Thanks I will forward this to the members of the St. Louis County BEC. They are meeting tomorow to vote on a company to give the contract to.

The key problems Diebold will face is the subtle trap regarding interpreted code.

The FEC standards prohibit it; read carefully, the Sec. State is requiring them to submit THE INTERPRETER to the ITAs. I.E., it is illegal on its face and the sec. state is forcing the ITAs to admit it or look like criminals themselves.

More on the specific traps, including the violation of the prohibition against nonstandard code (which is what AccuBasic is, also the files ordered for review), see http://www.blackboxvoting.org

On an earlier note, someone here asked me if Black Box Voting had purloined any documents from dumpsters showing payments to Jack Abramoff. I replied that we had not. I was reviewing more on this today. Yes, I suppose there is a connection, because we have a check stub and a financial statement entry to Greenberg Traurig, the firm Abramoff was associated with.

Bev Harris

Another slash in Diebold's tires!!

This temporarily removes them from California.

Now, what we need to do is convince McPherson that the ITA is corrupt period, and if he intends to resolve this matter it must be done in public-period.

Clearly, there has been alot of misinformation from Diebold in CA about "Black Box Voting" and other watchdogs being on a "witch hunt"...

If you want to disprove or prove those claims, lets do it in open court. Secretary of State McPherson should call back Mrs. Harris and Black Box Voting as well as their attorney to clear the record.

Then they should inform Diebold that the testing protocols will be chosen by the STATE, not the vendor and the Hacking test should commence immediately.

The most important thing period is a reliable system. Diebold uses secret code which is built to hide vote-switching such as Curtis's program. It is NOT reliable!

It was built for fraud. The last thing either party wants is more stolen elections. Now, lets resolve this matter in public and FORCE Diebold out- and Liberty Systems or AutoMark IN!

Doug E

Bev,

Thanks for the tip. My worst fears have been realized then it seems....the "lobbyists" work for the bankers, and the bankers are all connected to the voting scam.

This is how we got this congress to begin with is my belief. Now I wonder if the republic will get us out of it....Abramoff is singing like a canary

Doug

Unbelievable, isn't it? I have spent the last few years annoying ALL my friends and family about how the GOP stole the last SEVERAL elections....usually getting the "it can't happen here" response. "We have checks in place", they said. Yeah, large checks, made out to all the Right people. The MSM has been doing a pretty good job of avoiding this whole story.....because the country is going to finally wake up, like a groggy partier with a BAD hangover, and wonder WHAT THE FUCK THE MSM HAS BEEN DOING ALL ALONG.

This whole thing makes me feel like I'm playing a keno ticket, and my first 4-of-8 have hit, with 15 balls to go.

Thanks for putting up the good fight, Ms. Harris (and to Brad, and the good posters here, as well).

Off topic, but I found the top 10 mutual funds that Hold Diebold as top 10 investments.... Also, T-Rowe Price has a big share in Diebold as well as Choicepoint.... so Divest immediately of any of these mutual funds if you have them in your portfolio... tell your other activists the same...

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MUTUAL FUNDS WITH DBD (DIEBOLD) AS A TOP 10 HOLDING
Symbol Name % Assets
AVEDX
AVE MARIA RISING DIVIDEND FUND 3.07
CDGCX
CRAFWORD DIVIDEND GROWTH FUND C 3.51
CDGIX
CRAWFORD DIVIDEND GROWTH FUND C 3.51
RSEAX
REGIONS MORGAN KEEGAN SELECT MI 3.29
RSECX
REGIONS MORGAN KEEGAN SELECT MI 3.29
TGVKX
TCW GALILEO VALUE OPPS FUND K C 2.36
TGVNX
TCW GALILEO VALUE OPPORTUNITIES 2.36
TGVOX
TCW GALILEO VALUE OPPORTUNITIES 2.36

as to CA decertification.. good going BBV, you guys are on fire these days.. and brad too for his usually awesome muckracking journalism... why is the stock price going up??? proof of Stock market tampering perhaps?????

Bev --

We would not have these issues about who is reviewing what aspects of what proprietary software in secret using what standards if we weren't using proprietary software to start with!

Debra Bowen

Senator Bowen,

You are correct....And I pray that you tell everyone that especially Boxer and everyone on the oversight committee.

Diebold uses completely irresponsible software code that the public is not allowed to inspect without a court order....

Thats a signal of criminal corruption to begin with. Then when you inspect and get to see everything, you find out it hides vote-switching code easily called the *.abo executable....

Then you know elections have been rigged before, and "someone" wants them all to be rigged in california.

Who benefits? Someone benefits from rigged elections...Someone benefits from getting senators like Ted Stevens & Joe Lieberman into office, and this is on both sides now....

Whoever keeps benefitting, thats where Diebold's loyalties are at.....Jack Abramoff...it goes right to the top. Anybody who has a question about it can simply ask an expert....like Josh Washburn who found the *.abo exploit.

You're talking about a coded machine that is not designed by accident, but on purpose in order to delete & switch votes across entire voting blocks without ever leaving a trace.

It is designed for fraud and tampering, Diebold should answer the real question in front of the Judge.

Doug

Doug E -

You make the point that I have been trying to convince people of for years - these machines are built for fraud.

I'm reminded of the movie Hunt for Red October, when the Joint Chiefs are all sitting around the table realizing what a perilous monster the Red October was, and one of them said "The goddamned thing was built to start a war."

It's just that obvious.

Up here in Snohomish County, WA our county auditor and county executive are moving towards all mail-in balloting, which is great because we were one of only two counties in the State that used uncertified machines (Bev, correct me if I'm wring here, you would know better than I what the details are)...so it seems there is progress on this all over the country, even though my coounty is a little behind the rest of the state.

Story from the local paper is here:
http://heraldnet.com/sto...9/100loc_a1voting001.cfm

Note that the Democrats, who just got the county council majority from the last election, support changing the system while the Republicans want to maintain electronic machines.

Soul,

Exactly and like I say I consider Diebold to be innocent of these outrageous crimes or what they call "conspiracy theories" until proven in court.

But, that doesn't change the fact they need to answer the question in front of everybody. The fact is, their machines are clearly designed to hide *.abo extension files which can be replaced with malicious vote switch code like Curtis created.

The extension file is virtually cloaked, nobody looks at it and there has been no testing by any authority particularly the ITA of why this code is present. Then, it allows that executable extension file to over-ride the ORIGINAL file....hence they can over ride whats already on the memory card.

And if thats the case in both Diebold & Sequoia, they need to answer why the hell that is actually possible? And why it was built into the machines?

For that matter they need to answer why they have covered this up and lied to multiple states, counties, officials and authorities ABOUT this security code that fails all 10 standards of actual federal tests.

And if there's money involved, the FBI needs to get in there flash their badges and get to the bottom of the whole slime bucket......just like they apprehended Thomas Noe and got him & his cronies convicted. They're ready to pounce on these bastards if they broke the law, everyone by now must know that.

If anyone can prove the machines are secure, let them submit it to the court. Otherwise they should be banned and decertified as illegal & not in anyone's jurisdiction.

Doug E.

Thanks to all of you working so hard to return voting to an accountable, recountable nationwide system. I can't seem to get any of my friends to grasp the potential of continued fraud with Diebold machines in their current form. Like you, I will never give up. Heaps of great praise from me to you for your continued, invaluable, democracy saving work. Best wishes for a Merry Christmas and a Diebold free New Year!
DaveM

Question for whoever certifies these electronic voting machines:

HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU CERTIFY THEM, IF THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE CONTROLLED EXPERIMENTS, IN WHICH TESTORS HACKED INTO THEM???

The next step, is all of these people who certified them, should be thrown in jail for ruining our democracy, and our country.

Bev,

On behalf of probably everyone who reads this blog, thanks for commenting here.

My last tip was "buy beer stock".

Next tip, buy stock in shredder companies.

Senator Debra Bowen #8

Welcome to Brad Blog.

I think you, like Congressman Conyers, are wise to appear here and blog with your fellow Americans.

It shows an affinity for the people. We are mostly regular blue blooded Americans here who love America so much we want it back.

We want it loved in the world, as it was not too long ago, and we want it peaceful.

I know you are from Redondo. I surfed there and had a sailboat near there some time back, but moved from California because the government there is just too fascist for me at this time. Don't take offense please, I am a bit radical and speak out about things.

I grew up on the beach in California and it has gone so far from what it once was ... I feel a loss.

Anyway, please work with Bev, Jim, and the fine crew at Black Box Voting should you be elected to Secretary of State.

California has been a leader state in our wonderful nation. You could be a major event in the growing movement to bring open, honest, fair, and verifiable elections back.

I applaud your efforts in that direction.

>buy stock in shredder companies.

LOL

and for those who are entrepreneurial, patent a butt-covering device.

Just thought it worth noting that your "retarded cousins" up here in Canada use paper ballots and pencils, exclusively, in our federal elections. The entire count is completed in a few hours, although there are over 30 million of us. (Moreover, with occasional minority governments and no fixed election dates, we sometimes have to get the system up and running with just a few weeks' notice.)

Works just fine.

get rid of diebold machines and watch the landslide...! in maine, we trounced bush twice with #2 pencils...

I think Jeb Bush might be in the market for one of those butt-covering devices, from the sounds of it.

I'm thrilled to see Bev Harris and Senator Bowen posting here.

#13 SR...seems we have something in common. So glad we have 3 dems now. Had the pleasure..not, of dealing with the county for 3 years. My focus has always been federal politics, I was astounded at the corruption on the county level. I always had heard this county was the most corrupt in the State, now I know how we earned that reputation. M4

Senator Bowen

It's an honor to see you on this forum. This is a multi-headed beast, and proprietary software is only one of it's vicious heads. Open source does not guarantee honesty. As Harri Hursti says,

"Even if you have open source code, if I own the hardware, I can own the software."

There are many traps in open source. We must have publicly disclosed code, but that isn't the full solution.

We also must have immediate access to public records to audit elections (Note that California's Orange County has refused to turn over the VotoScope files, copies of digital ballot photographs they have from the last election). We need penalties for noncompliance.

There are a lot of holes to plug before the levy is safe again.

Thanks so much for your work. We have much more to do. I do think it is (potentially) rather slick, the way they placed public pressure on the ITAs, then put the hot potato in their lap.

I would hate to be Wyle Labs right now. I suspect they may try to thread the needle one more time, but it is getting harder and harder to do.

Bev Harris

Looks as if Diebold's "tumultuous week" (as described by The New York Times, which didn't cover the tumultuous events during the week, but editorialized about them on Sunday!) just got tumultuous-er.

Don't understand the Abramoff connection. Is it suggested that he bribed members of the I.T.A. on behalf of Diebold?

Robert:

It is connected....but not vetted enough yet. Greenburg Traiurg, the firm that Abramoff works in (or is a president of) makes payments to Diebold all the time...Diebold makes payments to them.

They also hand them out to all the lobbyists...the most popular ones in Washington D.C.

If most of our lobbyists up there are, well neocons then I think we got a handle on a much bigger cancer than we originally envisioned...

For instance they shred these documents to not show or record where the payments are going...and there's lots of legal questions everyone wants to know: "Why?"

Not even ES&S shreds the documents of its contributions....or throws them into dumpsters at a regular pace.

Anyway I suspect this will become much wider as apparently they have really gone all out now, realizing Ohio could be completely hijacked by neocons.

Ohio terror explosion destroys buildings next to Mosque

Well well.....It is all very familiar...Ohio residents are getting TERRORIZED by this garbage, obviously while we win victory in California, the state of Ohio slips further into hell.

Whoever is condoning this violence evidently likes Governor Taft in power...Taft is the most corrupt governor I have ever witnessed...First to be convicted while in office, in over 30 years....And even with all the criminal trials in Ohio HB-3 has been passed and these madmen have literally stripped people of their civil rights.

All I can say is this war will have to be waged on all fronts and cut them off at the pass, they are slowly trying to eradicate every remaining constitutional protection..

Doug E

Finally some good news!!!

At least 19 states will not be ready for compliance, still considering security testing of their machines

The Diebold hacking has caused an avalanche. 6 or 7 of us need to go out there now and keep making a huge difference!!!

Doug E.

Too bad the Diebold ATM machines were not as hack-able as the voting machines.

The ATM machines, unlike Ohio voting machines even work in high humidity.

M4: Are you from SnoCo? Or does your county just have a similar situation? Small world - if you are from SnoCo I'd be willing to bet we know each other (at least through mutual friends.) Send me an e-mail, let me know...

Very exciting to see Americans trying to take back the vote. Thank you Brad, Bev Harris, and Senator Bowen for all your efforts as real Patriots to at least try and safeguard a our dishonest BUSHIT system. Thanks to you, now there is at least a fighting chance that future candidates will gain public office by a legitimate election. As you know, the people in control who mainly represent the corporate elite have no desire to fix the system but only spread propaganda to make the average American believe their are no problems with our voting system. I also thank you for all the people in this country who don't have a voice at this blog to show their appreciation, however, would be so proud that you have stood up to these powerful tyranical forces to ensure that the UNITED STATES is government of the people's choice. Bear hugs for all of you. Open question: Will we ever get the election process reformed so a 3rd party candidate who represents working Americans as opposed to a frigin oil company can have a legitimate chance to win in the current multi-million dollar corporate funded monster? The troops, the environement, and the US Wildlands cannot wait and either can I.

Another victory Mrs. Grizzly:

THE ANWR WILDLIFE REFUGE HAS BEEN SAVED!!!!!

No more ANWR!

That's one trophy those greedy bigot bastards from EXXON Mobil won't be taking with them.......Nor will they be sucking it up, as they had paid Ted Stevens to happen.

Doug

I am beginning to feel a bit overwhelmed by the continuing stream of good news. I am running out of places to pinch myself. Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy! And I'd like to say "Hi" to soul rebel, I live in Pierce County, (Tacoma),and heard today that King County Republicans are opposed to the all voting by mail proposal, because they "don't believe the votes can be counted correctly". Well, they would know about that, wouldn't they? Anyway, Brad, GREAT JOB! Thanks SO much!!

Despite all the great strides we are making with the recent hack in Leon County, Florida and the California SOS's refusal to certify the Diebold voting machines, I'm still greatly concerned about the consequences that will occur as a result of election officials having to comply with the impending HAVA deadline on Jan. 1st (I'm not trying to rain on our parade, just trying to keep it from being rained out).

Considering that appproximately 800 jurisidictions throughout the country already have these flawed machines in place, we now face the awful reality that in order to comply with the HAVA deadline, many more states will be implementing these insecure machines.

It certainly looks as though HAVA, instead of living up to its intended purpose to "Help America Vote", is having the exact opposite affect by --- "Helping America Out of Its Vote", if election officials are forced to comply with this deadline.

I've heard that factions of election officials have requested that the HAVA deadline be extended, but to no avail. Why not? It seems reasonable, in light of the recent developments regarding voting machine security. The thought of allowing more of these insecure voting machines into more counties around the country doesn't make sense and is an irresponsible waste of taxpayers' money, not to mention it will complicate the situation even more than it already is.

Any suggestions from the BradBloggers on how we could pull off a miracle and derail this runaway HAVA train before Jan. 1st?

Kathleen Wynne

Despite all the great strides we are making with the recent hack in Leon County, Florida and the California SOS's refusal to certify the Diebold voting machines, I'm still greatly concerned about the consequences that will occur as a result of election officials having to comply with the impending HAVA deadline on Jan. 1st (I'm not trying to rain on our parade, just trying to keep it from being rained out).

Considering that appproximately 800 jurisidictions throughout the country already have these flawed machines in place, we now face the awful reality that in order to comply with the HAVA deadline, many more states will be implementing these insecure machines.

It certainly looks as though HAVA, instead of living up to its intended purpose to "Help America Vote", is having the exact opposite affect by --- "Helping America Out of Its Vote", if election officials are forced to comply with this deadline.

I've heard that factions of election officials have requested that the HAVA deadline be extended, but to no avail. Why not? It seems reasonable, in light of the recent developments regarding voting machine security. The thought of allowing more of these insecure voting machines into more counties around the country doesn't make sense and is an irresponsible waste of taxpayers' money, not to mention it will complicate the situation even more than it already is.

Any suggestions from the BradBloggers on how we could pull off a miracle and derail this runaway HAVA train before Jan. 1st?

Kathleen Wynne

I don't want to use a machine to vote on even if it is "certified". What options if any do I have?

#27 SR Yes, born and raised, still here.
wil contact you. M4

Merci,

You, unfortunately, don't have any options at this time.

However, it is important to slow down the HAVA runaway train wreck until we can further prove that, based on the totally ineffective, or rather useless, certification process, none of the voting machines should be trusted.

Until we can further prove our case against these machines, we definitely should do everything we can stop more from being placed throughout the country just so the states can meet the HAVA deadline.

If the HAVA deadline is forced down our throats like the HAVA Act was, it will be a blatantly irresponsible waste of taxpayers' money, not to mention a slap in the face of the American people by our government.

Kathleen Wynne

diebold
so old
just now getting it
too late
by posting here
guess what
you're a terrorist
Katrina didn't show us
black folks
what we didn't know
how much love they have
and they showed
911
was in the plan by the stand down
its funny that
white folks are just know seeing
they put a fascist in control
is he a nazi
when surrounded by
zionism
I love Jews
I love Muslims
I love Christians
but you know what I love most
God
peopel have forgotten that
how odd
I love all people
its in our soul
but those who take control
of others land
and oil and platinum
plutonium
for one world government
so yes
i understand the palestinian fight
i don't support
i don't think its right
but what about
the american revolution
what about
the civil war
it seems like
that fight
could start here
any night
white people
this country is no longer yours
and this is from the lips
of a descendant of slaves
which is why i was taught
to never obey
so no brainwash
but i can play the role
maser
thus i somehow managed
to get through law school
only to learn
the law is sht too
moved to California
bar in Feb. but it don't matter
no such thing as justice
only just us
quick buck
tax cuts and i hate welfare but
after 400 hunderd years of slavery
we are just supposed to be rich huh
so we slang rocks
rob and shoot jump shots
now our music have your kids
seeing how you flopped
be like you
they think not
so they're confused
don't get me wrong
i love rap
but its killing our kids too
but so is oru whole culture
5th graders are having sex
don't say not my kid
that's true
but
she gives head best
repent
iran is about to be nuked
but russia is backing syria too
so here it is
the next world war
right before your eyes
how could you believe in bush's lies
not even one alibi
hell
not even one try
obvious lies
with every smirk
i twirk
mafia led
while we pay taxes and work?
i don't think so
diebold did what it was supposed too
only needed 2 elections
now
who knows what they have in place
already can steal any signal from space
move slow
thought police might murk you
that means murder
30,000 dead
yeah right
that was month 4
now its year 3
these people want to start armagedeon
take your country back
but don't listen to me
i can't know what I'm talking about
I'm 26 and I'm black
but to end this here
I might go back to Africa
though i've never been
but hasn't that been your dream my friends?
how this is going
i would have never thought to say it
it might be better there
you gave us aids
so 25% will be dead
might as well take it over
plus you are already planning
on doing that again
neo-colonialism
jobs in india
none in detroit or saint louis
where iw as born and raised
how we come to this
tricked the whole county with one word
terrorist

#36 SP, thank you for sharing your thoughts. I appreciate hearing from a 26 year old who sees so clearly. I am finding there is a huge gap, gen X vs gen Y. So many 30 something's I know, believe in the Neocon agenda. That is disheartening to me. They believe the 'Big Lie', they really believe they will be 'rich' some day..whatever 'rich' means anymore. To me 'rich' is a word that no longer exists in this society. We are a nation of Poor and Wealthy. Those clinging to the notion they will someday be 'rich' are clueless imo. That is not part of the Plan. We are to be a two class society, (this time it will be corporate slaves and corporate slave owners) much of the supposed middle class are in debt to their eyeballs and bushco is making sure they fall into the 'poor' class sooner, rather than later. M4 (OT again, sorry, but who is very aware the wealth of this Nation was obtained on the backs of Slave labor, just as the wealth of many countries is being gotten in the same way as I write this)

Diebold isn't guilty of fraud by the mere fact of manufacturing hackable election machines, for the same reason a gun manufacturer isn't guilty of murder if its gun is used to kill someone.

But what about criminal negligence? If a man with a schizophrenic son leaves a loaded pistol on a table inside his house, he's surely guilty of something if his kid takes the gun and uses it on someone (or himself). When Diebold made the machine that was exposed in the Florida test last week, it already knew its machines had been the subject of complaints for several years.

Election fraud is a crime. A company that makes a machine it knows can be used fraudulently, whether it witnesses an act of fraud or not, has to be guilty of criminal negligence.

Comment #29: That's MR. Grizzly. However, openly admit if you've read my blogs then U know i can get as as angry as a Mother Griz protecting her young at the ALWAYS LEADING AMERICA DOWN THE WRONG PATH actions of the BUSHIT ADMINISTRATION since illegally taking power.

Yeah HAVA needs to be dealt with once and for all.

Here's how to do it:

Prove that all the voting machines are NOT qualified for the disabled, while AutoMark clearly is so therefore they do not qualify for HAVA!!

If that is proven Kathleen, it will put AutoMark in instead until there is a better handle on this. They have proven it just about in New Mexico!!!

Every state should follow suit.

Doug

:)
Doug,
Read everything and the links that are found in other groups. Its worth the time and effort. Activists have to understand that the Black community wants to know all the facts and not the shortcuts. That’s the reason why many of us don't vote. Lack of information. This Jeff Fisher has not taken any shortcuts and that may be his problem among white people, yet in the Black communities he is respected for taking the hard and long road to doing the honest thing for all Americans.

Donald

ddeclue@bellsouth.net wrote:
Donald:

OK well that tells me enough to say that:

I don't have any more contacts with Howard Dean than you and I send him my emails the same way you do through the web form at www.democrats.org

I do know some Florida and Orlando politicians however and I am acquainted with a few people like Rod Smith who is running for governor and I've spoke with Kendrick Meek and Peter Deutsch (now a former Congressman) a few times last year and spoken with Meek briefly a couple times regarding the Kerry campaign when I was on staff up here in Orlando and he was the Florida head honcho for Kerry...but I don't really know any national level people like Dean or Kerry or Edwards personally. I don't really know how many of these state level people would really even remember me all that well (except maybe Rod Smith) and be willing to help but I'd say your best bet is to contact Congressman Meek's local office directly in Ft. Lauderdale and ask for his help directly.

I don't understand this part: if he gave up his life -that sounds like he died in Iraq or something? How can he then work for Dean? I assume he's not dead so I guess I'll have to spend some time reading your post to see if I can understand the whole story.

I write long stuff too but there's a point where it gets to be just too much for anyone to read, even activist types like me. People often tell me the same thing I just said to you. 200 may be too short but try not to go over 700 if you want people to read it and help you...

Democratically Yours,

Doug De Clue
Orlando, FL
ddeclue@bellsouth.net
To Dorinda,
Thank you, I would like examples. Are you posting this to other groups. I have tried getting this into groups in Florida and nobody is doing anything. I think this guy should really be in Washington D.C. working for the DNC. Howard Dean would like this guy. Please pass the word on. I think this man has so much to offer. In the black community it is something to see someone like this. We had the Kennedy's but this man is more real and can give us an insight into what's really going on in America because he has lived it. I am sending this to others also because it takes an entire community to save this nation.

Donald

Donald, we don't know each other but i am in your address book... also, i noticed another name which has been dogging all my address book and advise that you observe, i keep getting like posts from this person and two other names which are neither dems and may be trolls or spam. but work together, take your address book, use titles of others, and then change body of post.... you may wish to be aware of: someone signing as: mickeydukakis, keyzergrove, cordeliachaise... might be one and the same or not, but work together and will vamp on your resources. They have been removed from