2005 @ 4:15 pm PT...


Keep on, keepin' on SHW. If fighting for truth, justice and the American way was easy, it wouldn't take super heroes to do it.


COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
... Robert Lockwood Mills said on 11/21/2005 @ 4:15 pm PT...


It's remarkable, really. After all these months, and all these revelations about crooked folks in Ohio, that an intelligent and sincere person would conclude that a wide discrepancy between polls and tabluated votes must be resolved by assuming the polls were in error.

Earth to everyone out there...the votes are rigged!

Let me repeat that...THE VOTES ARE RIGGED!


COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
... epppie said on 11/21/2005 @ 4:36 pm PT...


Shannon, if I've learned anything from all this, I think it is that Democracy only lives on if each generation in turn becomes a "greatest generation". Each generation in turn has to fight for freedom and liberty and democracy. We, it seems, are no different.

Blumenthal made it clear in his first post on the subject that he was going into his investigation already assuming that the problem was with the polling. That pretty much invalidated his investigation, in my eyes and I think it should in any reasonable person's eyes.

But I guess the question that must be asked is "what is reasonable in a world that's insane?"

"Reasonable people" all across this country, on both sides of the political aisle have apparently decided that whenever polls and election results conflict, outside of the Ukraine, polls must be wrong and election results must be correct, no matter how much evidence piles up that the folks running elections aren't always honest, that election machines look like fraud waiting to happen or not waiting, that voter suppression is not only a commonplace of American voting, at least in battleground states, but positively a central theme, and so on.

I think that there are Republicans out there who have participated in election fraud because of unbalanced notions of patriotism in a time of war. I think that some of those Republicans are starting to rethink what they've done. IF a few start coming forward, the Stolen Election issue and the Election Fraud issue in general may gain just a little more traction. Bit by bit.

You know, Blumenthal has been forced to skirt the issue. With him, that's big progress, as far as I can tell. He'll stave it off as long as he can, but I'm sure that some day even he will have to admit that something stinks.


COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
... jazzolog said on 11/22/2005 @ 2:39 am PT...


Hopefully the Dispatch will reply with an editorial.


COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
... Dredd said on 11/22/2005 @ 3:44 am PT...


The strategy of the fascists must be to take the focus away from where it belongs.

And to tell a lie big enough that it will tend to be believed.

The neoCons have boiled it down to an attack on the victim rather than the perpetrator.

It is as if the old form of rape defense has been re-incarnated into the election realm.

The people are getting raped, the people who are the voters are being blamed instead of those in authority over elections.

Blame the victim voter seems to be the strategy of the neoCons.


COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
... Miss Persistent said on 11/22/2005 @ 7:47 am PT...


With all due respect, I have never trusted Mystery Pollster. Back in Nov 2004, I could have sworn his on-screen credentials included one of the major news channels and that he was defending them. I went back some time later and couldn't find that reference. Might have been imaginary on my part but it would be good to know.

I might add that, IMHO, a change in methodology is really only potentially problematic when trend data are involved and a trend is broken. Sometimes improvements in methodology need to be weighed against breaking trend data. Nonetheless, Accuracy is not considered "trend" data. Haha. The presumption that the methodological change prompted such huge errors rather than reasonable standard error is hardly believable. Blips maybe but that's about it. This was no blip.


COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
... epppie said on 11/22/2005 @ 8:10 am PT...


Czar, I think that they could not allow the election initiatives to pass because that would imply strongly that elections really are a major concern in Ohio, as evidenced by the concern of the voters, and that would be an absolutely huge step towards legitimizing Stolen Election concerns. They had to do whatever it took to scuttle those initiatives.

I think that where they went wrong was that they simply could not resist reaching into the cookie jar for the pork initiative.

The result is, so to speak, a partial victory for "them" and a partial victory for "us". By apparently letting one initiative pass and busting the other three, they showed their hand. But they did manage to squelch the legitimization that allowing any of the election initiatives to pass would have given to Stolen Election concerns.


COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
... MarkH said on 11/22/2005 @ 8:23 am PT...


Even with the individuals who have been indicted and 'taken out of play' there are still problems. This is to be expected when you face a VAST right-wing conspiracy. We have work to do. There are a lot more of the evil buggers out there.

I say we should use the courts to get them. Congress won't do oversight and the DOJ won't investigate & prosecute their own. The media isn't going to do it, so who's left but Bloggers, ordinary citizens and US Attorney's like Fitzgerald?

Saving America, one indictment at a time.


COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
... czaragorn said on 11/22/2005 @ 12:53 pm PT...


I see what just happened in Ohio as a deliberately in-your-face gambit by the bad guys to force the issue. If they can pull this one off, they're home free, and our democracy is history. Such a trough full of slops! We have to make a stand here - we've got them dead to rights, and we dare not let them get away with this one! I urge us all to unleash an ungodly howl. This must not stand!


COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
... Doug Eldritch said on 11/23/2005 @ 10:42 pm PT...


I don't think the DOJ is headed by Gonzales anymore...

He's the only crony who was running "smear whitewash campaigns" and most of the power is out of Gonzales hands now, so if everyone turns the process upside down here and gets these guys indicted the DOJ & enforcement officers will do their job....

But you got the idea there Mark.

Doug E.


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