Anyone who doesn't know our entire corrupt system is rigged and broken needs a reality check. These bastards have managed to take down skyscrapers from the inside and convince Americans otherwise with their fascist control of the mass media. Then Bush used this as an excuse to take away American's rights, change the rules of forestry eliminating the opinion of "the people" on all issues of the US forestry so Bushit cronies can rape and develope our previously protected wildlands, and the most deplorable, sending US troops to Iraq based on lies. Our constitution and form of government is officially in crisis. Got Cindy's back.

Stupid...Cindy Sheehan, I mean.

Powerline is saying that Sheehan was trying to unroll a banner. Is this true?

It is not true, Jeff. AP and CNN had been reporting that originally, but they were wrong.

As expected, Powerline doesn't bother with figuring out the truth before they spread their garbage. (Nor do they allow comments, so folks are not able to correct them when they do it.)

Read the entire minute-by-minute description of what happened last night right here...

whoops. I just read your linked story and saw that the "banner" was her shirt. Heh, just goes to show how the press can lie to manipulate the situation. So it comes down to support Bush or get arrested huh? Wow, and this is America? Could have fooled me.

All this while she's trying to decide whether or not to run against Dianne Fienstein in the next election. Such a travesty.

You have no common sense, or class. The first word of your post describes you far better than anything anyone else could possibly say in this thread.

You think YOU shouldn't have a right to wear an item, voicing your opinion, in YOUR halls of congress? You're a mindless fool.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety".....Benjamin Franklin

awe, poor cindy.

its not the first time this has happened. the rules have been the same for years. ignorance is no excuse and all that. they are that way in congress for the same reason those same rules apply in voting areas. they are designed to make sure people are not feeling pressured to take a particular view. dont like it, deal with it. this is not a bushco thing, it has been that way for YEARS.

and who cares if she did not want to go originally? then dont go!! what difference does that make?

POPEYE -

Apparently you failed to read the actual post. The "rules" for free speech, as you described them, were not equally applied. The Republican Congressman's wife was asked politely to leave. Not arrested. Not held for hours.

Furthermore, when Republicans wanted to make their statement at last year's SOTU, they were allowed to do so. No removals, no arrests. No nothing. Here's the proof...

You may not care about our Constitution, however. You'll forgive those of us who care about those "Freedoms" Bush was just kidding about last night.

aren't there little yellow "pro-troops" ribbons some people wear on their lapels? I'm sure they didn't kick out anyone for that reason... is it words that make the difference, or is it they were afraid (as has been said about previous ejections during Bush appearances) that she would cause a "disruption?" I'm thinking the latter...

Sheehan was arrested but not the Republican congressman's wife (Support Our Troops). That makes as much sense as Bush's SOTU calling for energy independence in 10 years. Okay, Mr. Oilman.
If you really want get shocked, check out Bellaciao.org and read "the USA will cease to exist Feb. 5." Chilling forecast, but it got me thinking...what the f..k!

Hey, just out of curiosity, I wonder if there are any photos floating around of people wearing t-shirts in the galleries with ANY slogan on them?

Things were pretty casual back in the Clinton days, might want to start looking there...

Anybody got the exact statute/law/whatever that was supposed to have been violated?

The rightwing spin machine is going crazy on this one, I've heard everything from "she was trying to unfurl a banner" to "she was asked to cover up her shirt and she refused and argued with the cops".

Who was it that said, "If you say something enough times, it's true"? Someone back in the Reagan administration I think...

Great work on this! Followed it all last night.

The sad part of this for me is that I don't feel surprised at all for this. Good or Bad.

Even if the shirt violated some statute, there was never, at any point, any justification for anything other than removing her peacefully from the premises.

Aside from that, there's no question that Congressman Young's wife would never have been noticed, or asked to leave, without this incident having happened first.

. . . the man's a piece of shit . . . . . . but WE always knew that . . . .

Kestrel:

I've been watching old SOTU's to find symbols of protest, but I'm done for today. Haven't seen anything yet.

Check here: http://www.c-span.org/ex...tive/stateoftheunion.asp

Liberals,

Where is the outrage of the Congressman's wife being arrested? The guy who wore a shirt that said "Clinton didn't inhale, he swallowed" during the Clenis SOTU?

Where? Where?

Unreal.

I guess we could reasonably call these speeches "State of the Onion," (the kind that makes one cry). There is no union.

Let us not forget Ms. Sheehan was also origionally charged with a felony, that was later reduced to a misdemenor (and I bet all charges will be dropped, with the threat they can be refiled again if she decides to file suit).

Brad... I'll lay odds here that, as soon as the neocons got word that the congresswoman invited Mrs. Sheehan to SOTU, an APB was issued with the Capitol Police... and they were ordered to watch her every move like a hawk.

Kids,
Something overlooked throughout the "mother Sheehan" saga... She's really not too bright (ever actually hear her speak?) And, her (once legitimate) standing as a Gold Medal Mom has long been overtaken by FAR-FAR LEFT freakazoid groups. Oops, I forgot, you don't have a problem with that... at all.

chotty

Kids,
Something overlooked throughout the "mother Sheehan" saga... She's really not too bright (ever actually hear her speak?) And, her (once legitimate) standing as a Gold Medal Mom has long been overtaken by FAR-FAR LEFT freakazoid groups. Oops, I forgot, you don't have a problem with that... at all.

chotty

Kids,
Something overlooked throughout the "mother Sheehan" saga... She's really not too bright (ever actually hear her speak?) And, her (once legitimate) standing as a Gold Medal Mom has long been overtaken by FAR-FAR LEFT freakazoid groups. Oops, I forgot, you don't have a problem with that... at all.

chotty

.
.OMG it's the FAR-FAR LEFT coming to get us! Run!!
.

You don't seem to bright Chotty. Care to put those big brains out on the table where we can all see them?

Come on. Sheehan WANTED to get arrested. One way or another, before or during that speech, she was getting hauled out of there in handcuffs. She wanted it and she got it.

Why? So she could post her sob story about how there's no Free Speech in the Bushdom. You guys are all falling for it.

Of course, it's all rot. Free speech (as defined by the Constitution and Supreme Court) doesn't mean you can yell FIRE in a theater, but it does mean in the proper time, place, and method, you can call the President whatever the hell you want. Like what's going on here, or on Sheehan's blog, or all over the news all over the world.

Sheehan should have finished her blog in the words of Dubya: Mission Accomplished.

This is a real coup for Ms. Sheehan. She had essentially disappeared off the mainstream radar screen. But this foolish arrest was being reported by the talking heads before Bush's speech, and after, diminishing the speech.

The humor in Bush praising the late Ms. King for civil disobedience is not lost as Ms. Sheehan is dragged from the building for wearing a t-shirt.

Don't let this distract you, Ms. Sheehan. Stay on message. Stay on message.

PS: good slideshow of galley arrest at:

http://tinyurl.com/a8rfv

Why does she keep saying she gave the ultimate sacrifice of her son in the war? I'm pretty sure he made his own choice in joining the military. Groups are now just using her to further their own agendas.

Doug

Sheehan did not yell FIRE in a theatre. She wore a t-shirt.

Funny, though, how you presume to know her every thought and intention.

Come on Doug. I KNOW you WANT to surrender ALL of your civil liberties. Why? So you feel safer from the Big Bad Brown People.

* If it Looks like SHIT *

* If it Smells like SHIT *

* & If it Sound like SHIT *

...........................................

*** It Must Be BUSH ***

Jimmy...

Anti-war groups? Using an anti-war mother of a fallen soldier? To advance their AGENDA?!?!? ALERT THE PRESSES!!!

I read this morning that Mrs. Sheehan will be filing a lawsuit against the government for violations of the 1st Amendment.

Why are we just now filling that "Empty Scrotum?"

Why the SHEOL hadn't anyone sued to block the USA Patriot Act way back in late 2001? How many Amendments to the US Constitution did it violate? 4? 5?

But, I ask both sides here to follow Sen. McCain's advice from last night... lower the pressure... let go of the hate... and start working together and negotiating.

(I know that should have happened back in January 2001... but BETTER LATE THAN NEVER, PEOPLE!!!)

If I really wanted to make a statement at the SOTU, I'd show up in all black, classy suit and gloves and perhaps a black hat, like a widow would to a funeral, and have a very shiny silver dove pin (or peace sign) on the lapel of the suit. And then not say a word, and let the image speak for me.

But no one really cares about that anymore, people are too stupid to play off symbolism and archetypes. They want to wear t-shirts everywhere they go with their bumper sticker slogans. Like if you don't spell it out no one is going to get it.

My sister wrote in her blog today "Cindy Sheehan: peaceful protest as civil disobedience or evening wear faux pas?" I think it is a little bit of both.

The number of fallen soldiers in Iraq: A bumper sticker slogan? Fuck no. It's reality hitting you in the face.

#32

Want support for the actions of the corrupt lying murderous Bushit administration? Click your toes together and pretend it's the year 1999.

Truthout has a video of Cindy Sheehan bragging that Dianne Feinstein changed her mind on the Alito filibuster when she threatened to run against her if she did not. Then goes on about how she has until 12 February to decide if she's going to run or not. All this from Venezuela on the 28th, telling us she was on her way next to DC for The People's State of the Union, and unable to look into the camera to say it. Our bereft mother has turned into a globe trotter who says she's tired of all the traveling, and a campaign would keep her in California.

I had already been wondering where she got the time and money to travel so much. Now I'm REALLY wondering. Is she rich, or is the money for it coming from anti-war NGOs? I am beginning to think so much attention to, and promotion of, this woman has gone to her head. Is there a liberal blog on which she doesn't post, or be posted about, regularly? She has fallen prey to the Mark Klaas syndrome: enjoying the celebrity of being the parent of a murdered child.

There was a picture up, here, of her being escorted down a staircase, with a buttoned up sweater or jacket on, and what looked like a rolled up t-shirt in her left hand. I can't find it now, but it was here last night. Put it together with the picture of her wearing the t-shirt and jacket or sweater unbuttoned, and you get a strange feeling. Either she buttoned the sweater after the intitial grab, and who knows what that was in her left hand, OR she was nabbed for the t-shirt, and allowed/made to take it off before leaving. It could well be that she was allowed to take it off to return to her seat, and hauled off once she tried to unfurl the t-shirt as a banner.

She is threatening to *. She is threatening to a senator. She is also clearly trying to break into the MSM. The blogosphere and many peace activists have been extremely happy to put her forward as a hero for the cause. Her head is about to pop from all the "support"... which is more like a slingshot.

The woman needs to go home and GRIEVE, be left alone until she can get her legs back under her, take stock of herself, and put all the adoration in perspective. She's being used like a giant hand you wave at a ball game, and has begun using our pain to further herself. I'm hoping it is a mother running from processing the enormity of her grief, and not a mother trading on the murder of her son.

In either case, it is high time WE quit using her. This isn't a circus. Cindy Sheehan is not a freak show, and not a lion tamer. This may have been THE stunt, no matter which side pulled it, that has forever ruined the use of her as a symbol against murdering our kids to murder Iraqis.

Amazing.. the intellectual gnats come and try to spit on someone, or spin things to their satisfaction, DESPITE the FACTS..

One yellow bus rider said "she wanted to get arrested".. uh.. ok, and you know this why? A Congressperson ASKED her to go.. so Cindy magically wanted to make a scene? Sounds like someone is projecting their own desires to always have attention..

Then we get a twit that can't figure out how to post on a blog calling Cindy "not smart"? oooook..

Then we get someone who can't seem to diferentiate 2 things.. one is "causing a panic and putting people's lives at risk", the other is "wearing a shirt that states a fact".. and thinks they are "the same"?

Notice NONE of these useless shitbags even comes CLOSE to touching the pertinant caption of this blog item.. "UNEQUAL".. See, for these unAmerican morons, it's ok to shit on the rights of people you don't like, just not theirs.. That's a psychological DISORDER called Narcissism.. a situtation where you honestly believe you are better than other people, have more rights.. For you clinically whacked idiots, I sugguest you go read your Constitution and Bill of Rights.. Pay special attention to the bit about "ALL men are created equal".. and "inalienable rights"..

Brad #9 - Great answer to POOPEYE, well said as usual. Your final comment, "You'll forgive those of us who care about those 'Freedoms' Bush was just kidding about last night." hit home.

What upset me last night was when the camera kept spanning the room of goons and how it kept showing them all smiling and giggling and having a good 'ole time, when there were things being discussed that were no laughing matter. It made me sick. Hollywood in DC anymore, only they're bad actors and the scripts always suck. They all better be replaced ASAP.

Cindy was wrongfully treated AGAIN, there is no doubt. We all just keep witnessing horrible things going on in this country, yet nothing is done about it, it continues day after day. It's not America anymore. In many ways, we've all been sentenced and are now serving parole, paying court costs, being watched, and receiving a reduction in pay.

Okay. Just saw the slide show of her mentioned in #27. She was wearing the Eminem BLACK HOODIE of protesting the SOTU. It was some sort of clutch bag in her left hand. So. She was nabbed when it was unzipped, and zipped it before most of the pictures were taken on the way out. The Eminem video with putting on the black hoodie when you're fed up with the administration, and entering the SOTU in that garb was just posted here a few days ago. Cindy Sheehan was doing an Eminem at the SOTU.

Clearly a protest demonstration. Planned.

Also in that slide show, pictures of Cindy hugging and kissing Hugo Chavez. I'd love to have been able to do that too, and I've ordered my huge black hoodie too, but I want all of us to sit back and THINK about this. There isn't any doubt Cindy's appearance was a demonstration where these are banned.

In the eyes of the current power structure, booting out the congressman's wife for it amounts to equal treatment. Maybe all the difference falls into the congressman's wife not wearing a flag hoodie with her t-shirt.

Grizzly Bear Dancer [Post #35]:

Yes... I know that I am dreaming.

I know that the CHANCES of civility occuring is less than 10% [if even that high!]

What can I say? I'm an idealist!

MrBlueSky sings:

"To Dream... the IMPOSSIBLE dream..."
- Man of La Mancha

#38 ... I felt the same way, in the agonizing minutes while the cloture vote was being taken on the Alito confirmation on Monday. There was a LOT of laughter going on during that. Felt as if I were being slapped each time.

:( She got what she deserved!!
Her Son would be ashamed of her!
She is un American!!
Let her go live in Venezuala!

Agent99.. I've not looked at the slides yet (at work).. yet, do we know what was IN the bag?

Again, you seem to be feeding the trolls with things to use as disinformation or false pretenses without supporting evidence.. You know, innocent until proven guilty, as the trolls love to spew.. So, she had a purse.. and was opening it.. That's illegal? Wearing a black hoodie is illegal? if the symbolism of the hoodie was understood by many, how is that different than wearing a rainbow pin and people knowing that means something to the gay community? AGAIN, you can NOT be prosecuted for things that have not happened. Thought police aren't legal or constitutional.

I'll have to look at the slide show.. but the current spin is "she opened a banner", false.. and when someone else was removed for the "same actions", was treated completely differently..

Class wars are in full swing, and middle class America fancies themselves in the company of the rich folks (all that crap they own that they certianly don't need.. those cadilacs they drive that are barely any better than normal chevys, but they pay 2x as much for the emblem).. The sad thing is, when they finally wake up to the fact that the system is making them second class citizens, they'll finally realize that the elite don't care about them either, it wasn't just the "poor".. They are signing away their rights in the false belief that they are "better" than "those people".. again.. "all men are created equal".. and it's not being honored in our laws or our political representation.

Savantster, #43: I'm mightily sorry I hadn't seen the slide show before my first post about what she was wearing and what might have really happened. It occurs to me that I helped trolls by not getting a better look at pictures before I shot off my mouth. Sorry. Truly, I am sorry for that, but I hope I am also helping the anti-war side by pointing out that the Cindy Sheehan juggernaut has gone too far.

Bill O'Reilly was the first to derogate her in the right wing infotainment media, and this stunt, especially on top of going down to kiss and hug *'s nemesis in his exaltation of democracy, has turned her into a full-blown antagonist of the people her Camp Casey demonstration might have eventually won over. IT DOES NOT HELP TO PREVARICATE ABOUT HER INTENT AT THE SOTU. That is NOT upholding truth. It is prevarication. Something the bad guys use.

Almost everyone I know loathes Mark Klaas for trading on his daughter's murder, and people were already rumbling about Cindy Sheehan for trading on her son's murder. Put this together with her threats to run against Feinstein, the left's cameras on her everywhere, the apparent full-time USE of her, and she is set up to become thoroughly humiliated and discredited, NOT by trolls, but because her loss has been turned into a circus act. It might have been her own doing, or her need to run from her grief by exerting so much energy against the war, or by the anti-war movement pushing her, or all of these factors. The dignity has gone out of it.

I meant, above, to say that he clutch bag couldn't have been a banner, but if the wording of the law posted elsewhere on this site is correct, her t-shirt and black hoodie could be construed by a good lawyer to constitute breaking the law, but just as the Today show backed off giving her even more publicity for her stunt, so the government will back off further martyrization by prosecuting. If she sues, it looks even more like trading on her son's murder, another stunt for attention, garnering name recognition for help at the polls. UGLY. Ugly as the trolls.

HOW is this any more dignified than * reading the letter from the dead soldier at the SOTU?

IT ISN'T.

While I wholeheartedly endorse driving a truck around DC with impeachment slogans and funny pictures, also circus-like, IT ISN'T TURNING A KIDS' DEATH, ALL OURS KIDS' DEATHS, INTO A SIDESHOW.

Agent99 said...

"Clearly a protest demonstration. Planned."

You know I like you, but you are just plain wrong about your take here on Sheehan.

While she was NOT planning to go to the SOTU (had given her ticket away to an Iraq Vet) she was wearing the same outfit she had been wearing all day.

Finally, even if it was a "protest demonstration," you'll note that this is still America, and --- for the moment at least --- we still have this thing called "Freedom of Speech" referred to in our Constitution.

Love or hate it, it's still there. For the moment. And I intend to continue to support the idea. Period.

"She" made the ultimate sacrafice by giving the life of her son? Uh, no. Her SON made the ultimate sacrafice by giving his life, for a cause he believed in. She's exploiting his death for her own personal causes, nothing more, nothing less.

I find it hard to believe that this media whore had no idea the effect that her wearing that shirt would have. And, she wasn't "talked" into going, she was invited and accepting. Stop trying to make this nutcase into a martyr, she's nothing of the kind.

Agent99, my points are about what you said -after- seeing the slideshow.. implying she might have been up to no good because she was unzipping a bag when she was acausted? Bullshit, is my point.. Women have purses, and they open them in public. To arrest her and drag her out of a place she had legal right to be when she did NOTHING illegal, is WRONG.. To compound it, they did NOT treat someone else who did the "same actions" the "same way".. why? Because of elitist bullshit in the minds of most Americans.. shitting on "those less fortunate" is becoming "mainstream", despite it being Un-American.

Now the WH Police are DROPPING ALL CHARGES? Duh?? Cindy wasn't taken out because she did anything wrong, she was taken out because the facists taking over the country didn't want any images counter to their lies to be shown, and Cindy embodies that. And here you are trying to say she shouldn't be on a crusade? because her child died which is what STARTED the crusade? but she can't crusade (or be lifted up to iconify the cause) because her kid died? Your logic makes no sense. If you want to say "Cindy is becoming overly caught up in the Celebrity of this", that's fine.. but then try to PROVE that.. The argument you are using now has no merit, sorry. Your flow is "A caused B, B has gotten to size C, but only because of A.. that's wrong".. WTF kind of circular logic is that? This fucker manhandling and abusing our country sent troops to fight an illegal and unjustified war. That got people killed for NO GOOD REASON.. One of those victims is out there SCREAMING to the DEAF MASSES, and you are saying "she's only making noise because her kid died".. DUH? There are a LOT of us trying to make noise, but we haven't had as much heartache to DRIVE THE POINT HOME with us.. she has..

Your perception, seemingly, is that the neoCons are right, and Cindy is somehow "unjustified" in her protests.. If you agree, then fine.. say that.. say you side with the psychos that lie and disinform and cheat and steal to gain power. Say you have decided to believe what they said instead of looking at the "truth".. that being, Cindy IS a symbol of the anti-war movement.. she DOES need to be out there, in people's faces, making a stink, keeping people on point. Just like Shrubby almost pounced on that broken camera during his speach, like a cat after a string, so goes the masses' attention span. They NEED to be smashed in the face REPEATEDLY with this, or they drift back off to sleep in front of Faux News and slip back into the comfortable warm of consumerism. Ignorance is bliss, and people are quick to slip back into the shroud of ignorance.. Cindy isn't letting them do that (and not of her own volition, as you point out.. but as was pointed out before.. duh? when you have a club, you beat your attacker with it.. you don't set it down and pick up a flower)..

Excuse me she has every right to attend a speech that the President gives she is a taxpayer. She lost her son, has anyone of you lost a child in this awlful war. I look at the children in our contry and they are being hated because our president which I didn't vote for decided that we needed to fight other people's battle. Wake up American when do we get a spine and take our house back.

Funny how people still come and post an attack on Cindy, but don't address the glaring problem of inequality of treatment of people based on their social status..

Savantster: I think you misunderstood what I was saying about her purse. I think you are allowing hatred to cloud your sight and using it to justify your position. Neocons do NOT need to be bludgeoned with a woman turning herself into a symbol of the anti-war movement. It will only make them harden against it. Yes you DO set down your club and pick up a flower. ASK MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. ASK GANDHI.

This is NOT Ringling Brothers. It's NOT a street brawl.

You want an end to war? PICK UP THE FUCKIN' FLOWER!

And, what IS Cindy Sheehan's social status? She's been jet setting all over since she started her crusade. Who's paying for it? If she is a member of the downtrodden minions, where is she getting the dough to fly all over the place?

"You don't seem to bright Chotty. Care to put those big brains out on the table where we can all see them?"

Hey Genius, the word is TOO....... ONE more time: TOO.
At this point, Sheehan is nothing more than a Malignant Narcisist. You Bvac, on the other hand, are merely a dope.

Is there anyone UNDER 35-ish that has proof of the correct use of TOO ...ANYWHERE on the entire WWW?

"It was some sort of clutch bag in her left hand. So. She was nabbed when it was unzipped, and zipped it before most of the pictures were taken on the way out."

"Clearly a protest demonstration. Planned."

forgive me for not seeing some kind of distinction with regard to her purse..

as for the hoodie, see the post in thread about the police dropping ALL CHARGES..

"you want an end to war? PICK UP THE FUCKIN' FLOWER"

and at what point, when you're having your skull bashed in, would you suggest dropping the flower (that we HAVE been using) and picking up that club to save your life? Time for being "nice" and "peaceful" is over, period. There are too many crooks and liars running things to keep standing there saying "please stop fucking me over".

"And, what IS Cindy Sheehan's social status? She's been jet setting all over since she started her crusade. Who's paying for it? If she is a member of the downtrodden minions, where is she getting the dough to fly all over the place?"

sounds like you are jealous, to me... Coming up with a few dollars here and there isn't all that tough, if you give up some other things. I see people pissing away all kinds of money all the time and wonder "where the fuck are they getting all that money??".. Not to mention, "groups" fund travel all the time, and it's not that expensive to "drive" places.. flying last minute, sure.. but attacking her because people are giving her money so she can be where they want her to be for their cause, what's wrong with that?? Congressmen do it, Presidents do it, businessmen do it, guest speakers do it (and get paid assloads of money on top of it).. why can't Cindy have travel paid for?

why the hell are we even talking about it??????????

"Neocons do NOT need to be bludgeoned with a woman turning herself into a symbol of the anti-war movement. "

You're right.. we should just sit down and shut up.. holding our flower while we ride the train to the showers.

get a rip..

One of the most common critiques of leftist intellectuals, especially Karl Marx and his followers, is that they claim to be objective, scientific observers, although their work oozes anger.

They also studiously avoid offering alternatives to the policies they are criticizing, expending all their energy on attacking the enemies they blame for all the world's problems. . . .

The unwillingness to offer alternatives reveals a lack of self-confidence and self-esteem. If they offered their own policy ideas they would be vulnerable to criticism. They would run the risk that their ideas would fail, or would not seem persuasive to others.

This is especially difficult for anti-capitalists after the fall of the Soviet Union. It has also been difficult in the war against terrorism because Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden are such unsympathetic figures.

Psychologically, it is easier to blame America for not finding a solution than it is to put one's own ideas on the line.

Mother Sheehan says that as she was being fingerprinted: "That's when the enormity of my loss hit me. I have lost my son. I have lost my First Amendment rights." Her son Casey was killed April 4, 2004 in Iraq. Her activities, from the protests outside the Crawford ranch all last summer to last week's appearence with Hugo Chavez and his stooge Harry Belafonte where she called George Bush "the greatest terrorist in the world" and "10 times worse than bin Laden" have been well documented. But, she just then (last night) realized her loss?

#18: We were outraged, but there was no Brad Blog back then. Let's turn the tables, though...are you as outraged at Cindy Sheehan being arrested, as the (supposedly) person arrested with the "inhale" shirt? Let's see a post from you, how outraged you are...

Hey Chotty...easy on the "enter" key...

I meant the hoodie was unzipped when they nabbed her at her seat, and zipped when they were leading her out. The picture from last night was blurry, and I thought the clutch bag looked like a rolled up t-shirt. Seeing sharper images, which I had no idea would be posted by MSM, after my first post, I clumsily tried to correct myself. I was too quick on the draw. Trying to figure out how to make the inconsistentcies jibe, I forgot to wonder if there could be the pictures elsewhere to prevent me theorizing on thin air. My bad. Totally, MY bad.

Savantster, your hypocrisy in defending, here, isn't any better than the hypocrisy offending you... us. I'm trying to point out that the misuse of this symbol is backfiring, and we don't have the power to do damage control like they do. There's plenty wrong with the way this is all playing out, and either you look at it and do better, or you're adding fuel to the opponent's fire. If you're going to take on criminally immoral thugs with a following, you have to show a bazillion percent more probity than your target, NOT stoop to this stuff.

#46 Excuse me Mr. Irishman? Have you ever lost (as in the finality of DEATH) a family member or even a friend and come to find out he/she died for reason now known to be lies? You stupid fck, if you can walk in Mrs. Shehan's shoes and experience the pain and anger of losing your child FOREVER knowing your boy's intention was to serve his country. U will eat your ruster words. You are the stupid whore to devalue the truth by calling her out and throwing your support to the lying murderers in the BUSHIT administration responsible for sending our boys to fight a war in a country based on LIES. If your son was murdered and the known out walking the streets , living the good life free with no legal case pending, you just might change your stance of -0- accountability less taking the law in your own hands.

# 50 - Whoa, Agent99 --- What Gandhi and Martin Luther King did was disrupt the status quo through civil disobedience. I'm quite certain that the authorities in Birmingham and India didn't consider their actions to be in the "flower" category.

I'm trying to get your point about Cindy Sheehan. Trading on the memory of her dead son is a neocon talking point - and one of the more distateful ones at that. Why wouldn't she be in the forefront of the movement?

But, of course, the really relevant point is that she was wearing a t-shirt, for Christ's sake, and exercising her first amendment rights. (BTW, her personal effects were inventoried, of course, when she arrested.)

Does anyone think that arresting the mother of a fallen American soldier during the State of the Union speech, is one of the darkest moments in American history?

#46 Excuse me Mr. Irishman? Have you ever lost (as in the finality of DEATH) a family member or even a friend and come to find out he/she died for reason now known to be lies? You stupid fck, if you could walk in Mrs. Shehan's shoes and experience the pain and anger of losing your child FOREVER knowing your boy's good intention was to serve his country, U would eat your ruster words. You are the stupid whore to devalue the truth by calling her out on this blog and throwing petty support to the lying murderers in the BUSHIT administration responsible for sending our boys to fight a war in a country based on LIES. If your son was murdered and the known killer was out walking the streets , living the good life free with no legal case pending, you just might change your stance of -0- accountability. Maybe if others died and continue to die based on these lies, your physical actions would be even more desperate less taking the law in your own hands.

Arry: I guess I'm saying I'd feel better about the whole thing if she just came out and copped to wanting to wear the t-shirt and hoodie to the SOTU as a statement, and then let herself be arrested, just like at any other protest. All the crap about not even wanting to go, and then finally deciding to go, just wearing what she'd worn all day, playing innocent of intent to protest, pisses me off. Hipocrisy.

Playing the pity card over and over and over --- dead son, only wearing what she'd worn all day, and now the bad guys are manhandling her for being her --- when her intent is pretty clearly to incite this stuff --- pisses me off. ESPECIALLY when she's all but declared against Feinstein. I don't think being offended by a parent using the loss of a child as the agar for fame and attention is unique to neocon trolls.

I'm quite sure the authorities in Birmingham and India didn't consider their peaceful civil disobedience to be in the flower category either, but flower power IS peaceful civil disobedience. If Sheehan was using the flower, she should just cop to it, and let the rest speak for itself. If she's going to head up a peace movement because of the loss of her son, she should not be talking about running for the senate, and should not be down kissing Chavez. She should be staying on message at Camp Casey.

Obama's huge success at the convention caused the party to use him to get money for other candidates, for Byrd, who just voted us to hell on the Alito confirmation. Political people use popular people to further their agenda. Cindy Sheehan has allowed herself to be used that way, and, like Obama, subverts all the good that might have followed by letting them.

For The Record : WHO Invented the "Banner" LIE ?

JoJ: I don't know, but I REALLY wish they hadn't!

I'm going to the store now before I starve to death. If anybody else wants to take me to task, well... I gotta EAT. Back later, friends.