What if that would have happened in '04 (which it did)

We didn't hear nary a peep from the media

complicit bastards

I'm going to go ballistic if this isn't on every MSM news tonight.

To the people in the MSM suppressing news: These are the same f***ing machines the president was supposedly elected on!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Big Dan, if MSM brings this to the attention of the public, don't you think they will be putting 1 and 1 together?? I hope it does go public, but don't be suprised if it doesn't. MSM doesn't realize that they are digging their own graves. By suppressing real news for year after year, when this whole mess does come forward (and it will), the finger will be pointed to the so called "news" agencies for lack thereof.

After five years of listening to right wing corporate media one would think that people might actually come to terms with the fact that the six major media outlets in this country are in fact in bed with the Bush Regime. There is no longer any liberal media. Therefore if you are waiting for cable news networks to report on the "facts" don't hold your breath.

The final vote in Ohio on the proposition did look a bit fishy.

YES: 47, 220
NO: 49, 058
BUSH: 4, 350

Might have been a computer glitch.

Makes me wonder if Paul Hackett really did win the election there in November,HMMMMMMMMMM? At the time it was such a close race and people were pissed at the Administration. Great time to change horses,especially a military horese!

This is good news, and is exactly what we wanted to happen...

I've put out the call and word for a special prosecutor to be appointed over here and the FBI is getting involved...in other words, the neocons took over Ohio.

This has precedent....if they force a revote and prove the Diebold machines are pieces of crap, we can force the Diebold machines to be pulled straight out of Ohio and take on court orders. That means we can get rid of every fucking Diebold machine in Ohio, if this is just the first domino to fall. Contact all your Ohio legislatures and put the absolute fire under their ass.

Not only that, everybody fucking pass their own state IMPEACHMENT resolutions..

You know what I mean...

THE REAL ROAD TO IMPEACHMENT

So while you all are rioting, getting rid of voting machines, and tearing it up.....force and bolster your state legislatures to ALL pass impeachment resolutions. Put it onto every state, that we will be backing impeachment and ONLY impeachment.

Doug Eldritch

Somebody should look into Mean Jean's (Schmidt) election.

Hopefully there will also be a re-vote soon in Alaska as well.

Can you imagine how the outcome of the hand-counted ballots will differ than what the Diebold GEMS system reported? :O

The Alaska Democratic Party is fortunate that, unlike some locations, they do have hard copies of each vote available.

The difference in what the ballots showed, and what Diebold reported is STAGGERING. Amazing that one Anchorage District reported a 239% voter turnout in Anchorage and Diebold is shrugging their shoulders saying, "huh, that's weird".

No wonder the U.S. Senate candidate who NEVER ONCE led in the polls wound up mysteriously winning!

I think it's great that Alaska has stepped into the Diebold fight. Especially given that there IS hardcore evidence on-hand and the Alaska Democratic Party is fighting mad and is ready for action.

Go for it Ohio! We won't be far behind!

Sorry guys, but Ohio is the most corrupt state in the union even beyond Florida.

The neocons are even trying to send their pentagon soldiers there and spies and whatever else....its a cesspool.

They need revotes right through the lane here to make an effective demonstration of the scum sucking bastards....and then Alaska and its brethren can follow.

Doug

Ohio Att. General Petro and Ohio Secretary of State Blackwell are both running for the Republican nomination for Govenor. Their ads and actions are sickening. They both claim to be the most rightous, most Christian, most moral people in the world. Petro is up to his ass in another pay to play scandal and of course Blackwell is famous for blatantly stealing the election for George Bush in 2004. Come the day after the primary when Blackwell wins, all the bigots in southern Ohio are going to be surprised to have supposedly voted for Blackwell ,an African-American (who is in charge of elections).

Mr. Mills: There have been some very intelligently funny comments from all, lately. You can't accuse us "unbiased-wingers" of not having a sense of humor.

Mr. Mills, let me explain the 4,350 Bush votes, even though it was a yes/no question having nothing to do with a presidential election...

These are the 4,350 default votes in every DIEBOLD voting machine that Bush starts with...Ohio "freedom fighters" (Ohio Republicans fighting against freedom) forgot to reset these 4,350 DIEBOLD default votes for Bush, for a non-election.

The more you think about it, the less funny it is...I'm trying to be funny, but sadly I may have hit on something...

Every state in the union might end up having a re-vote because of electronic voting machines. Kerry would win, and no one would know Kerry was now our president, because the MSM wouldn't report it.

Big Dan

And that reminds me, I haven't passed the word yet on this important initiative.

Screw Senator Joseph Lieberman.....

I've gotten more than fourteen SPAM messages from this guy lieberman, over and over saying the same thing.

And he's a liar and a charlaton, the WORST neocon I have ever met.

So I say to everyone who wants to make it count....Kick Lieberman out of office in the primary and/or general.

Ned Lamont: This is the guy you need to support.

Now I will report Lieberman's unsolicited spam, which is a perfect recipe from the neocon hellhole known as the DLC Corporate Council.

Doug E.

Ive been harping about Schmidt's 51%49%victory over Iraq War vet Hackett since it happened! Where have you guys been? That's the one, I believe, where the machines went down in the bottom of the 9th, and came up with thousands of mysterious Schmidt votes. It's a Republican district, and the GOP in Ohio couldn't have an embarrassing defeat by an anti-War Iraq vet. That's the one where they said the machines went down due to "humidity". And we all just forgot about it!

And THEN!!! Schmidt was the one who called Murtha a coward!!! I think everyone has short term memory loss!!!

When all that flap came about, when the witch Schmidt called Murtha a coward, not one news source said, "By the way, that's the same Schmidt who questionably beat War Vet Hackett 51-49, when the machines questionably went down." Just don't tell me that was where Noe's wife was also in the election committee!!!

" I think everyone has short term memory loss!!!"

No, they ALL remember because the only reason Hackett lost where he won was because of the cheating. And that's why Diebold and company are the number one issue and those who want to see Hackett win, have been telling him about it over and over 90 times a day.

Doug

As a relatively new denizen of Ohio, I am aghast at their lack of concern whether their vote is counted --and counted fairly!-- or not.

Ohio appears to be the most troubled state in the nation, at least where corruption and scandal are concerned --- yet these people just don't care!
THEN they complain about "high taxes"; which is true --- only, as has happened across the country, Bush has not raised Federal taxes, yet the state in compensating for their needs have gone plumb crazy in increases.

Yet the bloody fools are STILL Bushites!

They deserve everything they so well deserve.
And they're finding out that no matter what spin Faux News, O'Lielly and Limbo put on it, they're still on the receiving end of the anti-citizen corporate greed.
They actually thought they'd be IMMUNE to the trials of life in America
i.e. Bankruptcy, repossession, defaulting on loans and credit cards. to which they are now indentured!

As for me, I'm actively looking to relocate ANYWHERE (other than Kansas) and it's vast ship of fools!
Buckeye blindness and stupidity is just too much!

OFF TOPIC FOR ME re: #17 -

Please consider visiting Tennessee if you're serious about relocating. We're not perfect (we have Bill Frist, need I say more?), but there are a lot of people here working on getting the crooks out of office.

Nashville is a particularly nice town, especially when the weather is warm enough for the street musicians to be out and about. "The Farm" is over in Summertown, and some of the original inhabitants still live there (and they are REALLY cool people, especially the kids) It's kind of laid back here, especially if you live in the rural areas, but land is inexpensive and it's not hard to find a nice farm for reasonable prices. It's the Bible belt, but there are a lot of blue islands in this red sea, and we tend to find each other. I've been happy with my Representative, who is very involved in supporting the arts and education. The senators - well, we're working to change that particular problem

Anyway..hope you'll consider, I'm sure we'll make you feel welcome here.

Gotta second #18.
Came here to TN 10 years ago from LA and have never returned. Nice place. Good people. I'm sorta pleased to see a lot of country white folks who are not Pubs. Indys and Dems.
I'm in Nashville (home of the first national conference on Election Reform, 4/05...), and I just came from a meeting tonight of the people called Gathering to Save Our Democracy; where we are working on the state bill to guarantee Voter Verified Paper Ballots. Good people. Come on down!
And The Farm. Cool old-time hippy dippy commune. Wish I could make myself go down there to live, but I'm a musician, and need to live here in town where the action is... : - )

That was the point of the joke, Dan. There always seems to be an extra 4,300 votes for Bush lying around in Ohio (or Schmidt).

Let's hear it for Bev at Black Box Voting. The majority of this unseemly and incessant corruption would have not come to light without her organization. She takes a lot of crap from all sides, but she has been in the trenches, and hasn't stopped. We need an army of Bevs.

And I could not agree more about Ohio being a cesspool. Not only is it worse than Florida in its neo-con infestation, it is also the center of the universe for neo-nazis and hatemongers. Also has some of the most warped brands of so-called Christianity in the world. They could put many of the extremist from the middle-east to shame in their fanatacism.

Ohio has a very bloody history also. Genocide against natives was inflicted, and the British, French, and American colonials did plenty of warmaking in Ohio.

I also live in Ohio and can't wait to get out of this awful state. The elections are a complete joke. Any recount is another sham. Only Diebold's votes count, and they just turned down all 4 election reform proposals in our last election. The state legislature made it even worse recently, making recounts or challenges too expensive or impossible. Of course, their "solution" is to make it harder for citizens to vote. It's just so pathetic, a disease that seems to be spreading across the country, one state at a time.

I have talked to enough people to see many former Bush supporters actively campaign against him in the last election. There is no way we voted for that prick. No way.

Watching the MSM, you would have no idea there was any problem other than a few long lines. A lot of people I know are so busy working and taking care of grandkids and/or parents, that they have no time for looking into other resources for the truth.

I'm afraid Blackwell will win, but only because it's already been set up that way. Even the punchcard ballots are counted by machine, and I believe the absentee ballots have your party marked on the outside envelope, so there is no escape. Diebold isn't the only corrupt game in town.

Like the bumper sticker says:

ONE MAN, ONE VOTE*
*(Offer not valid in Ohio.)

Well well....Diebold & ES&S are on the spot...

on the spot?

There's also alot of investigations starting to merge....maybe the nuclear ticking time bomb that is Ohio is set to explode, keep talking to EVERYBODY you know in ohio and demand they put all their legislatures on notice. Revolt, force investigations, and smoke out blackwell just like a tom delay.

Doug E

We must also focus on gerrymandering. Even if we eradicate the corrupable voting machines of Diebold, ES&S, and that ilk, we still have a problem.

Accountability is the foundation of election based democracy. If those who run for election so as to be soaked in power, which corrupts, are not held accountable for fighting their own corruption, and the corruption of other politicians, then they are to be voted out.

That is the entire concept of political accountability.

Yes, corruptable voting machines do overthrow that form of government.

But so does gerrymandering. Gerrymandering makes it far, far more unlikely that incumbents will be voted out.

Corrupt incumbents are the antithesis of accountability, and the chief architects of gerrymandering and loose election protocols.

Fight gerrymandering!

Does anybody know if Paul Hacket has made an issue out of how our elections appear to be stolen? I haven't heard him say anything about it. Why does he think he can win if the whole thing is a set up?

Fight for a voter verified RECORD of his ballot. Make sure a voter can prove how he cast his ballot and make sure it was recorded the way he cast it! Nothing else will serve!

Do you think that maybe Ralph Reed is refusing to get out of the Georgia race because of the voting machines there? Why should he get out? He knows who's going to win. It's been decided.

Ikeep saying Kerry won then Bush went to Ohio and ended up winning Iwill watch to see if anything is on cnn.I think will end same way in November elections . P aul may also of won. When will the Ameican people see what is happening to our country. and put thier feet down hard on Repubicans. Liebrman should go he fooled me when he ran with Gore not again.

You moonbats just need to take some prozac and chill out. The fact is Bush won by over 80,000 votes in 2000 and 135,000 votes in 2004.

There is no way that Ohio Democrats increased by 80,000.

Deal with it.

Oh Andy, you Rightwingnut, you are gullible aren't you? Were you born yesterday or the day before? Ever heard of an exit poll? Ever look at the results in Ohio? Didn't think so.....

Yeah Andy, and I'm the queen of england.

Read the sources first dumbass. Don't tell me you can't get past third grade and understand math now right?

Paul Hackett does know but apparently did nothing? Like I say, Ohio's going to take a standing revolution. The Gerrymandering cases are going to be heard and actionable in the supreme court now. And on top of that, republicans, democrats, independents are fed up across the board. They're tired of the loonies winning.

And they are winning via election fraud, for the neocons in the dem, repug, bipartisan primaries and general elections all over the place!!!!

Doug E.

All this means is that some people voted more than once and some people, who were not registered to vote, voted anyway. Simple as that

Oh Andy, you Rightwingnut, you are gullible aren't you? Were you born yesterday or the day before? Ever heard of an exit poll? Ever look at the results in Ohio? Didn't think so.....

Exit polls are worthless, that's why elections are decided on actual voting and not exit polls.

The exit poll argument is like trying to prove the Earth is flat because, even though satelites prove the Earth is round, just look at how flat everything is. Ignore the satelites and just look around at the flatness. The terms liberal and logic are polar opposites in meaning.

This blog is so difficlt to read - one must scroll sideways rather than down! Why is it so peculiar?

The only states where exit polls didn't predict the "winner" were those with Diebold voting machines (you know, the kind eminently hackable!

I don't read this blog due to the colour scheme

Hurts the eyes

Your content is excellent though.

The black on green background above as a highlight box might be a good alternative

Cyan on black isn't bad either, and would still allow for the radical look

Yellow on Green is for the Packers, but for my eyes, that is about it.

Goodwill to you, and undoubtably, I will be back, hopefully not bitching about the color scheme

Here is hoping I am the exception, not the rule

For democrats in all the counties of ohio that use diebold machines, organize a BOYCOT by only voting ABSENTEE. ???

For democrats in all the counties of ohio that use diebold machines, organize a BOYCOT by only voting ABSENTEE. ???

Mike:
Exit polls are univerally used to check the validity of vote tabulations, and large discrepancies such as occurred in the 2004 election are widely understood to be strong evidence of fraud. And for Ohio '04, there is plenty more evidence besides. Check this link for more info:
http://216.250.183.124/p...Election_Was_Stolen.html

Andy:
The figures you quote are precisely what are in question. Check the link.