Dear Brad,

The amazing Bev Harris strikes again! 2010? Who would have thought that 'Crazy Bev' would be the one to discover that Sequoia's secretly developed the ability to travel through time? That's the only logical conclusion based on the available evidence... after all, it allegedly says '2010' right on the tape and we've somehow managed to rule out the possibility that someone just set the clock wrong.

I'm calling my secret tree-hugging team of Canadian engineers first thing in the morning and ordering them figure out a way to bolt a temporal flux capacitor onto every TSx. If Sequoia has time travel then I want it too, dammit.

(Also I can't believe Bev made it through an entire article without even once using the word "stunning". Or misusing "flaunt" when she clearly means "flout". She's clearly losing her touch. At least she threw in a patented Really Big Number ™. At least 100,000 errors in the audit log! What the heck, why not make it a billion? It's not like anyone's going to actually bother to check the facts. )

Yours very truly,
Wally

"Fine election" is code for "We really don't want to talk about how many votes were lost." It reminds me of my days as a broker; whenever somebody in management was canned, to avoid embarrassing him and the firm, they'd say, "He's a fine person; he stepped down to pursue other opportunities."

Nobody ever got fired. And no election was ever rigged. Not as long as everything was "fine."

Only 100,000 errors ... isn't that close enough for Jeb Bush "gummit work"?

"Hell, no one is perfect" said Jeb, and walked off mumbling "democrats do it too".

Alert the media!

It is nice AP picked up the story. It would be nicer if CBS and CNN did. Or the NYT and WaPo. If any of them do, it would be nice--but inadequate. It seems to me the counties who use these machines would be contacted directly in ads run in their local papers for the benefit of local elections officials. Simple, paid notices in local papers. When was the last time something like that was organized?

Oh yeah--SOMEBODY TELL RANDI RHODES ABOUT THIS!!!!

Does anybody wonder why I want the voter to get a ballot image receipt that's legally binding toward a voter getting his vote corrected if it's recorded incorrectly, and that I want the elections people to have to post them by the ballots ID number so you can check? And get it corrected if it's wrong? It's been what, 1&1/4 years to dig this stuff up, more than a year and a month since the electors were certified? The feedback/verification on this needs to much more immediate.

Likely the date discrepancies were Y2K problems with the embedded chips.

re: # 7. Dry humor.

It's probably not so much the MSM "waking up", as it is they may be "getting tired" of Bush. All the stuff on the blogs is known to them, and has been. Ask yourself, why now? Why bring this election stuff up now, more than a year after the fact? Why did Lou Dobbs bring up business ties between the Bushes and UAE a couple nights ago? The Bush Family has been involved in shady deals for several decades. The MSM is just now finding this out? Not really. If they're just now CHOOSING to talk about it, it probably indicates a shift in the wind.

If Shado is right, then I am more than a little disappointed in the media. I suppose I should be thankful the media is making a choice , but it shouldn't be because it is choice that suits me personally. Honestly, I do not recall the media being so hapless and unresponsive and non-competitive in the 1970's as they are now. Is my recollection all that wrong?

Since the MSM is now owned and 1000-times more attuned to being a profit center than fact-purveyor, perhaps my recollection is right.

Brad;

What's your source for the tapes being turned over to the FBI? I can't find any indication of that anywhere on bbv.org and I don't see any attribution of that here.

Thanks,

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An unusually brief comment:

Every time anyone is able to obtain actual copies of records from elections held on electronic voting equipment, the story is repeated as if from a script:
The local officials state immediately after the election that all went well;
The vendors parrot that message;
When documents are finally forthcoming, normally months later, we find major errors, failures, and questionable actions;
The vendors and election officials blame the voters and poll workers, but never the equipment;
The problems would not have changed the outcome.
Conspiracy or coincidence?
It has happened in Maryland, Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Washington, California, etc.
When will citizens have had their fill of being lied to and demand accountability.

This story is bigger than the Iraq War! It's the biggest story ever! Will it be on TV, on CNN/ABC/NBC/CBS?

This story should be big. Why do I get the feeling it will be allowed to be swept under the rug?

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You forgot to add to your list, the MSM either doesn't report it, or cheerleads the election officials saying everything went well, THEN don't report on the proven anomalies.

Why isn't this story in the Huffington Post?

If it's not there, do we really expect it to be on CNN tonight?

Bilge - The quote I used in the article above, "Records are being turned over the the Palm Beach County office of the FBI Friday morning at 9:00 a.m." was taken directly from BBV's article on the matter (linked in the story) last night. Looks like that text may have been removed, though I don't see any explanation as to why.

Additionally, a BBV person confirmed that similar information to me via Email. Beyond that, I'll try to look into why that point seems to have been removed from the web page.

Big Dan - Lemme see what I can do to get some of this up onto Huff Po.

I think Shado has identified what might be called the "weak president" phenomenon. As long as Bush is under fire from his own party (on NSA spying, Abramoff/DeLay/Ney and now the port deal), the media are less afraid to join in the criticism. Instead of being in a powerful position where it can deny access for negative stories, the White House needs the media to get its own spin out. In other words, the balance of power has shifted.

Blowing the cover off the 2004 election is another matter. That has implications for the financial markets, the currency markets, our credibility in the world (already low), and for advertisers. Shado is right that the major papers and TV networks know the election was rigged; but as Seymour Hersh said, "It's too big a story to tell." Voluntarily, that is.

That's why the class-action suits against Diebold, and Clint Curtis' campaign for Congress, are so promising. The media won't have a choice but to cover what comes out. Their capacity to censor the story vanishes. They can't prevent the discovery process and they can't silence Clint.

Power to the people.

Thank you Brad, for your assistance in getting this very important story out.

As you know, I've been researching the trolls who are behind the continuing campaign to maligh Bev Harris for over a year now, and have written a series of diaries at Kos that document undeniable proof of a coordinated campaign.

I urge your readers to see for themselves, and learn the truth.

http://www.dailykos.com/...ory/2006/1/21/17175/3148

My sincere thanks,

John Dean

From above, "Records are being turned over the the Palm Beach County office of the FBI Friday morning at 9:00 a.m."

Should read, "Records are being turned over to the Florida Republican Party..." ?

Brad, I guess I get upset when something this big isn't trumpeted in unison on all progressive blogs. Not only does it upset me, but it is shocking. It happens a bit too much, the non-unity of progressives. The rightwingers are always in unison---albeit one "fucked-up" unison, but at least they're always together---again, albeit "fucked-up" and together. At least I admire them for their unity.

....Walden O "Dell"

If that was true, explain your argument better....

Walden O'Dell:" I know Brad just wrote that it uses wireless infrared communications, but the fact is that he's just wrong."

Prove it Walden. Lets see you prove these "machines" have no infra-red ports on them when I have personal photographs that have been taken of their outsides/insides and also testimony from a Jeff Fsher....

Come now Mr. O'Dell, surely you can explain that one....Did you know the constitution specifically forbids votes to be counted in secret, and that your *entire line of machines* counts votes in secret with no oversight? And proned to errors, malfunctions and convenient "flipping" of the votes?

You say the FEC does not ban interpreted code....yet the FEC didn't write the standards. That was the EAC.....And I can prove to you, in the law, Mr. O'Dell that those EAC standards say specifically interpreted code is ILLEGAL.

100,000 actual errors & miscounts in Palm Beach alone, Walden O'Dell. 100,000 on SEQUOIA TOUCH SCREENS. And Diebold is worse!!

Doug E. :laugh:

Reality check time: Any competent attorney can stall any kind of action for a greater length of time than is available before election time. Republicans innately understand this, while Democrats, despite legions of trial attornies, apparently don't, and it hurts us.

Please, use the tamper-proof paper ballots that every state in the union already has on hand and Vote Absentee.

Machines are easily rigged, but the people at Registrar's offices across the nation are staffed by neighbors, friends, family, coworkers, and fellow citizens whom overwhelmingly possess one vital characteristic: Honesty.

Put your faith in your fellow man and Vote Absentee!

John Dean from Santa Ana! I'm glad you've stopped by. I wanted to contact you but I couldn't find your diaries on kos earlier today. Between this Wally O'Sophistry fella here and Bev's diary on dkos being single-handedly shut down by a regular poster and his gang there, I've been interested in seeing your take on it.

"What Bev Harris assert happened, didn't happen."

Deny reality much Deanie Lowe and Walden O'Dell?

Proof that the time logs were ALTERED before/after election day.

Care to defend yourself? How about defending these "errors" in court. You claim they did not happen, Mr. O'Dell. I've passed this on to many highly qualified attornies. According to the evidence these vote miscounts did in fact happen.

That's enough that you're now on record for alleged perjury to multiple media personalities....so how much did the neocons give you again? Your little party is over.

Doug

100,000 * total amount of counties = "A "fine election" indeed."

Fortunately bush is doing a heck of a job.

MMI I've already added and handed over all this evidence plus some more tidbits to Paul lehto & multiple attornies.....they are adding it/ammending it to their suits against Sequoia or Diebold.

I'm going to give it to one in my own state as well because that may be required soon...

Doug

""Their results are noteworthy for consideration, but in a majority of instances they can be explained," said Arthur Anderson, the county's elections supervisor."

Anyone know what Arthur Anderson's explanation was? What kind of crap is "they can be explained"...this is more stonewalling...what IS your explanation, Mr. Anderson??? Does anyone out there know Mr. Anderson's explanation, or did he just SAY THE WORDS, "they can be explained"?

If they can be explained, Bev Harris should know of these explanations, and we'd all like to hear from Bev Harris what Mr. Anderson's explanation is, for the 100,000 errors. Or is this just more bullshit from Mr. Anderson? My bullshit detector is going off!

Let's see...hmmmmmmm....do I believe a Florida election's supervisor (a politician), or citizen/activist Bev Harris???

We all know politicians don't lie, right? I guess Mr. Anderson expects that we should "trust him"...

Mr. Anderson: Why did blackboxvoting have to sue in court to get these records, can you please answer that? For those idiots out there, the fact that BBV had to sue to rightfully acquire these records, and the courts backed them, proves they're hiding something. If they weren't hiding anything, they would've freely given BBV the records 9 months ago. What's your answer to that question? If BBV lost, would you have come out and said, "There's nothing to see anyway. BBV would've found that there was nothing wrong with the records."

It is however interesting to note that Arthur Anderson Consulting is the same company/employees as Accenture who makes the state registration databases....

For places such as Florida...

And Anderson has been confirmed to be filled with crooks. Indeed, would you trust what *they* say or would you trust George's lying eyes?

Or would you trust an outside 3rd party expert and/or legal attorney who has a JOB in ARGUING constitutional laws........How smart are you, is the question ?

Doug E.

February 22, 2006 and AP is jumping all over this story. Is this is the epitome of better late than never??? (Wink at these fckers). In the last days of George W. Bushit's 2nd term or if the robots in his Congressional Party have no choice but to impeach, you might hear about the Ohio Free Press and the Green Party massive evidence of the STOLEN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND BOGUS RECOUNT IN OHIO. With the recent changes that took place in Ohio, a recount will not even be POSSIBLE in the next RIGGED PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION under the SAME CIRCUMSTANCES.

In still other news and most important, the libertarians have argued for *reinstating the entire Ohio recount case* based on new evidence.

Doug

RLM, #19... Good call.

Have all you guys checked out the March issue of Harper's magazine? The editor emeritus Lewis Lapham calls outright for Bush's impeachment. The editorial is lacerating. Buy it, read it, if for literary pleasure alone.

the main problem seems to be that the "masses" think anything "true" is on TV ,Q.E.D. if its not on TV its a lie and the "net" ...

I was talking to my father in-law last night and he brought up 911 ,to which I said I didn't believe the truth is known as to who was behind it.So asked him to look at three pictures of WTC7 and to explain how they could fit the "Official story" (pictures here ,WTC 7 example).His come back was that "its been proven on TV" and that I was wrong to trust anything I read on the "net" because everybody knows its full of lies.
I've come across this type of thinking many times and am at a lost as to how to overcome it and present new information to the discussion.This applies equally to "election fraud" ,"Iraq" or 911.

MMI True enough...Thats the neocons REAL and only violent weapon.

Control of the TV networks....However tell those people to watch Democracy NOW, Link TV or any other channel. It will be all in their face and the evidence will be undeniable.

The neocons won't be able to hide it using their *PRIVATELY OWNED* Media soon enough!!!

Doug

Walden O'Dell

As I said, I invite you to present those arguments in court because nearly everyone disagrees with you on the issue.

Walden O'Dell"So... what makes their system "the best" to you?"

The fact that the Avante system is proven to use full-faced ballots; NOT partial ballots and does not use small illegible poll tapes instead of verified paper ballots.

Your systems use receipts that almost no one can read, and further, are disiginous for being able to check how individuals actually voted.

Further proof outlined on the conclusive security flaws; of EVERY Diebold machine and in comparison to other models.

I invite you to try to use your "exscuses" in court, Mr. O'Dell as that's what the public court is about. On the other hand, we have verified proof of you lying to MULTIPLE ELECTION CENTERS in Arizona, and now nationwide, about the Infra-Red ports and their accessibility:
http://www.bbvforums.org.../messages/1954/1954.html

Further I even have verified pictures from several individuals, and a whistle blower that the infra red ports are located on these machines. These documents are in the process of being handed over.

This is an argument you can no longer walk away from. We can prove, conclusively in COURT that YOUR MACHINES did not pass the required certification and further have proven insider access to the memory cards, therefore should be removed permanently.

First they fight you, then you win. Looks like we're winning O'dell. You are running out of exscuses faster than the neocons can spin them up; or you wouldn't be posting here under an assumed name.

Have a nice day.

Doug E

Doug: LINK TV and FSTV (free speech tv) are the 2 best news channels, and the ONLY good news channels. Here here! Doug! I thought I was the only one watching them. Have you seen any politicians on their channels? No. They do not accept federal money and they do not accept corporate money, and have no commercials. It's like a whole different world. And you feel good after watching the real news. Not frustrated.

"There was a fine election in November 2004," Shafer said."

""Their results are noteworthy for consideration, but in a majority of instances they can be explained," said Arthur Anderson, the county's elections supervisor."

In case you didn't notice, the "disinformation" has just begun.

Notice both of these assinine quotes are unchallenged by whoever asked them.

"Ms. Shaffer, on what do you base your statement that the voting went fine? Bev Harris is basing her statements on examination of the released audit records, which, by the way, Florida officials were trying to stop the release of in court. Ms. Shaffer, what's your answer?"

Replace "Ms. Shaffer" with "Mr. Anderson", and ask the same question. "You are saying words in the media, but on what facts are you basing those words? Bev Harris is just repeating what's on the audit records. You're just saying shit..."

Sadly, in the MSM, you will see the "Shaffer's" and "Anderson's" quoted more, even though they have no basis to back up what they are saying. This is what's wrong with the MSM. They will give people like that an unchallenged mass forum to just say shit/lies, on TV, unchallenged, totally unchallenged.

"On what do you base those statements?"

Bev Harris's answer is, "I base it on the audit records."

THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE THROWN IN JAIL!

The entire neocon media should be thrown in jail. But not until these are stopped, permanently. By the way Bev Harris and so on can go on any Network channel including Link TV.

If they want a real argument, they can make her come on the show.

Doug

Hiya BVAC,

As you might have noticed, DHinMI, Avila, tlh lib, and the other trolls at Daily Kos, have had their asses kicked in the past 24 hours in Bev's diary.

Now then, it's way to early to claim victory - after all, they're trolls, and they do what they do regardless of whether they get their butts kicked or not, but the the tide has most certainly turned, and I can imagine them talking this very minute in some secret chat room, wondering what their next move ought to be.

I checked you out a little before this response btw - and you really nailed it once when you talked about phony grassroot sites springing up (you worded it differently but that's the gist) - there are quite a few phony BBV sites as well, and it makes it hard for the unlearned to determine facts from noise sometimes...but the tide is turning now, and more and more know the facts.

I'm sure DHinMI, Avila, tlh lib (all who trolled my series of diaries at one point or another), David Allen, Roxanne Jekot aka BoredtoDeath, Vgerbert, and others, are in shock right now regarding the army of folks that came in to that diary and posted in support of Bev. I called in every marker I had, but a lot of folks were engaging independent of my own efforts to get the truth out, and I am proud of each and every one of them for standing up to these bullies.

Thanks for responding!

John Dean
Santa Ana, CA

Bev Harris: Can you confirm via post here, that there is still a lockdown in the MSM on vote fraud stories?

Let's put this in perspective too. Ohio's Ken Blackwell threw out voter registrations for being on the wrong paperweight. Now, 100,000 errors in the actual election are OK??? I don't care what the errors were! If Blackwell threw out registrations because of the wrong paperweight!!!

Just pointing out hypocrisy. Now 100,000 MAJOR errors IN ONE COUNTY BY THE WAY, are nothing, but registrations on .0000001% of the required paperweight GET THROWN OUT!!!

Do they think we're stupid?

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John Dean:

I was one of them that called DHinMI's beligerence for what it was.

It was truly unfortunate that that diary was hi-jacked by a handful of people when it was on the top of the recommended diaries list for quite some time.

I don't mind some polite dissent, but DHinMI (as usual) went completely overboard.

And KOS himself gave DHinMI's first obnoxious comment a "4" rating!!

I scratch my head over there sometimes.

Now, what's the deal with Avila saying that BH is using BBV.org for her own purposes? What's happened with BH calling Rhandi Rhodes? Why such the controversy with BH? I'm sort of in the dark here.
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What one has to keep in mind is that Daily Kos is an apparatus of the Democratic Party. Any subject that does not directly benefit the party will not be looked upon kindly, this is stated fact.

Electronic voting is an issue that doesn't have a nice PR appeal to it, and is perceived as something that will make Democrats look like sore losers, "tin-foil hat wearers," and "fraudsters". Therefore there is rarely the robust discussion that the issue demands, except to say 'look, we've taken a stand on this' further down the road.

One particular comment from DHinMI cries 'strawman!' when presented with the idea that kos has not been activist enough on this issue. 'Look at his post a week before the election' is his defense. I can't say I've read every diary in the past two years, but if there was a concerted effort to debate electronic voting, I would have noticed. There has not been.

Notice how they bring up every stale piece of information they can to steer the discourse. They want to drag the debate back to 2004, which is a dead end because no one can know conclusively what happened. The issue is no longer what happened in 2004, but what is going to happen in 2006 and 2008.

The large amount of errors shown in these machines during tests as well as historic data serve as a springboard for banning their use until more secure measures are put into place. A statement one week before the election decrying electronic voting machines might not be as effective.

It's interesting to note that Bev Harris' intent to be non-partisan in getting an honest, accurate, voting system into place for America is being so horribly skewed into a direct attack on the right wing.

Inadvertently, It seems to have turned out that way, in spite of her willingness to equally attack any questionable vote that favored non-Republicans.

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Bev Harris has not assaulted the right wing and the left either. She has assaulted everybody stealing elections.

Too bad for them.........and REALLY too bad for them that I'm in the war too, I just turned in their ass to another 50 groups for fun!

Doug E.

I submit my vote here for Bev to keep on "assaulting" whomever is not in support of an honest, fair, accountable voting process, left, center, or right!

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Isn't it amazing that nobody in the media ever connects the dots on election fraud?

A test is taken in Leon County, Florida by Ion Soncho. It shows a Diebold machine can be easily hacked with a simple insertion, and votes flipped.

Two months later Bev Harris discovers possibly 100,000 missing votes from 2004 in one Florida county alone. Meanwhile vote totals from 2004 in other states are called into question...Alaska, Arizona, California, Maine, Maryland, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina. Did I leave any out? Aren't these the tip of the iceberg, anyway?

All these disputes become individual left vs. right or he said/she said arguments, isolated from their larger context. John Kerry won the popular vote by 3 percent nationwide in exit polls. for God's sake! Is this rocket science?

I disagree with BVAC, who says the issue is no longer what happened in 2004. Until people fully recognize that John Kerry won the 2004 election, meaningful reform won't happen. Why so? After Al Gore won in 2000 and was denied the White House, the only reform we got was HAVA...which left the same crooked machines in the same crooked state and in the same crooked hands.

But these crooked machines did make it easier for blind people to vote. That's a relief.

So were the records turned over to the FBI or not?

Re: FBI

I did a 20-minute interview by phone on Thursday. The appointment with the agent was set for 9 a.m. Friday morning. She called me and asked to reschedule due to an amber alert.

The files we are providing are not the poll tapes, although if it gets to that, I would imagine they'll go get those from Palm Beach --- I doubt it will get that far.

We are providing the logs, which have more detail than the poll tapes. We also have electronic copies of the matching poll tapes which confirm the logs, and we'll provide those.

I had posted that story late, late late at night and had written it hastily. The lead paragraph had the info about the FBI, I think it was the lead sentence. About a half hour later, I redid the lead paragraph, because the point of the story wasn't FBI, that was downstory information. It remains downstory that the information is being turned over to authorities.

I kept the word "authorities" instead of FBI because these matters are cross-jurisdictional by nature. This information can be turned over to any combination of the following:

1) FBI (political corruption)
2) US Dept. of Justice (voting rights)
3) Cybercrime task force (computer crimes)
4) State attorney general
5) Secretary of State investigations division
6) Local prosecutor

As I said to the news reporters covering this, from time to time Black Box Voting comes into possession of some information that properly must be given over to authorities. We are not a law enforcement agency and we cannot make the final determination as to whether something should be prosecuted, nor do we have the ability to put records on lockdown or do law enforcement-style interviews of key witnesses.

The proper procedure is to turn the information over.

That being said, the priorities of law enforcement are not the same as the priorities of the voting integrity community. They have a limited number of people to do an overload of investigations, ranging from bank fraud to embezzlement to computer hacking to bank robbery to, as in the case of the FBI agent, amber alerts.

Whether a set of logs documenting "cast vote" entries two weeks before an election and in the middle of the night, for an election two years ago, when it's too late for a recount or contest, will ever rise to the top of that priority list is an open question.

It could, under the theory that another election is coming up and it needs to be determined whether a crime was committed in the past election by the people running the current one. It could, under the theory that if unauthorized information was introduced into a computer system, that constitutes a computer crime, but we cannot prove that unauthorized information was entered in, just that the vote logs contain incorrect information, at least as to time and date, that cannot be readily explained as "natural causes". It could, if the secretary of state was investigating the security and accuracy of voting systems, which comes under his/her purview.

We are talking Florida, though.

Clarifications -

Sorry I wasn't clear. Sleep deprivation does that to me, and I'm not the greatest writer in the world anyway.

Regarding the courts: We filed suit against Palm Beach County and Theresa LePore on Nov. 29, 2004 to get the records after she refused to provide them. Then Theresa LePore was replaced (she became the "Election Fraud investigator" for Palm Beach County, LOL, and I'm not kidding). She was replaced by Arthur Anderson.

We met privately with Arthur Anderson, and over the course of the next couple months, he dropped the opposition to the records production. Ultimately the case was settled out of court, with Palm Beach County capitulating.

And I also didn't make clear the status of the law enforcement stuff --- we will deal with that on Monday, and I have arranged to do so electronically and on the phone since I will be in Washington on that day, going to another state shortly.

Because of the delay --- I had hoped to ask for guidelines on the protocol of what to release publicly after the agent looked over the records --- at any rate, we've decided to go ahead and release the stuff publicly so everyone can look at it and come to their own conclusions.