READER COMMENTS ON
"Results of Close Busby/Bilbray U.S. House Special Election in Doubt!"
(95 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 6/7/2006 @ 2:36 pm PT...
If Bilbray wins 51%-49%, there should be a riot!!!
Bush 51%-Kerry 49%.
Schmidt 51%-Hackett 49%.
Casey is ahead double-digits in Pa. in pre-election polls. That means, on e-vote machines, Santorum 51%-Casey 49%.
If Bilbray wins 51%-49%, people should march on the streets. The will of the people is being undermined. We can't get these people out of office with controlled e-vote machines.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 6/7/2006 @ 2:38 pm PT...
Anyone taking any bets on "Bilbray 51%-Busby 49%"????????????????????
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Savantster
said on 6/7/2006 @ 2:45 pm PT...
heh.. pRicky! here ya go! You win again because Brad is pointing out that "security measures" were crap and these "easily hackable machines" could well have been hacked in an important election!
Of course, you LOSE because we all LOSE when the "will of the people" is thwarted by EITHER SIDE..
But then, we already know you don't care about "right or wrong", you only care about "winning".. you make that abundantly clear every time you snear "my party is in control! suck on that! you suxorz!"..
Not to worry.. some day you'll get hair down there, the zits will stop popping up like wildfire, and your voice will stop cracking. Then you can come to the adult table and talk with us.
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robin Gibson
said on 6/7/2006 @ 2:52 pm PT...
I would gladly volunteer to help recount for free. Let's get rid of the big money they always charge and have volunteer citizens recount all of it.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
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MrBlueSky
said on 6/7/2006 @ 2:53 pm PT...
Brad:
Have you been in contact with the Busby campaign? Does she plan on disputing the results?
That was the whole problem with the Kerry 2004 campaign... you and bloggers like you around the world (literally!) built the case for vote machine fraud but Mr. Kerry never made the challenge.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
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Old Turk ---- SEND BRAD $$$$$$$$ !!!!!
said on 6/7/2006 @ 3:15 pm PT...
Very well written Brad,..
Democracy is being thrown in to the nearest
trash dumpster,.. should we not do something
about this ?
Democracy was a "Quaint Concept"
that out lived it's usefulness,.. don't needlessly
devote wasted energies worrying about this,.. we
should just move on,..
Is this the recommended approach
that should be taken to deal with this atrocity ?
Don't worry,.. be happy,.. FASCISM is not a bad as
you may think.
WAKE UP AMERICA !
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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bvac
said on 6/7/2006 @ 3:31 pm PT...
There was some video thing on CNN by some pundit whose name I don't remember about how all of the recent elections have been very close, but always favoring Republicans even when they weren't expected to. It went over the 2000, 2002, 2004, and 2005 elections highlighting the victories of Schmidt over Hackett and Bilbray over Busby. It seemed to spot the trend and I thought he might've mentioned election shenannigans, but at the end he just posited the idea that the Republicans are God's party and ended the segment. CNN - the most reliable source for news and information... in the WORLD.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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labdad
said on 6/7/2006 @ 3:35 pm PT...
So, what can we do to get rid of these frickin' machines?
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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Harry
said on 6/7/2006 @ 4:06 pm PT...
Don't understand. The State of CAlifornia SOS records shows that Busby had 9000+ more votes than Bilbray with 100% of Precincts reporting. Did Bilbray make up that difference in the absentee ballots?
I think a manual re-count is in order. Something is very wrong here. Busby should not conceed.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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Patrick Dodd
said on 6/7/2006 @ 4:12 pm PT...
We need to pass referendums making the machines illegal, mandating exit polling, ...
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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bvac
said on 6/7/2006 @ 4:19 pm PT...
Harry: Those are the results from the primaries. Yesterday's election came out 60319 - 55587 for Bilbray (allegedly).
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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Floridiot
said on 6/7/2006 @ 4:23 pm PT...
Bvac, that is 51% to 49%....HOLY SHIT !!!! (again)
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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Patrick Dodd
said on 6/7/2006 @ 4:24 pm PT...
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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john
said on 6/7/2006 @ 4:24 pm PT...
Fascism in America STARTED in 1980.
http://fuller.mit.edu/pe...gan_hostage_19910415.htm
An Open Letter to the United States Congress From Former American Hostages in Iran (June 13, 1991)
For the last ten years there have been rumors, reports and allegations of foul play in the 1980 presidential election. The thought that any American, whether a private citizen or government official, may have participated in delaying release of the hostages for political gain is distressing.
The question of whether there is evidence of any wrongdoing must be answered by an unbiased, bipartisan congressional investigation with full subpoena power. Unless this happens, speculation and unanswered questions will erode public confidence in our electoral system.
Respectfully,
Charles W. Scott, Barry Rosen, Moorhead Kennedy, Jerry Plotkin, David M. Roeder, Robert C. Ode, Kevin J. Hermening, Donald R. Hohman.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
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Patrick Dodd
said on 6/7/2006 @ 4:25 pm PT...
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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Pam
said on 6/7/2006 @ 4:39 pm PT...
Yes, sleepovers for voting machines. I was interviewed on our local news station about it prior to the election.
The procedure is that certain pollworkers are assigned equipment to take home with them upon receiving their training. They then bring it to the polling place on election morning early, and set up. Depending when they have training the machines could be at their homes for more than a week or two.
For this June primary, the DREs were essentially there just for disabled voters. There was no encouragement to use them. My polling place had two DREs, one set up with the audio / accessibility module, and the other basically in use for the purpose of programming (encoding) the voter cards in case anyone had to use the (other) DRE. Both were equipped with VVPAT printers, as is the law in CA. (A tech-savvy pollworker I spoke to lamented the flimsy design, saying surely they could have done better...)
However, the story is that November's election will be all-DRE. Despite that plan, I suspect that San Diego will never be without paper ballots in the polling place (not after the March 2004 fiasco, when thousands of voters were disenfranchised by machine malfunctions causing late opening of polling places, and no paper ballots available for emergencies) again. But will there be enough, if voters ASK for them? Possibly not.
Best,
Pam
VerifiedVoting.org
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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Diane
said on 6/7/2006 @ 4:41 pm PT...
I called Busby's headquarters in Cardif. It didn't seem like they'd read Brad Blog today.They were in the middle of a staff meeting but I was able to briefly mention the handling of the Diebold machines and said I was sorry she conceded so quickley.
Is there any recourse now? Someone needs to talk to them. Busby must speak out !!!
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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Nunyabiz
said on 6/7/2006 @ 4:43 pm PT...
I think every single democrat should DEMAND a hand recount on every election.
If Busby concedes even though she knows perfectly well the extreme likelihood of voter fraud then she deserves to lose, just like Kerry.
Kerry literally fell all over himself getting to the podium to concede because he couldn't get there fast enough.
It was disgusting to watch.
Every single Democrat should make it a point to not concede until a full hand count is taken.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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Floridiot
said on 6/7/2006 @ 4:47 pm PT...
John, I agree totally If Cheney would only do a death bed confession (I think hes already dead though)
The only way the Pukes could ever have gotten into power is through a coup of sorts, and that was it right there in your post
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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Em Aitch
said on 6/7/2006 @ 4:48 pm PT...
What I emailed to the DCCC. (A note of background info: They're always saturating my inbox with requests for money. So far I haven't budged)
Is anyone paying attention? The California's 50th district used DIEBOLD voting machines!! There might have been tampering--no one has any way of knowing for sure!! If you have one molecule of true blue democrat lurking anywhere in your body(ies), you will insist with Francine Busby that the result MUST Be challenged.
Please don't escape this opportunity to cause a ruckus!! Please remind us everyday working family democrats why the DCCC is something I should contribute money to. A campaign on behalf of Francine Busby would help nudge me closer and closer to my check book...
For more information, please consult www.bradblog.com. He states the case for challenging the election results very plainly.
Sincerely,
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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Charlie L
said on 6/7/2006 @ 4:55 pm PT...
If Busby doesn't ask for a review of the number of provisional ballots that were declared "spoiled" and perhaps a hand-recount of some of the pricints, then she can NOT expect to be supported again.
Democrats get only ONE chance to show that they will fight for our votes to be counted --- after that, they are TOAST.
No "keeping your powder dry" or as we call it now "doing a Kerry."
BUSBY DEMAND A FULL ACCOUNTING OR GO TO HELL!!!!
Charlie L
Portland, OR
Check your records, you'll find my out-of-state $25 donation. MAKE GOOD ON IT NOW!!!
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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sam samson
said on 6/7/2006 @ 5:04 pm PT...
Gee whiz, there sure have been a lot a close elections lately. . .
I guess it must be because the public is so evenly divided over the issues. . .
Uh huh
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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Roger
said on 6/7/2006 @ 5:51 pm PT...
Did anyone notice on Lou Dobbs that he questioned the integrity of elections because of the Sequoia machines but not the Diebold machines and in the same broadcast from tonight (6-7) accepted the election results between Bilbray and Busby without a peep? I've been watching Dobbs for a while now because he seems to be the only one on MSM that has any outrage at the behavior of our government but please. Why doesn't he mention Diebold and their BS?
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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calipendence
said on 6/7/2006 @ 5:54 pm PT...
I voted yesterday for two elections that were unopposed in "nonpartisan" races with Republicans running (Bonnie Dumanis and Larry McCallister). Someone had earlier posed the idea of writing in "Paper Ballots Only" to make them protest votes. I thought that was a cool idea, and then right before the election, and I'd wished I'd thought earlier about this, that perhaps if enough of us were to vote this way it would force a hand recount of all of the scanned ballots, so that if any of them were being doctored for Busby's race, it would be seen by those counting all of our "write-in"s. When looking at some websites showing voter totals, I was seeing Bonnie Dumanis and Mcallister as showing up with 100% of the vote. I asked, how could that be, since I voted a write-in against both of them. I sent an email back to San Diego County Registrar of voters (who ran this site) and got the following response back (below).
I wonder if given her response of needing to "register" write-in candidates, if we should try to register pseudo "write-in" candidates in the fall for "paper ballots only". Hopefully the process of "registering" a write-in doesn't require them to be a real person. Kinda takes away our ability to do protest votes doesn't it. Even if we have to have a person that we put on the ballot. If there's some way we can trigger a hand recount of the overall ballots by doing this in one of the races, that might serve as insurance against finaggling these optically scanned ballots in the future. Not sure what the thresshold is for write-ins. Obviously that had to have been crossed when Donna Frye "won" with her write-in count earlier in the mayoral race back in 2004. Those circumstances might be hard to recreate, but if the thresshold was some smaller attainable percentage of the vote in some race, perhaps we could force the issue that way.
From Barbara.Walther@sdcounty.ca.gov Wed Jun 07 22:22:57 2006
Subject: RE: How come write-in vote totals aren't shown in the vote totals here.
Were they counted?
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:22:53 -0700
From: "CSG, ROVMAIL"
To: (me)
Hi Mr. (me),
To be a qualified write-in candidate a person had to file papers with our office between April 10 and May 23. In San Diego County there were only 3 qualified write-in candidates, Paul Martens, an Independent in
the Special Run-off election for the 50th Congressional District, Barbara H. Mead, a Democrat for the 38th Sate Senate and Judith E. Jones, a Democrat for the 73rd Assembly District. If you wrote in any other names they were not counted. The write-in vote counts will be part of the official certified results. By law we have until July 4 to certify the election, but we hope to be done by June 30. Let me know if I can help you with anything else.
Sincerely,
Barbara Walther
Registrar of Voters
858-694-3405
-----Original Message-----
From: (me)
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 11:48 AM
To: CSG, ROVMAIL
Subject: How come write-in vote totals aren't shown in the vote totals
here. Were they counted?
I see many unopposed candidates with "100% of the vote" and raw vote totals for them. But where do those who put write-in votes in those races fall in those totals. Are they counted in that 100%
incorrectly or are they just "left off"? I think the public is owed a line that says something like
"Write-ins "
as a line in each of the races. Not doing so makes many like myself who voted write-in votes wonder if all of our votes were thrown out because we had write-ins on our ballot.
Please explain the policy if you would and how they are factored in.
Thanks,
(me)
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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epppie
said on 6/7/2006 @ 6:06 pm PT...
And there's no way to check, is there, with electronic voting.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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Truth Seeker
said on 6/7/2006 @ 6:07 pm PT...
Republicans are defeating Democrats because:
1. They are waging elections as wars.
2. They are playing to the ignorance of the masses.
3. They are willing to lie.
4. They are willing to cheat.
5. They are financing campaigns by giving tax breaks to their supporters.
I am proud to be a Democrat fully supporting the efforts of Brad and others to expose the lies and crimes.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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anonymous patriot
said on 6/7/2006 @ 6:15 pm PT...
Too late to be nice, folks. The Republicans stole the last two presidential elections, and god knows how many congressional tilts in 2002 and 2004.
Time to stop paying taxes (can't arrest us all - well, maybe they can), armor up and smash a few things, like maybe voting machines or a random election commissioner.
The fascist party has already won. They own the federal government and the machines we supposedly vote on. The only way this ends is bloody. Check history.
If that's too much for you to stand, if you're non-violent and think the Republicans can be rationed with, then hunker down and wait for the gestapo. They'll be surely in your neighborhood before, during and after the '06 elections.
Yes, I'm saying that '06 is a fait accompli, a done deal already. If, after 02 and 04, you still think Democrats can win elections farily, you have a very short memory.
We're way over the edge here in America. Time to change things or, try this new phrase: Love it and Leave it.
Other countries look a lot better about now.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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Madam Moth
said on 6/7/2006 @ 7:04 pm PT...
You libbies never fail to amuse the world with your hilarious "hurdy gurdy monkey act".
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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Steve
said on 6/7/2006 @ 7:13 pm PT...
Looks like we need to hire the best hackers in the world. Play there game the same way. Alls fair in love and war.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
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Albert G
said on 6/7/2006 @ 8:11 pm PT...
Why can't you write as clearly as you spoke on Randy Rhodes?!!
Just say it up front. Poll workers took the machines home the night before and could have tampered with them with no way for anyone to know about it. Then give us the hoary details. Honestly, this is so important.
You're work is so important. Spell it out. Clearly. Succinctly.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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Data Pimp
said on 6/7/2006 @ 9:57 pm PT...
I posted something similar in a thread on DailyKOS right after the election, and was lambasted because I was "whining" when we should be "winning." The idea was, apparently, that all Dems need to do is stay positive, not give up, and all will be OK in Novemeber.
That's bullshit, of course, because a rigged game is a rigged game. You can't win a rigged game. You can smile all you want, put your nose to the grindstone, stay positive, get a huge margin with the voters... but if the results come back against you, and there isn't a reliable paper trail, any victory becomes a defeat.
I just can't understand why the Democratic party has allowed this b.s. to go on for 2000, 2002, 2004, and now this year. Wake up you sheep.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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emlev
said on 6/7/2006 @ 10:05 pm PT...
Brad,
Am I reading this right? The announced margin of victory is 4,732 votes, but 68,500 absentee and provisional ballots have not yet been counted?
How could Busby's campaign not see that this one fact alone is enough to indicate that any reports of her losing the election are--at the very least--premature?
Provisional ballots are *much* more often given to voters of color, Democrats, voters in cities. As I understand the info, these uncounted votes are very likely to be heavily weighted for Busby.
What can you tell us about who's doing what about this so far, so that we can join or support these efforts and figure out where the else it makes sense to take action?
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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SeattleDem
said on 6/7/2006 @ 10:41 pm PT...
BVAC,
It was Jeff Greenfield on CNN, he was talking about how odd it is that in all the recent close elections the victory has always gone to the Repub. I was waiting and praying for him to say the words ELECTION FRAUD (please Jeff just say it for Crist sake SAY IT). Of course he finishes the rant with "It must mean god is on their side" or some bullshit like that. Unbelievable man...
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
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Jody Holder
said on 6/7/2006 @ 11:05 pm PT...
San Joaquin County sent their Diebold TSx units home with poll workers on Saturday, June 2, three days prior to the election.
Worse, while there was security tape over the door holding the memory card with the election and ballot definitions on it, there was no security tape over the other PCMCIA slot that can have a wireless card, modem card, or another PCMCIA card inserted into its empty slot. In fact, that slot is designed for a wireless or modem card to be inserted into it. Behind that same door is the power switch. McPherson's own Certification, as one of its conditions, required security tape to be over the door covering the power switch. That means the the system as used was not approved for use in California.
Additionally, the 8 standard phillips head screws holding the case on the back were not sealed or covered in any way. From the research that BlackBoxVoting.org did, we know the entire case can be removed completely bypassing all the security tape and seals. Whether overnight or three days, anyone with motivation and knowledge could have uploaded anything into these machines, including into the removable memory card holding the election and the votes.
That card is then removed and then uploaded into the main vote tabulation server. At that point anything malicious could then infect the main server and alter this election or even future elections. And from the Hursti II Report, we know it could be done in a way to be undetectable.
But of course this is all theory, unproven, because the election officials will never voluntarily let computer scientists do an independent forensic examination on an actual election. To get them to admit that there were any problems is like pulling teeth, let alone admit that an election might be compromised.
If the vendors and election officials have so much faith in their electronic voting systems they should welcome the opportunity to PROVE the systems are worthy of our trust.
It was not by accident that California's Secretary of State McPherson failed to make a "finding" in his Certification, as required by law, that these systems are "safe from fraud or manipulation". He knows they are not. Instead he shoulders the taxpayers with the need for more expensive, ineffectual "security procedures" to be implemented at the local level to compensate for the defective and high risk voting systems.
He has abdicated his duties as the chief election official of the State of California.
If anyone has any reports or knows of any failures of security procedures or voting units, please let me know. You can contact me through Brad.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
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Ari
said on 6/8/2006 @ 2:47 am PT...
Hi, first of all I should say that I lived in CA-50 for 4 months, not very far from the home that "Duke" sold for a ridiculous profit to a political supporter ... the event that I believe kicked off the whole investigation into his other dealings. I tutored for some very wealthy families out there. I chatted it up with the striking grocery workers (late 2003) while we got passing comments from strike-breaking shoppers.
In short, I can say it's a very conservative area. To elect someone like Cunningham in the first place, it has to be pretty conservative. San Diego talk radio is awash with conservative blowhards. The local papers are, at best, mediocre and play into the local storyline. A candidate like Busby had a real uphill climb in any case. It was a neck-and-neck race all the way, and in the last week of the campaign Busby was slimed by claims that she was soliciting illegal immigrants to assist in her campaign ... a charge that hits home down there with a lot of people. A 49-45% loss is really not an unexpected outcome.
As far as whether each and every vote needs to be counted by hand to ensure that the election is valid, I'll say that I'm with you on the sentiment, and I believe it might be helpful to put this race to bed, but that a proper 10% recount, for example, would produce a statistical error of about +/-1% ... enough to have high confidence in the validity of the machines and the declared results.
Furthermore, if there are 68,500 uncounted absentee and provisional ballots in San Diego County, only a fraction of them would apply to the CA-50 race, given that CA-50 is one of 5 congressional districts represented in the county. It appears that CA-50 accounted for about 1/3 of the total votes cast (120,000/330,000) (note further that far more than 355,000 voters were registered in SD county ... that number probably only applies to CA-50 registrations), implying that roughly 25,000 uncounted votes were cast in the district, maybe up to 35,000 if you believe the wealthy CA-50 residents were significantly more likely to vote absentee. Running with the higher number, for those votes to make up the difference between Busby and Bilbray, they would have to come out at least 57-43% in favor of Busby ... a stretch by most measures.
I'm as disappointed by the election results as anyone, and I equally firmly believe we need more trustworthy voting systems. Probably, some noise should have been made about the Diebold machines weeks ago, when it was apparent they'd be used. However, to turn around after the fact and claim the election is invalid, wage legal battles, and scream bloody murder (as some here would do) would destroy the credibility of those who seek to make the system better. If people start to think you only make noise when the results don't turn out your way, they'll lose faith in your intentions and we'll all have to fight that much harder to bring these issues to the light.
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 6/8/2006 @ 5:12 am PT...
Ari #35
Thanks for some info on the characteristics of Cal 50 and the very close election there. The GOP spent twice as much as the dems in that race, and still in a GOP fortress, and where the challenger put foot in mouth, still it was squeaky close.
The election, assuming for the moment as you do that it was valid, indicates other interesting characteristics of that district:
1) corruption is not a major issue
2) accountability is not a major issue
3) the voters are confused
4) the GOP was scared spitless
The GOP is saying their candidate won because immigration is such a big issue, as evidenced by the furor over the Dubai port scandal.
But what about the president selling military hardware factories to Dubai after finding out Americans do not like the idea?
That is back door immigration isn't it?
I mean, foreign governments running military plants that make critical military hardware parts (link here) is "letting them into our country" big time isn't it?
One time supporters of the Taliban working in sensitive weapons factories? Remember the movie Schindler's list where munitions were sabotaged? How hard would it be for terrorists to influence some of what goes on there?
The furor over virtual slave labor crossing the border to earn less than minimum wage and send some home is no more a story than a president putting unstable mid-east countries that supported the Taliban in ownership position of national security relevant munitions factories in the US.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
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gtash
said on 6/8/2006 @ 5:16 am PT...
You know--demanding a recount should just be an automatic requirement of anybody running anywhere. When asked to show cause, show the evidence (now copious) that the machines used were unreliable. Then, as a matter of course, you will be denied. And then, as a matter of course, you sue as a plaintiff-with-standing. And then let the activist judges decided. It all seems so NORMAL now---I am surprised it isn't part of the Diebold sales pitch. "We sell machines that gurantee due process in courts!!! We even have Technical Support for Litigation!!!!" And think of the effect on fund-raising---not only do you raise money to put up election posters and have opinion-polls taken, you raise money for the inevitable post-election litigation. Is this a great country or what?
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 6/8/2006 @ 6:00 am PT...
51%-49%
We need a chart on how many 51%-49% GOP victories there have been, since e-vote machines.
This one, Bush-Kerry, Schmidt-Hackett.............
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 6/8/2006 @ 6:01 am PT...
Just give the GOP a 51%-49% victory, then work backwards, filling in the vote totals.
Casey is leading Santorum by as much as 20%, in the pre-election polls.
My prediction: Santorum 51%-Casey 49%.
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
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Brad Reader
said on 6/8/2006 @ 6:44 am PT...
if there was ever the perfect opportunity to turn this corrupt voting fraud mess around it is with Busby's race. It is a small enough sample to actually get the evidence and make the case and do everyting morally, ethically, legally possible to stand up and challenge election theft. Everything possible must be done here and now about the Busby race .... no better time to make a case for election protection than NOW with this case.
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Ronald Wieck
said on 6/8/2006 @ 6:58 am PT...
A Republican actually won in a Republican district?!?! Shocking--absolutely shocking!
Now, if the Democrat had won, that would have proved the voting was on the up-and-up.
Doesn't anyone on the left realize that whoever dreamed up this insane "strategy" of screeching about vote fraud in EVERY race the Dems lose is making your side look ridiculous?
There isn't a shred of credible evidence for Republican vote fraud in ANY of the races the left blogosphere has whined about. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
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NeilDeal
said on 6/8/2006 @ 7:01 am PT...
Was EXIT POLLING done??
You'd think that it would be obvious that it needs to be done.
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 6/8/2006 @ 7:09 am PT...
NeilDeal #42
The polling indicated an even race up to the last day.
This would be a good case for a hand count. Whether or not there are any complaints.
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
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MT
said on 6/8/2006 @ 7:12 am PT...
They appear to be trying to discourage us from voting.
Why do the dems in these contests concede so quickly?
Sit down, shut up, you ain't got no rights. I would really like to beat one of those Diebolds with a sledge hammer - hey, fund raising/prmo idea to raise money to get these machines outa here.
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
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NeilDeal
said on 6/8/2006 @ 7:24 am PT...
Ronald
Maybe since their have been case after case of Republican coruption like say, DUKE CUNNINGHAM,
and Bush's approval numbers are in the crapper,
and the UNDISPUTED FACT that these e-voting machines are easily riggable,
maybe, just maybe us on the less corrupt left that has every right to speak the fuck up, are a tad skeptical.
And we don't have a shred of evedence that vote fraud has ever happened??
Try looking up info on Katherine Harris. Seriously, really try to read the literature. Don't just assume anything. READ!
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
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Tom
said on 6/8/2006 @ 8:00 am PT...
Maybe none of these politicians like Kerry or Busby ever challenge this because its all one big game. They know that while today it APPEARS to some that things are rigged for the Republicans, tomorrow it will be their turn. It's an insider's game in my opinion and it all comes around. Think JFK and Chicago.
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
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Ricky
said on 6/8/2006 @ 8:09 am PT...
Gee election fraud in an election you lost. IM SHOCKED!!!
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
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molly
said on 6/8/2006 @ 8:13 am PT...
#31 Kos took Diebold money. They will ban you in a nanno second if you don't support dems. But yesterday Jerome wrote on Huffpost that if Dean called him, he would not answer the phone. Remember, Dean is the people's choice. It's getting more and more important to know. Progressives have to beat repubs. and DLC. The '04 dem. primary debates went on too long ...but one fact emerged. If you aren't a card carrying DLC, you will be hit hard by your own party.
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big dan
said on 6/8/2006 @ 8:18 am PT...
Ricky: Do YOU even find it fishy? ANOTHER 51%-49% GOP victory???
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big dan
said on 6/8/2006 @ 8:24 am PT...
Ronald Wieck: The point is, that there is a trend of GOP 51%-49% victories, in Republican precincts. What I'm thinking, is that the Dem upset the Republican in a Republican district. So, if they flipped the votes, it would be 51%-49%. They wouldn't flip it to be 80%-20%, or something ridiculous.
Schmidt/Hackett. Heavy Republican district.
Schmidt 51%-Hackett 49%.
We are NOT screaming about every Republican "supposed" victory. Don't put words in our mouths!!!
The Sununu victory in New England was very close, helped along by phone jamming. Ronald: Did we IMAGINE GOP phone jamming and disenfranchising voters??? Yeah, we're looney's...except there's a guy in jail for GOP phone jamming.
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big dan
said on 6/8/2006 @ 8:25 am PT...
If a Republican wins by a landslide in a Republican disctrict, we DO NOT scream about it.
If the trend of Republicans winning 51%-49% in Republican districts continues, WE WILL SCREAM ABOUT IT!!!!!
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big dan
said on 6/8/2006 @ 8:45 am PT...
This is from an article a few years ago:
Republican Controlled Voting Machines Hand Suprise Victories to...
Guess which party?
by voxfux
Diebold voting machines are implicated in widescale vote fraud. The last step in their conquest is complete. It will now be impossible to EVER have a fair vote again. And do you know why? Imagine if you will, trying to take a vote on a national referendum to make electronic voting machines open to public scrutiny? Just exactly what the fuck machine are you going to use to place your protest vote against - that's right - an electronic voting machine. And what do you think the outcome will be of that vote? You guessed it. The result be a resounding. "Nothing to see here, move along, EVERYONE unanimously voted that all this concern about electronic voting machines was just another "CONSPIRACY THEORY", move along.
Compare the projected results with the results as reported by the new Republican controlled machines. See for yourself the profound nature of the problem we all face.
Read what the Diebold machines have done to democracy in America.
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Poll by Atlanta Journal Constitution/WSB-TV of 800 likely voters
on Nov. 1 For Georgia Governor
Roy Barnes (D) 51% up 11
Sonny Perdue (R) 40%
"Official Results" from the 'Diebold Electronic Voting Machines'
on Nov. 5
Roy Barnes (D) 46%
Sonny Perdue (R) 51% up 5 - that's a 16-point pro-Bush
swing - was it magic?
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Poll by Atlanta Journal Constitution Nov. 1 for Georgia Senate
Max Cleland (D) 49%
up 5
Saxby Chambliss (R) 44%
"Official Results" from the 'Diebold Electronic Voting Machines'
Max Cleland (D) 46%
Saxby Chambliss 53%
up
7 - that's a 13-point pro-Bush swing - was it
magic?
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Poll by MSNBC/Zogby on Nov. 3 for Colorado Senate
Tom Strickland (D) 53% up 9
Wayne Allard (R) 44%
"Official Results"
Tom Strickland (D) 46%
Wayne Allard (R) 51% up 5
- that's a 14-point pro-Bush swing - was it magic?
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Minneapolis Star-Tribune Poll on Nov. 3 for Minnesota Senate
Walter Mondale (D) 46% up 5
Norm Coleman (R) 41%
"Official Results"
Norm Coleman (R) 50%
Walter Mondale (D) 47% up 3 that's an 8-point
pro-Bush swing - was it magic?
Did they let this one stay close because they knew MN loved Mondale?
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Poll by St. Louis Dispatch/Zogby on Nov. 3 for Illinois Governor
Rod Blagojevich (D) 52% up 7
Jim Ryan (R)
45%
"Official Results"
Rod Blagojevich (D) 43%
Jim Ryan (R)
44% up 1 that's an 8-point pro-Bush swing - was
it magic?
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Poll by Concord, NH Monitor on Nov. 3 for New Hampshire Senate
Jeanne Shaheen (D) 47% up 1
John E. Sununu (R) 46%
"Official Results"
Jeanne Shaheen (D) 47%
John E. Sununu (R) 51% up 4 that's a
5-point pro-Bush swing - was it magic?
Isn't it amazing that all six surprises went to the Republicans?
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Station Agent
said on 6/8/2006 @ 8:57 am PT...
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Ricky
said on 6/8/2006 @ 8:57 am PT...
No, its not amazing.
Its only a surprise to you people. Reps are the MAJORITY of the country. When you rely on faulty polling as an accurate sample of what the election will look like, this is what you get.
You libs like to protest everyday. Reps protest only a few days a year. Election days.
Having fun yet? I am.
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Station Agent
said on 6/8/2006 @ 9:00 am PT...
That's you rproblem Rickey. You're blind. Just follow the team. You'll convert when your leader is in a burned out bunker covered in petrol.