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Yesterday, Senator Barbara Boxer delivered a letter to President George W. Bush demanding that he apologize for his role in using NIE intelligence for political purposes. Boxer's letter begins, "I am writing to request that you apologize to the American people for your role in declassifying information for political reasons and authorizing its dissemination."

Senator Boxer appeared on MSNBC Hardball to explain her reason for writing Bush. Boxer also spoke in support of Senator Feingold's censure resolution.

From the MSNBC transcript:

MATTHEWS: Thank you, David. Great report. With us now in California is California's own Barbara Boxer, the Democratic senator, who wants to censure President Bush for the NSA's domestic surveillance program and today SHE called on the president to apologize for, "declassifying information for political reasons during the Iraq war."

Let me ask you this, Senator, are you going to follow through with this? Are you going to try to get him censured?

SEN. BARBARA BOXER: Well, I absolutely feel that we can't close our eyes to what this president has done. You could ask me is it a smart, strategic move for the Democrats, I don't know if it is or isn't, Chris. But every day you think it can't get worse and it gets worse.

Now we see how hard the president himself tried to hurt Ambassador Joe Wilson, who told the truth about Saddam Hussein and the nuclear weapons program. He told the truth that it wasn't happening. And yet in fact, this president wanted to release information that even he knew, and the administration knew, was suspect.

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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
... tomz said on 4/12/2006 @ 3:48 pm PT...


How about serving some jail time for espionage instead of words. He didn't declassify it - he simply BLABBED it.


COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
... World Facts said on 4/12/2006 @ 3:54 pm PT...


That's my Barbara Boxer! Go get them and take it down with the trash.

I am glad california is still giving them nightmares with all the independents now elected there, and Boxer of the democrats kicking out all political corruption.

Hats off to State Senator Barbara Bowen too, she nailed Sequoia Voting System to the wall and got the ITA's to be brought in under oath!

:cool:


COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
... World Facts said on 4/12/2006 @ 3:55 pm PT...


Edit I meant to say state senator Debra Bowen. California really appreciates her support.


COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
... bluebear 2 said on 4/12/2006 @ 4:09 pm PT...


I guess etiquette forced her to begin:

"The Honorable George W. Bush"

After his reactions to Harry the other day I doubt he will even understand what Barbara is saying.

At least her reasoning makes a whole lot more sense than “I’m looking into that matter” Scotty's request for an Apology.


COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
... Robert Lockwood Mills said on 4/12/2006 @ 4:26 pm PT...


Barbara Boxer actually understated the matter. Her word "suspect" should be changed to "false."

And Bush knew it was false. It wasn't an error on his part, it was deliberate misinformation. He lied.


COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
... dsasman said on 4/12/2006 @ 5:39 pm PT...


This "fake" president is a bald-faced liar. He should be impeached ASAP! It's amazing to me that there was an impeachment tria involving Bill Clinton for lying about having sex with an intern, but this two-time loser can get away with stealing 2 elections, leaking the identity of a undercover CIA agent, lying about the reasons for going to war in Iraq, etc..... And he's still in office. Totally incredible.

Senators Boxer and Feingold are 2 of the people in the Senate with the courage to stand up to these lying liars. Many of the others are sheep who just follow along, which is shameful. My question is when will the others develop spines and fight back?

Impeach Bush NOW!!!!!!


COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
... dsasman said on 4/12/2006 @ 5:48 pm PT...


Correction:

This "fake" president is a bald-faced liar. He should be impeached ASAP! It's amazing to me that there was an impeachment trial involving Bill Clinton for lying about having sex with an intern, but this two-time loser can get away with stealing 2 elections, leaking the identity of a undercover CIA agent, lying about the reasons for going to war in Iraq, etc..... And he's still in office. Totally incredible.

Senators Boxer and Feingold are 2 of the people in the Senate with the courage to stand up to these lying liars. Many of the others are sheep who just follow along, which is shameful. My question is when will the others develop spines and fight back?

Impeach Bush NOW!!!!!!


COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
... 导电集装袋 said on 4/12/2006 @ 6:26 pm PT...


i like your blog,it's very good.


COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
... Josh said on 4/12/2006 @ 8:03 pm PT...


World Facts wrote the following:

"That's my Barbara Boxer! Go get them and take it down with the trash. I am glad california is still giving them nightmares with all the independents now elected there, and Boxer of the democrats kicking out all political corruption."

Barbara Boxer should apologize herself to the nation for voting FOR the extension of Bush's unPatriot Act. The woman is a traitor to the US Constitution/Bill of Rights. People can praise her all they want, but let's tell the truth about her.

As for kicking out all political corruption, Boxer is the one who urged Cindy Sheehan to NOT challenge California Senator and Iraq-war profiteer Dianne Feinstein. Feinstein and her husband are making millions from Iraq and Afghanistan contracts through his company, Perini. Now that she's up for re-election, Feinstein claims Bush "misled" her on the reasons for attacking Iraq. LIAR! You're making millions from it, you lying Bitch.

It would appear that Boxer is not for kicking out ALL political corruption.

http://www.publicintegri...aspx?act=pro&ddlC=45


COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
... Jo/Joy said on 4/12/2006 @ 9:07 pm PT...


Iraq Violence, Political Deadlock Continue
By VANESSA ARRINGTON, Associated Press Writer

53 minutes ago
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Four more American soldiers were killed in Iraq, the U.S. military said as the U.S. death toll for the month surpassed the total for all of March. More than 40 Iraqis also died, including at least 22 in a car bombing near a Shiite mosque northeast of Baghdad.


COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
... agent99 said on 4/12/2006 @ 9:15 pm PT...


Josh: Does it occur to you that Boxer may have had kindly motives for urging Sheehan not to run? What qualifications does Cindy Sheehan have for that job? Does anyone even know? I, too, am appalled and ashamed that anyone representing me would have voted for the PATRIOT Act, and I have no respect left for DiFi either, but I think I'd rather replace her after the Democrats have the majority back. Sheehan running in November, if she could have beaten Feinstein in the primary, could very well have lost the seat to a Republican.... Actually, would almost certainly have lost us that seat. Mellow out. Have some hot chocolate or something. We have to focus on keeping the criminals off of Iran now.

I say, it sure was nice to see Matthews being affable with a Democrat and letting her talk so much. It was a damn relief. I'm sick of the screaming and obstructing on shows like his.


COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
... World Facts said on 4/12/2006 @ 9:17 pm PT...


Josh, thanks for your interesting and well seasoned analysis.

I certainly agree that Boxer is far from perfect and has been up to alot of opportunism---that wasn't the point of my message.

The message was to outline how she stood up for California time and time again, and has done her very best, to curtail many absues including creating friction between the neocons of the feinstein side and progressives.

Frankly, I'd replace her with an independent myself. But there is no one better for the job right now!

:)


COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
... big dan said on 4/12/2006 @ 9:34 pm PT...


Cindy Sheehan has as much political experience as Lynn Swann, who is running for governor of Pa.


COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
... agent99 said on 4/12/2006 @ 9:49 pm PT...


I'm not even talking "political" experience. I want to know more about education, administrative experience, ability to fathom complex issues, judgment. We forget we are voting for people who will literally have control over whether we live or die, and I want to move toward a future where that stuff, not money, and not high emotional value, get people elected. While I love that Sheehan is so solidly against the war, her judgment is sometimes off, and I don't know ANYTHING about what other qualities or qualifications she might bring to public office. I do know she would have been bad for us in November, and commend her restraint because of that.


COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
... agent99 said on 4/12/2006 @ 9:52 pm PT...


Well. And, for CERTAIN, she gets an A+ in tenacity. That's a good quality. :)


COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
... Josh said on 4/12/2006 @ 10:07 pm PT...


Agent99 wrote the following:

"Josh: Does it occur to you that Boxer may have had kindly motives for urging Sheehan not to run? What qualifications does Cindy Sheehan have for that job? Does anyone even know? I, too, am appalled and ashamed that anyone representing me would have voted for the PATRIOT Act, and I have no respect left for DiFi either, but I think I'd rather replace her after the Democrats have the majority back."

LOL. Oh lord. Are you not aware of the electoral meltdown we're headed for in November? Are you also in denial about that and our easily-rigged and hackable voting machines owned by Republicans? Have you not read the reams that Brad and others have written about these gosh-awful e-voting machines? So, when do you think the pro-war Dead Democratic Party will have the majority back? And even if they were in the majority, why do you think that the majority would not be Bush Enablers too, just like the Dems have been since 2000 as minority?

Have another hit why don't you! That must be some strong stuff you've got. If you actually believe that the Dems are going to take back anything in November, you're in for a BIG surprise. And frankly, they don't deserve to take back anything. They have failed us miserably since 2000. One does not reward failed employees. One kicks them to the curb.


COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
... big dan said on 4/12/2006 @ 10:08 pm PT...


COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
... World Facts said on 4/12/2006 @ 10:56 pm PT...


Again Josh, we are all well aware at what is at stake.

Which by the way people are going to physically shut down the vote fraud and catch each and every perpetrator.....Debra Bowen did get the hearings completely rolling on the independent testing authority.

Cheney will be indicted and things will calm down for a bit....don't go all "doomsday" on people because, even if you don't realize it there are many who are working to resolve that issue.

It will get resolved and Boxer has done tremendous work in california on it.


COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
... agent99 said on 4/12/2006 @ 11:15 pm PT...


Yo, Josh, would you at least TRY to be constructive with your hostility, son?

Dan, there are so many blips on our radar lately, it's a wonder anybody can tell one from another. Thanks for the link.

WF, thanks for your patience.


COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
... big dan said on 4/13/2006 @ 4:14 am PT...


Brad, you should do an article on my post above:

IRAN --- RECENT COVERAGE FAILS TO NOTE ADMINISTRATION'S CREATION OF SECRETIVE IRAN GROUP:

According to Kaplan, the administration has formed what it calls the Iran-Syria Operations Group (ISOG), a body headed by Vice President Cheney's daughter, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Liz Cheney, and whose purpose is to encourage regime change in Iran.

Cheney is operating with more than $75 million at her disposal to ostensibly promote democracy in Iran.

????????????? What ?????????? Cheney's daughter heading up a WHIG-type group to drum up the war in Iran??? This isn't front-page news??? $75 of our tax money at her disposal????

I keep saying, we need to stop paying taxes and stop joining the military. Bushco is helpless without OUR tax money and OUR military!!! That supercedes stealing elections. Even if they steal elections, they can't do anything without our tax money and our military.

This article is HUGE! I can't believe I never heard of this. Sorry for being off topic. Is that Cheney's gay daughter? Or does he have another daughter?

It's the green-lettered link by me above...


COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
... Bia Winter said on 4/13/2006 @ 6:55 am PT...


Yes! that's my girl! Box their ears once again for ME, Barbara!
BB is a true Heroine for these times, and she can send Hillery home to bake cookies with her fat arse wrapped in a flag as far as I'm concerned!
A Boxer/Feingold ticket (or reverse) is the WAY TO GO in 2008!
She one of the inspirations for my Cartoon Super-heroine, Reality Chick

www.RealityChickComix.com

Like BB, she can really kick some Neocon Ass!

GrannyB


COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
... Bia Winter said on 4/13/2006 @ 7:02 am PT...


Big Dan,

how we'd LOVE to with-hold taxes!.. especially that largest portion that goes to the Miscreant's WARS!
Only trouble is, for most of us, our taxes are already WITH-HELD befor we even get paid!
The best we can do is hope to get SOME of it back at tax time. With THIS bunch, what are our chances of petitioning for more?


COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
... Robert Lockwood Mills said on 4/13/2006 @ 8:02 am PT...


For Big Dan: I usually agree with you, but I'd take issue with your statement that Bush & Co. are helpless without our tax dollars.

We got to a trillion-dollar deficit because Bush has simply been willing to borrow what tax dollars don't bring in, primarily for Iraq but also for politically inspired pork. The borrowing adds to the deficit, and interest on it makes it worse. As interest rates rise (the Federal Reserve is still raising them), an interest-on-interest factor takes over.

A taxpayer strike might still be a good idea, to keep the media focused on the deficit (they'd rather cover rapes and hurricanes). But Bush wouldn't be helpless...he'd just borrow more and leave the problem of lowering the deficit to the next administration. He has no conscience.


COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
... Martin said on 4/13/2006 @ 8:05 am PT...


Boxer is hurting our chances at winning elections.


COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
... hearya said on 4/13/2006 @ 8:28 am PT...


Big Dan,
I agree! This is huge. Cheney's daughter has been close to daddy for most of her career, starting at AID (Agency for International Development) and then worked with the Armitage group. (Richard Armitage was a long-time advocate of removing Saddamm. He was also mentioned in the Vanity Fair article about Valerie Plame as Bob Woodward's likely source for her CIA identity.) Cheney's daughter later did a stint at the World Bank Group. The woman knows how to push around big money. And no, she's not gay. Her husband is Philip Perry, the General Counsel of the United States Department of Homeland Security.

:doze:


COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
... bvac said on 4/13/2006 @ 9:07 am PT...


Martin:

You're a tool.

sincerely


COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
... CARL said on 4/13/2006 @ 10:28 am PT...


I NEED A BABYSITTER TODAY.

I THINK I WILL CALL REP. JOHN CONYERS OFFICE AND SEE WHO I CAN ORDER TO COME TO MY HOUSE AND BABYSIT TODAY ON TAXPAYER TIME.

PAULA ZAHN REALLY NAILED THIS CROOK CONYERS LAST NIGHT!


COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
... netset said on 4/13/2006 @ 10:30 am PT...


Senator Feingold has nothing but praise for the program.

Senator Boxer has nothing but contempt for the program.

Senator Feingold has been informed on exactly how the program works.

Senator Boxer has not been informed because she would immediately run to the media and lie about it.

Boxer is destroying the party.


COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
... agent99 said on 4/13/2006 @ 11:50 am PT...


Boy, we really got the monarchists stirred up here!


COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
... Charlene said on 4/13/2006 @ 12:06 pm PT...


Comment #14 Agent 99

Are you daft?

Sheehan hates Bush & what he's done with a burning passion.

That qualifies her for office in my book.

She's light years ahead of the rest of our elected officials already.


COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
... bluebear 2 said on 4/13/2006 @ 12:10 pm PT...


agent99

LOL


COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
... agent99 said on 4/13/2006 @ 12:34 pm PT...


Charlene, most of the Republicans in government got their votes because of who they hate, not who they are, and maybe you've seen how that's working out. Even if she is light years ahead of the others on hating the crimes --- which she's not, she just has the freedom to express it any old way she wants and to anybody she wants --- that's still not convincing me that she'd be better at seeing what's at stake with each new bill, reading the bills, knowing the sensible way to proceed with her vote, getting other senators on both sides of the isle to see it too. I'm not saying most of the ones we've got are any good at these things; I'm saying it's way past time we started requiring this. OUR LIVES ARE AT STAKE. So. I say we work really hard to get the Democratic majority, so that we have a prayer of booting out the FIENDS and stanching the flood of insults to the public good, THEN we start replacing the ones whose probity is lacking.

Heck, if hatred qualifies you, let's vote Josh in '08. ;)


COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
... Charlene said on 4/13/2006 @ 1:10 pm PT...


Agent 99 #32

I know where you're coming from with this.

I still say, it ain't rocket science up in Washington.

Sonny Bono was doing it. Sonny's wife was doing it. That wrestler guy, actors, etc.

They have aides that read everything for them & explain it.

Or, they can just go to citizen.org to see what to make of it all.

I'd be willing to APPOINT citizens at random to office--whether they want to do it or not. Forget elections. (Well, we don't even HAVE elections now anyway. Do we?)

Odds are, we would get better representation than we have now from the "professionals".

I mean, what's the worst the appointees could do--screw us all?

That's what we've already got.


COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
... Robert Lockwood Mills said on 4/13/2006 @ 1:11 pm PT...


Asking Bush for an apology is like asking Saddam Hussein for mercy. Neither man has the intrinsic modesty to ever oblige that kind of request.

But that's the way they do things inside the Beltway.
Boxer has to assume Bush means well, and merely slipped up in this instance. Feingold's call for censure is a little stronger, but still within the wide boundaries of respect for the presidency...the idea being that Bush will see the light and turn humble.

It might work with a better man. But Bush isn't a better man. He's weak at the core, and uses faux toughness to cloak his weakness. I think we should look at Boxer's request as Step One in a process. She knows as well as we do that Bush will never apologize for anything, to anyone, at any time...not on his best day on Earth. But as things go in D.C., she's way ahead of her peer group.


COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
... agent99 said on 4/13/2006 @ 2:04 pm PT...


Charlene, #33: Yep. Wanting the job to begin with should make us suspicious. I'd love to have a system where we get picked like we do for jury duty to scrutinize a bunch of candidates, selected by a group of experts, and then appoint the one on whom they unanimously agree. We'd get radically better results that way. The constitution sort of thwarts this kind of a plan, though. Damn.

I dreamed last night that the Supremes reversed themselves on Bush vs. Gore, and Al was whisked up by the Secret Service and brought to the White House. Scared to turn on my machine today and ruin the dream.


COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
... Mike J. said on 4/13/2006 @ 3:11 pm PT...


Sen.Boxer is grandstanding trying to get some of the attention paid to Sen.Feingold with his censure bill.

DSASMAN, (and anybody else)
Bush vs. Gore is a lost cause, ok? Get over it! You want some cheese to go with that wine/whine? I'll send you some Limburger. It fits your attitude.

I'm sure that the same controversy existed in 1888 when Pres.Benjamin Harrison won in the Electoral College but lost the popular vote to Pres.Grover Cleveland (who was the incumbent in 1888 and who won his 2nd term in the 1892 election). The reason for the Electoral College is just as true today as it was then.

Sen.Boxer thinks that she should be the 1st woman President, but she can't do it with Sen.Hillary Clinton in the way. Sen.Boxer hates Pres.Bush just as much as you people here do. So don't worry. Even though she talked Cindy Sheehan out of running for the Senate, she obviously thought that Sen.Feinstein would be better effective with their poor agenda.

BTW, some good news from Iraq, for those who think that there are no Al-Qaeda terrorists there:
Known Al-Qaeda Associate Killed in Iraq
Pakistani Army Kills Al-Qaeda Terrorist

We are winning this war, with or without your help. I served in the military in an earlier time, both active and reserve. I know that your friend Roger did too. Poll: Who else here did?

Have a nice day!


COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
... Joan said on 4/13/2006 @ 3:21 pm PT...


Re #27
I caught something about Congressman Conyers on Ed Schultz today but only a bit of it. Anybody know what's going on?


COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
... Joan said on 4/13/2006 @ 3:23 pm PT...


My late husband did, Mike. Air Force.


COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
... bluebear 2 said on 4/13/2006 @ 5:09 pm PT...


Mike J,

While you celebrate ponder the fact that Bushco has been using the Mujahedeen-e Khalq to infiltrate and start a war in Iran for the last year.

These are the same terrorists Sadam used "for acts of terror against non-Sunni Muslims and had assigned domestic security detail to the MEK as a way of policing dissent among his own people. It was under the guidance of MEK ‘policing’ that Iraqi citizens who were not Sunni were routinely tortured, attacked and arrested."

Have a nice day!


COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
... big dan said on 4/13/2006 @ 7:41 pm PT...


You know what everyone's forgetting? Belefonte called Powell an "Uncle Tom" YEARS AGO!!! Now, Powell just came out and said he knew there were no WMD's in Iraq and that he didn't believe what he was being told to say.

Some people call that being a "good soldier"...others call it being an "Uncle Tom"...

Wrongwingers: What are your comments on Colin Powell coming out and saying this???


COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
... big dan said on 4/13/2006 @ 7:44 pm PT...


Mike J: What about Colin Powell saying he knew he was lying when he said there were WMD's? No comment, of course. Wrongwingers are hypocrites, and cannot argue. They can't debate. They are silent when confronted with facts.

Mike J: What about Bush being told the weapons labs weren't WMD's, but then saying they were anyway? You are the poster boy for thick headed wrongwingers. You have no credibility if you don't answer those two questions.


COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
... big dan said on 4/13/2006 @ 7:50 pm PT...


Mr. Mills: I did think about that, that they run it up anyway, like a credit card. But we will pay for that anyway. But, the taxes he is using, more than 50% of it is going towards war. Not military pay, mind you, for weapons. That's the fallacy of the Republicans being "pro-military". They do not raise the actual soldiers pay with that money. Wouldn't it be a great campaign strategy, for a Democrat to say that if he got in office, he would immediately double every soldier's pay??? And pay for it by cutting the military weapons profit complex???

And what about people refusing to join the military and refusing to fight? I don't go for the "they're only doing their job". I believe Dredd said, and I agree, that each of us are responsible for our actions ultimately...and you or Doug (where has Doug been?) said "what about Nuremburg???" for those who say nothing happens to soldiers because they are only following orders???


COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
... Robert Lockwood Mills said on 4/13/2006 @ 7:54 pm PT...


For Mike J.: You only told half the story of the 1888 election.

Harrison carried New York by a whisker, with the help of some "friends."" Without New York he would have lost in the Electoral College. When Harrison heard the news, he said piously, "Providence has given us the victory." One of his supporters in New York, who had no use for Harrison personally, said to a reporter, "Tell that S.O.B. that providence didn't have a damn thing to do with it." Read into that comment whatever you like. I know what it means to me.

Harrison might have been the most pro-business president in American history. Yet he signed the Sherman Antitrust Act in 1890, because the "trusts" had taken over the free enterprise system and were driving competition away. The same thing is happening now (merger mania on Wall Street, unchecked corporate takeovers of smaller companies) because the Sherman Act is in mothballs.


COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
... big dan said on 4/13/2006 @ 7:55 pm PT...


Mike J: What about the 4 retired generals, who just called for Rumsfeld's resignation? I believe those 4 generals served in the military. And, I don't believe you served in the military, anyway.


COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
... dsasman said on 4/13/2006 @ 10:11 pm PT...


Mike J,
If you did serve in the military, I respect and appreciate your service and sacrifice. But that does not give you the right to criticize those who are against the occupation in Iraq. There were no WMD's and there is no link to 9/11! How can you foolishly support this man who avoided serving in Vietnam, but ironically is so quick to send our troops, many of them from the National Guard, over to Iraq based on a of a pack of lies? In the name of "freedom", the "fake" president claims, as he denies our right and freedom to vote Al Gore and John Kerry into office. Furthermore, I'm not whining. If you would just do the research on the election fraud that has taken place since 2000, maybe it wouldn't be so easy for you and others who share your misguided views to look away from the truth so easily. But it will come out one day.... Especially if Democrats can regain control of the House or the Senate this fall. Maybe we'll get to the bottom of why Jeff Gannon was at the White House so much and how he was able to lob softball questions to the "fake" president, among other things.

One more thing --- will you take some time to investigate what Iraq is really about? It's about money, primarily. Folks who are benefitting from this occupation are companies like Halliburton (Formerly headed by Dick Cheney). Halliburton and its subsidiaries have signed contracts for work in Iraq for billions of dollars. Over 10 billion dollars, to more be accurate:

"The value of Halliburton's Iraq contracts has crossed the $10 billion threshold. Halliburton has now received $8.3 billion in Iraq work under its LOGCAP troop support contract and $2.5 billion under its no-bid Restore Iraqi Oil (RIO) contract, a total of $10.8 billion. "

For more info, check out the url below:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121004A.shtml

It's time for the American People to wake up and take a stand against all of the lies and corruption!!
Wake Up Everbody!!

Support the Troops! Bring them home from an unnecessary war based on lies and deception!!!


COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
... Robert Lockwood Mills said on 4/14/2006 @ 7:07 am PT...


For Big Dan and Mike J.: The number of generals publicly calling for Rumsfeld's ouster is now up to six. Their comments were summarized today in the New York Times. The group includes Marines.

For any troll to continue to suggest that opponents of the Bush administration (non)policy in Iraq is unpatriotic, or that they are soft, weak, or even worse, "liberal," is beyond nonsensical. Mike, all you and your friends are doing at this point is making yourselves look silly. In terms of public opinion in re Iraq, we are now where we were in 1974 with Vietnam. Most people have had it...so that must mean "most people" are liberals, right?

The parallels with Vietnam are striking. To wit:

1) A costly, deadly war waged with no endgame and no planning for the aftermath.

2) A war waged against an imaginary third party
(Vietnam=Communists, Iraq=terrorists) wherein most of the people who died were neither Communists nor terrorists.

3) A lack of appreciation for the nationalism of the indigenous population, who hated being bombed by people they had never threatened.

4) A president fearful of appearing weak (applies to Bush, Johnson, and Nixon about equally).

5) A Congress and public so afraid of being called unpatriotic that they went along with a failed policy for years before seeing the light.


COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
... bluebear 2 said on 4/14/2006 @ 8:06 am PT...


Here's Agent99's link in clickable format. This is a Must See!


COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
... big dan said on 4/14/2006 @ 10:11 am PT...


Mr. Mills, the new definition of "liberal", is "anyone who disagree's with Bush." This includes Republicans who disagree with Bush. They are, believe it or not, referred to as "liberals" by Bushco wingnuts!!! So, everyone's a liberal, except those who agree with Bush.


COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
... mike said on 4/14/2006 @ 12:05 pm PT...


a previous person said this...

"I say we work really hard to get the Democratic majority, so that we have a prayer of booting out the FIENDS and stanching the flood of insults to the public good, THEN we start replacing the ones whose probity is lacking."

you might want to read this article:

Dems and integrity, the moon and green cheese --- detect a pattern here?

By Mark Drolette
Online Journal Contributing Writer

Apr 13, 2006, 13:48

Stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it.

Stop it now, stop it, just stop it.

Please: Stop it now!

For those who continue to suggest the Democrats can somehow save our wretched and forsaken land, I beseech thee: Wake up and smell the corruption.

You are intelligent. You are kind. You care deeply about your fellow human beings. We know you have superb taste in columnists.

You are also clearly on the correct side, because if there were ever anything in this heavily gray area-tinged world that is laid out in stark black-or-white, right-or-wrong terms, it’s Us the Good Guys and Gals vs. the neocon-driven Bush Bastards.

But you have a curious --- and maddening --- blind spot that is a big-time time-waster, a non-starter, an energy sucker-upper, the Mother of All Dead-Ends: You still engage in the fantasy that if we work really hard, even harder than we all worked last time, which was damn ass-busting hard, we can get the Democrats back in power, buy some breathing room and start the long uphill climb back to semi-respectability for America.

Ain’t gonna happen. No way, uh-uh, no how. Fuhgeddaboutit.

Hope is nice. Gotta have hope. But delusional is, well, just delusional. (I say that only in a nice way.)

For one thing, America’s major elections are rigged. The fix is in; the jig is up.

Repeat after me: The fix is in; the jig is up.

Now, I could be wrong, but I’ve always thought sham balloting has the rather annoying side effect of taking the wind right out of democracy’s sails.

As if that weren’t bad enough (and it is), just what in the slimy, spineless, mush-mouthed, pants-wetting, knee-knocking, finger-in-the-air, thumb-in-your-eye, two-faced, CYA-ing recent past of the Democratic Party leads you to believe that in any way, shape or form these bipedal jellyfish can lead us to the Promised Land, or even the Implied Parking Lot, even if by the most miraculous of miracles the GOP somehow forgets to throw the vote-conversion switch in the next selection and the Dems manage to regain a majority somewhere?

Give me some names. Please. Tell me what Democrat has got the guts to stand up in front of the whoreporate media microphones and say: “You know what? The American people have been had. Our democratic republic does not exist. We are in the grips of murderous fascists who spit on the Constitution, or what little tiny scraps may be left of it, every chance they get. Not only that, but there’s every indication 9/11 didn’t go down the way we’ve all been led to believe it did and I demand answers NOW, no matter the implications.”

Oh, yeah, that would be something, wouldn’t it? Far too many questions remain about what really happened on September 11, 2001, a day that spread wide the gaping hellmouth of all gaping hellmouths and loosed the flesh-shredding monsters comprising the Bush administration to wreak their uniquely gruesome brand of havoc on, oh, let’s see, everyone in the world who isn’t them.

An independent and open investigation of 9/11 --- truly independent and open --- needs to be conducted by a panel comprising experts in physics, aviation, engineering, construction, demolition, metallurgy, photography, insider trading, etc. The “official” explanations of that shockingly barbaric day are pure rubbish. As many have rightly noted in a multitude of finely researched, detailed and compelling articles: How can three skyscrapers, one of which wasn’t even hit by a plane, free-fall into their footprints in the same day? Why did even one of the WTC buildings collapse, considering no skyscraper before or since has ever been brought down by fire?

Allow me to suggest a slogan: WTC? WTF??

And so I ask: Do you honestly think a Dem will call for such an investigation, ever? Are you really going to put your faith in Hillary “Always Toe the Waters” Clinton, Joe “Used Car Salesman” Biden or John “Rollover” Kerry to suddenly show what they’ve yet to demonstrate they hold even a thimble’s worth between them: integrity?

Did I hear someone say Russ Feingold? Yeah, okay, I applaud Russ’ censure move, too, and certainly his lone senatorial vote against the USAPATRIOT Act, but even he, just like practically the whole sorry, seedy, scaredy lot of ‘em, will only go so far, which ain’t nearly far enough.

Check this quote of his during a recent trip to Iraq: “It’s the reality of a situation like this that when you have a large troop presence that it has the tendency to fuel the insurgency because they can make the incorrect and unfair claim that somehow the United States is here to occupy this country, which of course is not true.”

Yes, of course. Not true. Attaboy, Russ. Way to completely ignore the Project for the New American Century and its right-on-schedule plan of removing U.S. military bases from our enlightened, freedom-loving good buddy Saudi Arabia’s territory and building permanent ones right next door in Iraq, at least four of which Tom Engelhardt reports as being humongous “super-bases” and all of which have been under construction ever since the occupation --- whoops, non-occupation --- began.

Just exactly who, senator, is gonna staff these babies --- dust devils?

Perhaps, gentle reader, your longing eyes are cast toward Barbara Boxer, the good senator from my home state who, on January 6, 2005, along with Ohio Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones, challenged the eligibility of Ohio’s 2004 20 electoral votes.

Or did she? Boxer asserted on that painfully depressing day on the Senate floor that she was “joining with Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones” not to claim that George W. Bush had stolen the presidency (again), oh, no; but rather “to cast the light of truth on a flawed [balloting] system which must be fixed now.”

Nice try, Barb, but a little late. Sure it was brave of you to inconvenience your 99 fellow clubbies for a couple of hours. But it wasn’t enough. Not by a long shot. It falls just a smidgeon short of using your center stage moment to tell the world the harsh truth, that what it was witnessing that day was nothing less than the final nail being unceremoniously pounded into the coffin of our democratic republic and the official birth of American Fascism.

In fairness, there are a handful of Dems who do have real guts, folks like John Conyers, Jr., Dennis Kucinich, Cynthia McKinney and Barbara Lee. But they’ve all been marginalized to one extent or another by their whore, er, more “practical” political sisters and brothers.

If genuinely, dear reader, your understandable great white-knuckled hope is for fresh blood to somehow reinvigorate the Democratic Party, forget it. Any Dem newbie who doesn’t play by the rulers’ rules --- which in BushWorld means keeping one’s mouth shut and protecting one’s precious little piece of allotted turf for fear of certain incriminating photos hitting the ‘Net or family members being disappeared --- finds it’s not all that long before his or her very own party’s old guard is issuing pointed instructions on how to maintain one’s proper place in the scheming scheme of things lest there be a noticeable lack of party machine support come the next faux voting cycle.

Speaking of pointless exercises: A friend in Canada suggests we Americans at least have some fun with the election charade we insist on holding biannually. (Hey, if we’re going to get screwed, we might as well enjoy it, eh?) For real kicks and giggles, he says, we ought to, all of us, “vote Republican. Then, upon exiting the polls, act like one. In other words, lie. Say, ‘I’m a registered Democrat and I always vote the party line.’ When the exit polls show 50-50 (or whatever is announced) but the Republicans see they don’t have to fiddle with the votes and in their hubristic giddiness allow the announcement of the real 100 percent total, they’ll have a whole lot of ‘splainin’ to do (although, ironically, they’re telling the truth for once!). Plus, in this scenario, the snakes are left to collectively stand naked (a revolting mental image; sorry) and be seen for what they truly are: the one-party puppets of the real power holders, big bidness. On the other hand, if the announced ‘official’ numbers are instead the now-traditional 52-48 percent GOP winning margin, this is additional proof, then, that the results are pre-programmed.”*

After all, my friend asks, “How bad can it get?” Indeed. In fact, I think his plan has real merit, for it only prolongs our ongoing agony to keep any Dems around at all. It’s been obvious for years how utterly ineffective they are, but it is much worse than that, as their continuing presence provides the Bushian fascists with a patina of legitimacy, making it appear to the less astute (and we know how many of those there are) that some sort of democratic process still exists in America. Believe me, the last thing the Rethuglicans want is for all the Dems to split.

Although, frankly, I guess it wouldn’t matter all that much if they did. I have long contended that when it comes right down to it, when it is necessary, when Bushco’s cover is at last fully blown, when enough Americans have finally had enough and take to the streets in sufficient numbers to rattle some cages, they’ll find tanks --- and cops and soldiers and mercenaries and helicopters and dogs and teargas and bullets and truncheons and hoses and horses and trucks and buses (gotta get people to those Halliburton-constructed “temporary detention” facilities somehow) --- to meet them.

The Bushies have slaughtered over 100,00 Iraqis (possibly up to a quarter million, per Dahr Jamail), sent more than 2300 U.S. soldiers to needless deaths, allowed 1,400 Americans to drown and die of thirst in Katrina’s wake and most likely murdered 3,000 of our own countrymen and women in New York, D.C. and Pennsylvania.

Blowing Americans away in the streets? Small potatoes.

I don’t care how many useless votes are cast or how many fine candidates there seem to be: The more-equal animals are not leaving of their own accord, and the complicit Democrats have enabled them to stay hog-slop happy in charge every sickening, self-serving step of the way.

We are entirely on our own, folks, and have been for a long time. If we are to ever survive the pure hell in which America is squarely mired, it is up to us --- and only us --- to pull her out. No one else is gonna do it. Nobody is gonna save us. The longer we wring our hands and furrow our brows, the worse it gets. Meanwhile, the rest of an exasperated and threatened world is looking on with horror and going:

Stop it; just stop it. Stop it now.

*Actual quote may vary.

Copyright © 2006 Mark Drolette. All rights reserved.

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COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
... agent99 said on 4/14/2006 @ 12:41 pm PT...


It pains me the more if he really was in the military. At least when it's pompous castrati monarchist dolts who can only slobber at the slaughter it doesn't make one so heartsick that a countryman could write those things. If he really was in the military, he's ruined his mind and heart trying to hold back the realization of the travesty perpetrated upon him.

http://www.ucsusa.org/gl...ster-rnep-animation.html

Going to cheer this on, Mike?


COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
... Mike J. said on 4/14/2006 @ 5:48 pm PT...


Joan,
I would thank your late husband for serving our country and I thank you for being supportive of him.

Cheers!


COMMENT #52 [Permalink]
... Mike J. said on 4/14/2006 @ 5:50 pm PT...


Bluebear 2,
Don't point me to RawStory. I would not point you to Drudge Report because you would not believe Drudge. RawStory appears to be a liberal viewpoint news website. I address this to you in another thread.

Cheers!


COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
... Mike J. said on 4/14/2006 @ 5:56 pm PT...


Big Dan,

Please give the link to a MSM story about Mr. Powell that you refer to. I certainly will respond IF I see it for myself. I would not be the silent-type since I have been lurking around here for several weeks now. Hey I give you guys somebody to yell at, right? :-) I addressed my opinion on the labs in that topic's forum. My credibility is not determined by you, let's get that understood. Show me the story and I'll read it.
Re #44, now I realize that you try to heat people up with your comments because you said that in the WMD thread to another. I work with people like you, so I know how that goes. Those retired generals are 5 out of 9000. Do the math.

Cheers!


COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
... Mike J. said on 4/14/2006 @ 6:09 pm PT...


Agent 99,
Look I was in the military for 3 years active and 7 years reserve (one weekend a month plus 2-weeks in the summer). I can also wonder about what I see as wrong headed thinking on your part. It was in the military that I learned duty, honor, and dedication. I also learned that the way to defeat evil is to be stronger than evil. Peace through superior firepower.

So you point me to a peace activist, anti-nuclear, environmentalist group of scientists. Well their video is presented as fact and the way they present it does makes sense. Bomb the openings instead of bust the bunkers with nukes. But the pilots have to know where the openings are first. That may be difficult. I don't want radiation to spread all the way to India either. It's an interesting problem. What do you suggest? Wait until Iran has a nuclear weapon? Their new president is absolutely crazy and was one of the hostage takers in 1979:
Debate Grows over Iranian Prez

Write what things? I have not "ruined my mind". I can say that about the crazy things I read here from you guys. Conspiracy theories here are all over the place. Those are the things that have ruined your minds. Some of you actually think that our own government people destroyed the WTC? Nuts! I'll tell you how those other 2 towers fell, IMHO. They were much shorter than the #1 and #2, weren't they? Yes. When you have watched a controlled demolition the building does not go straight down as much as they want it to. It's pieces go to one side slightly. When the planes hit the towers from the side at 500mph, their kinetic energy made many pieces fall on those shorter buildings and damaged them so much like thousands of wrecking balls that they were badly damaged and their structure was compromised. Simple enough for you? . And you say I'M being ruinded? Ha!

The only travesty is if Democrats take over the Presidency and the Congress, then proceed to cower down to our enemies of nations, terrorists, and people.

I also hear from Democrats in Congress that if they win the majority, they will try to impeach Pres.Bush. It's really because the Republican majority Imeached Pres.Clinton, though. That would not be fair to Pres.Bush, but I don't expect that to stop Congressional Democrats.

Cheers!


COMMENT #55 [Permalink]
... Mike J. said on 4/14/2006 @ 6:13 pm PT...


Agent 99,
Look I was in the military for 3 years active and 7 years reserve (one weekend a month plus 2-weeks in the summer). I can also wonder about what I see as wrong headed thinking on your part. It was in the military that I learned duty, honor, and dedication. I also learned that the way to defeat evil is to be stronger than evil. Peace through superior firepower.

So you point me to a peace activist, anti-nuclear, environmentalist group of scientists. Well their video is presented as fact and the way they present it does makes sense. Bomb the openings instead of bust the bunkers with nukes. But the pilots have to know where the openings are first. That may be difficult. I don't want radiation to spread all the way to India either. It's an interesting problem. What do you suggest? Wait until Iran has a nuclear weapon? Their new president is absolutely nuts and was one of the hostage takers in 1979:
Debate Grows over Iranian Prez

Write what things? I have not "ruined my mind". I can say that about the nutty things I read here from you guys. Conspiracy theories here are all over the place. Those are the things that have ruined your minds. Some of you actually think that our own government people destroyed the WTC? Nuts! I'll tell you how those other 2 towers fell, IMHO. They were much shorter than the #1 and #2, weren't they? Yes. When you have watched a controlled demolition the building does not go straight down as much as they want it to. It's pieces go to one side slightly. When the planes hit the towers from the side at 500mph, their kinetic energy made many pieces fall on those shorter buildings and damaged them so much like thousands of wrecking balls that they were badly damaged and their structure was compromised. Simple enough for you? . And you say I'M being ruinded? Ha!

The only travesty is if Democrats take over the Presidency and the Congress, then proceed to cower down to our enemies of nations, terrorists, and people.

I also hear from Democrats in Congress that if they win the majority, they will try to impeach Pres.Bush. It's really because the Republican majority Imeached Pres.Clinton, though. That would not be fair to Pres.Bush, but I don't expect that to stop Congressional Democrats.

Cheers!


COMMENT #56 [Permalink]
... Mike J. said on 4/14/2006 @ 6:16 pm PT...


Hmm. I don't know how that posted twice. I am having problems with the spam filter and I'm having to rewrite parts of my post to figure out what word(s) are tripping the filter. Sorry for the double-post. I have one more to go here.


COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
... Mike J. said on 4/14/2006 @ 6:31 pm PT...


Robert, (one paragraph at a time because of the spam filter)

That was an interesting take on Pres. Harrison. What book are you reading that from? I enjoy reading about history, so I would like to find that book. But your point about his business and Sherman Act has nothing to do with my point. Interesting, but off my point. The fact is that he won the Electoral College but lost the popular vote. THAT is what I was comparing the 2000 election to because 2000 was not the first time this happened. I'm sure that Pres. Cleveland's people whined a lot about it. Yes?