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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
... Rick said on 2/19/2005 @ 8:12 pm PT...
wow...that was fast. Thanks Brad.
Check out The Nashua Advocate too. Really great stuff there.
LOTS more in the morning, for sure, everywhere!
Yay, Brad! Thanks for the wide open spaces...
Thanks for the plug, just happened to catch it as I was surfing. Here's our link, for those who are interested (we've been covering this story about as hard as any news outlet in America, I'd wager--perhaps twelve stories in the last three days):
The News Editor
The Nashua Advocate
Just heard on a videoclip I found online:
"There's something about the story that hasn't come out." --- Leslie Stahl
"Isn't it sort of obvious that [Gannon] had a boyfriend in the White House?" --- Bill Maher
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
... supersoling said on 2/19/2005 @ 8:19 pm PT...
Kestrelbrighteyes #180 on Peg C open thread,
I'm going to repost your link to the Online Journal article about Gannon/Guckert because it ties in with the link I posted in my #148 post on the same thread. I was going to repost that link too, but now it times out when I try to open it. Coincidence? Hmmm.
Thanks for posting it. This could be nasty big.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
... supersoling said on 2/19/2005 @ 8:23 pm PT...
Ok try this, it's the first article.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
... supersoling said on 2/19/2005 @ 8:34 pm PT...
I found another sight for the Franklin Coverup that I mentioned above.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
... horkus said on 2/19/2005 @ 8:35 pm PT...
Whitehouse reporters/pundits. Two positions available. No experience necessary. Preferably gay. Being closeted preferred, but not necessary. Ask softball questions or endorse crappy education program in exchange for good *$alary*. Lack of true conservatism and compassion a must.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
... Rick said on 2/19/2005 @ 8:54 pm PT...
Just a suggestion when reading some of this stuff--beware of disinformation.
Quoting from AmericaBlog's current front page...
'Folks, just a word of caution to everyone on visiting our site, but also to the good folks working like dogs at DailyKos, World o Crap, and everyone else on this story. I'm starting to sense some disinformation coming our way, especially in the comments section of the blog. We've all finally captured the attention of the mainstream media and made this story a story. We've also captured the attention of the Bush administration and other GOP bad guys, and I suspect they're trying to feed us bad info so we jump on it, print it and thus they can try to debunk all of our good work.
All I'm saying is that I recommend everyone be doubly careful about sussing out any information you find, see printed, or receive before running it on your blog, emailing it around as truth, etc.
Everyone has done such great work to date, let's make sure we don't let these guys win at their dirty tricks.
Darn, Rick. You beat me to it. I was going to link that, just came from there. We must have been in the room together and didn't even notice.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
... supersoling said on 2/19/2005 @ 9:23 pm PT...
Rick #8, Peg C #9
I'm just reposting links from the open thread below.
You read, you decide.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
... KestrelBrighteyes said on 2/19/2005 @ 9:44 pm PT...
Supersoling #4 - Cool
Rick #8 - I said that very same thing to someone with whom I was discussing this earlier today - start looking for well-hidden Rove tracks and turd droppings.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
... KestrelBrighteyes said on 2/19/2005 @ 9:48 pm PT...
Surfing around I stumbled upon this statement - thought it was kinda creepy is all:
"Paul Farhi of The Washington Post discovered that even at an inaugural ball he was assigned "minders" - attractive women who wouldn't give him their full names - to let the revelers know that Big Brother was watching should they be tempted to say anything remotely off message."
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
... KestrelBrighteyes said on 2/19/2005 @ 10:18 pm PT...
Raw Story has new stuff on how Gannon/Guckert may have gotten into the White House in the first place, via Bruce Eberle.
This stuff is popping up faster than I can read it now.
I think I'm taking a mental health day "disconnect" tomorrow, I need to do a core dump or somethin.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
... horkus said on 2/19/2005 @ 10:47 pm PT...
I couldn't agree with you more. It only takes one false lead to discredit an entire blog, but I'm sure Brad and other host bloggers are responsible enough not to follow that trap.
To be honest, some of those hard left blogs are down right right scary. It's about as hate filled as the right wing blogs. Sometimes I can't even tell the difference if it's right or left. It's just all hate.
Hey, Supersoling #10 -
Rick and I weren't cautioning YOU. We were just linking to a cautionary message on AmericaBlog because we thought it was valuable, so that people would be vigilant to "plants." Keep those links coming!
Horkus #14 -
Mindless hate is mindless. But hatred of evil has its place. Please don't discount all far-left sites because they "hate" the B-word and all it stands for. So do I. There is a difference between opposition for its own sake and discriminating protest. It takes a discriminating peruser to differentiate between the two.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
... horkus said on 2/19/2005 @ 11:20 pm PT...
Peg C #16
We are in agreeance with disliking Gdub, but a lot of hard left blogs throw in a lot other stuff that is more opinion than fact. Let's say you hate a guy because he's a thief, a liar, and a bully. Hate him for those reasons. Don't lump him in with murderers and rapists. I hope you see where I'm getting at. (The analogy has nothing to do with B***. It's just an analogy for discussion sake.)
Didn't mean to discredit the hard left, but they do a lot of things I disagree with. That's why I like Brad's sight. It's truly fair and balanced, and full of intelligent patriots, like yourself . I'm sure you could appreciate that.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
... Rick said on 2/19/2005 @ 11:43 pm PT...
I get it. Some actions of the two extremes certainly repel me too. Explains why I feel comfortable here.
Peg, were you born in Maine? Just curious. I was.
Rick - No, I was born of a Maine mother in Northampton, Massachusetts, where she was a graduate student and a war bride. Mum's family is Bangor, her father a professor of Greek at the Seminary.
On another note: please, everyone. harken to Jazzolog's post at VR (or mine above it). Censorship of higher education? They are daring this this soon and this blatantly and this effectually? Please comment at jazzlog's or my post. This is democarcy's last straw.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
... Torqued said on 2/20/2005 @ 4:08 am PT...
John Conyers Jr. covers guckie n' turd blossom on his new Blog. Bookmark my home state hero if ya haven't.
Thanks Brad for the thread. Great stuff bloggers.
Today and tomorrow should show the way the story is headed in the MSM.
Raw Story has a link to a british story. This link has an overall story approach that sums up a lot of what is going on.
For those who have not followed it, there are two full threads on this blog (Brad Blog) ...
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
... supersoling said on 2/20/2005 @ 7:39 am PT...
Hopefully the next few days will tell whether or not the MSM will do it's job and blow this whole deal wide open. There are some encouraging signs, but I'm not getting my hopes up yet because the depth of the right wings control of information/disinformation is near total.
We need somehow to get the first domino to fall, then maybe this will grow by it's own momentum (fingers crossed) I saw some video last night that alternately gave me hope and at the same time left me shaking my head at the total ignorance of events that inhabits the minds of so many Americans. With apologies to Peg C :>), here is the link to truthouts cool Red State Roadtrip series that you can view in small installments.
I found this article laying out just how long and how complete the right wings media control, of which Gannon/Guckert is a tiny part, really is.
"one might say that conservatives view the war of ideas as an extension of violent conflict by other means, including the use of propaganda and disinformation"
Thanks again for Brad's fervent struggle to keep us informed. We really need you.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 2/20/2005 @ 7:46 am PT...
This link was sent to me earlier today by our friend jpentz:
(Bill Mahr on Gannongate)
OMG it's about time!!! :hehe:
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
... supersoling said on 2/20/2005 @ 7:55 am PT...
Re my own #23,
If you do check out Truthout's Red state series, pay attention to the old guy in coveralls in installment #8. He "gets it".
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 2/20/2005 @ 8:09 am PT...
Let me say we should absolutely not let go of this Gannongate ankle.
The Repubs. made the rules back when they were lynching Clinton. His private sex life and the issue of lying were all so important then.
They made the rules and now should have to live by the same rules. They drew the line in the sand, make them toe that line.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the Left's views or beliefs regarding sexual orientation. This has everything to do with making the Repubs. responsible for their own platform. Don't let them get away with it!!!
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
... KestrelBrighteyes said on 2/20/2005 @ 8:33 am PT...
Jeff Gannon is considering suing liberal interest groups, bloggers and others for a "political assassination" that drove him from his job as a reporter for a conservative news outfit called Talon News, he told NEWSWEEK. Gannon, whose real name is James Guckert, singled out Media Matters --- a "well-funded" liberal group headed by longtime "attack dog" David Brock. ("Everything we wrote about him came from the public record," Brock replied.)
This guy's a bigger idiot than I thought.
But it points out another reason why everything posted needs to be accurate.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
... cheryl said on 2/20/2005 @ 8:34 am PT...
I just want to second (third? fourth?) the warning to be careful about passing along info. Some guy called *Thom* at Americablog is saying he had sex with Rove in the 70's.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
... Paula said on 2/20/2005 @ 9:09 am PT...
We thought the advances the gay movement made would contribute to making gays un-blackmailable. Meanwhile the Rovites were making sure the christian conservatives remained rabid about homosexuality being sinful. Therefore, regardless of public sentiment coming around to acceptance, the power brokers created a situation where, if you wanted to be in with the party in power - you were back in blackmail land. This guy truly is an evil genius.
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
... Paula said on 2/20/2005 @ 9:10 am PT...
We thought the advances the gay movement made would contribute to making gays un-blackmailable. Meanwhile the Rovites were making sure the christian conservatives remained rabid about homosexuality being sinful. Therefore, regardless of public sentiment coming around to acceptance, the power brokers created a situation where, if you wanted to be in with the party in power - you were back in blackmail land. This guy truly is an evil genius.
(I wanted to post this at Cannonfire but seem unable to post there.)
Here's a take from The Toronto Star's Tim Harper (Washington Reporter):
"Often witty, sometimes racy, certainly irreverent, frequently sanctimonious, the blogosphere has been bulking up for years.
But the mainstream media have long taken a largely dismissive approach to this world of online political journals: Open. Peek. Chuckle. Close.
The growing army of American cyber-pundits hunched over their search engines has begun to wield strength that no one predicted.
A promising truthful reflection from a mainstream reporter (albeit a Canadian mainstream reporter).
However, his remarks below these comments focus more on the right-wing blogs. Never does he mention "votergate" or the left-wing blogger achievement of getting a Senator to delay certification of the Prez the first time in over 100 years. Never does he mention the Prez's rectangular back bulge which was brought to the mainstream thanks to left-leaning blogs (and later killed by the so-called "liberal" media).
(sigh) The article, in the end, turns into another preach-piece on how blogs should be "handled-with-care".
Tim Harper leaves us with a warning (from columnist Kathleen Parker - a self-proclaimed "fan" of the blogosphere):
"For all their attractive swashbuckling and bravura, bloggers also can become a cyber-mob that acts, as mobs do, without conscience or restraint."
But wait, there's more...
"Parker worries that ó if bloggers continue to believe everything is fair game ó "off the record" will no longer apply and the ability to speak freely will become a thing of the past."
Now there's a new one I haven't heard before!! LMFAO!!! By accurately reporting what was actually said, bloggers are now going to indirectly cause people not to speak freely. Bloggers are now going to "obstruct" the progress of the mainstream media from doing responsible work. You have to ask yourself, why can't the MSM put some of that creativity into their actual work, instead of using it to come up with ridiculous excuses for why they aren't going to continue doing their jobs.
The fact is, bloggers are becoming notorious because THEY are the ones doing the journalism that the MSM refuses to do. THEY are the ones connecting the dots that the MSM refuses to connect and/or see. And the majority of these dots so happen to be ON THE RECORD --- lies and all.
A journalism professor in this article says,
"We [bloggers] see 'red meat' and we swarm."
When these bloggers refuse to eat the same sanitized corporate-approved pablum every day, you're damn right these hungry wolves are going to swarm when we see prime-rib continue to be thrown into a mile-high pile of manure. We, after all, are not afraid to get a little dirty.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
... cheryl said on 2/20/2005 @ 10:19 am PT...
And we want to know the *real* news! Not what someone else has decided that we should know.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
... cheryl said on 2/20/2005 @ 10:25 am PT...
Off topic but see Bush bully my wimpy leaders! Sheesh!
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
... HEN said on 2/20/2005 @ 11:13 am PT...
go to animalpeoplenews.org and check out the "eberle mess" link
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
... Freebird said on 2/20/2005 @ 11:40 am PT...
I find it curious, if not timely, that as reported at aol News a former advisor to Bush 1 came out with so-called secret tapes of the younger Bush in 1998 that supposedly reveal George Bush refused to "gay" bash to win votes from the christian right? Hmmm? George W. Bush, that sensitive caring man of conviction standing up for gays?
Well, all I can say, is that it sure helped when Bush and Rove decided gay bashing was good to win the governorship in 1994 and the presidency in 2004. Goerge W. Bush and Karl Rove are men without conscience and I have absolutely no problem lumping them in with murderers since killing over 100,000 human beings is exactly that. An unjustifiable homicide is an unjustifiable homicide (murder) anywhere in the world.
These men must be arrested and prosecuted and should not be permitted to be wined and dined in Europe and let by gones be by gones in the mass graves of Iraq! WAR FRAUD! ENERGY FRAUD! ELECTION FRAUD! RELIGIOUS FRAUD! MEDIA FRAUD! and now GAY FRAUD!
Viva la Revolucion!
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 2/20/2005 @ 11:41 am PT...
Another good blog to follow:
by Bob Fertik on 02/15/2005 10:10am. - revised 02/19/2005 11:26am
Beginning in the late 1970's, Republicans seized control of every branch of the U.S. government in part through vicious gay-baiting.
After Bill Clinton won his first victory in 1992, Republicans immediately and relentlessly attacked him for tolerating gays in the military.
In 2004, Bush and the Republican Party made their opposition to gay marriage the centerpiece of their campaign. They put anti-gay marriage amendments on state ballots to turn out homophobic voters. They furiously attacked John Kerry for pointing out (in a supportive way) that Dick Cheney's own daughter is openly gay.
Now we know Bush's White House waved a gay male prostitute - Jim Guckert - into White House press conferences nearly every day for two years. Guckert, like many closeted gay Republicans, engaged in vicious gay-bashing himself: during the 2004 campaign, he wrote articles accusing John Kerry of running to be the "first gay president."
Jesus said, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."
It's time to expose every Republican gay-basher who is gay.
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
... Freebird said on 2/20/2005 @ 12:32 pm PT...
Maybe Georgie boy has his own Lewinsky scandal brewing? Maybe there is something more to those overtly friendly comments and gestures he made to the Canadian Prime Minister's aid while at the Mexico Summit last year? Just maybe there is something more to those stories about what George was doing while undressing for his Skull and Bones buddies?
Quite frankly, nothing will surprise me anymore when you combine such hypocritical power hungry characters and the deceptions of feigned legitimacy used to protect the interests of powers far greater than themselves. The exploitations of fear and emotion associated with homosexuality and any other sexual freedom, reproductive or otherwise, are part of the ongoing charade to mask their own personal and political failings in order to maintain their own personal wealth and power, and in doing so, protect the wealth and power of those who pull their strings.
As I have said and will always say, these are men without conscience, which is why tens of thousands of dead men, women, and children are simply not on their mental or emotional radar. They were collateral damage in the battle for economic and energy dominance. Gays are equally the collateral damage for social and political dominance, even if the ones exploiting the fears of homosexuality are in fact homosexual or bisexual themselves.
Domestic and foreign hypocrisy is The State of Our Union, yet somehow George W. Bush forgot to tell us all that in January. Gay deceptions, war crimes, and all the other games played by this White House only further justifies the need to fully investigate what computer fraud and manipulation took place during the election to insure their continued stay in power. Afterall, if one can murder and deceive without conscience, a computer crime is hardly an afterthought!
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
... marski said on 2/20/2005 @ 12:42 pm PT...
#1) Nashua Advocate was an enlightening read. Thanks Rick.
In ref. to Gannon obtaining Secrect Serv. clearance to the WH press room, if you or anyone is so inclined, read George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography By: Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin, which can be read in it's entirety @ http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm.
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
... cheryl said on 2/20/2005 @ 12:45 pm PT...
This is hilarious!
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 2/20/2005 @ 2:05 pm PT...
Here's something we can do re: gannongate ala The Rude Pundit:
Fanning the Flames of Gannon/Guckert:
The weekend is approaching, and, with it, the potential end of the news life of the Gannon/Guckert debacle. Yes, Left Blogsylvania is trying to keep it alive and demanding answers, but if the story stays confined to LB (with some dribblings to the rest of the media and DC), it's lost. Yesterday, the Rude Pundit proposed a strategy to get the story hotter: co-opt the moralists of the right, primarily the Christian fundamentalist community, through their blogs and websites. Write letters and comments where we disguise ourselves as goodly, godly Republicans who are just oh-so-disgusted to bursting.
Today, the Rude Pundit gives a list of potential recipients of your "moral outrage" over the noted top-for-hire with the cut penis, James Guckert, finding his way into the White House. By the way, if you're uncomfortable pretending over the gay angle, why, then use the prostitute angle for your anger - it's twice the sin for half the price. Rather than just target Fox "News," send e-mails and/or post comments to some of these sites and blogs, where the rumbles of the rabble can reach a maximum density quickly. The idea here is that you, as a mole, a fly in the ointment, a ghost in the machine, will infiltrate and cause others, the real fundies and wingnuts, to respond in kind. These are not links - you'll have to copy-and-paste the addresses so it's not traceable back to, like, this post telling you where to go. And, you know, this is just a starting point:
http://www.hughhewitt.com (requires a strong stomach)
http://www.crosswalk.com/news/weblogs/kmc/ (Kevin McCullough's blog)
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/ (Captain's Quarters)
http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/ (Evangelical Outpost)
http://www.beliefnet.com...y/145/story_14545_1.html (Loose Cannon at Beliefnet - requires free registration, but lots of comments here)
http://christdot.org/ (Really kind of self-explanatory)
http://www.blogs4god.com/linker/index.php (a listing of lots of other Christian blogs)
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 2/20/2005 @ 3:00 pm PT...
COMMENT #35 [link]
...Freebird said on 2/20/2005 @ 11:40am PT...
"I find it curious, if not timely, that as reported at aol News a former advisor to Bush 1 came out with so-called secret tapes of the younger Bush in 1998 that supposedly reveal George Bush refused to "gay" bash to win votes from the christian right? Hmmm? George W. Bush, that sensitive caring man of conviction standing up for gays?"
Don't believe you will find anything very controversial about the pRes in those "secret" tapes made by Doug Wead. The timing has stinkin' Rove tracks all over it.
Check out this article:
...The Bush Family & Religious Heathens
Several members of the media have looked into the relationship between the two Bush Presidencies and members of the extreme Religious Right Wing. After reading up on that gang, the only thing I know for sure, is that there is not a single honest person in the whole bunch.
First off, lets take a look at evangelist Doug Wead, a divorced Baptist Minister, and former Diamond distributer, who is still a regular speaker at Amway conventions.
Wead was the first President Bush's liaison to the Christian Right and he later served as Special Assistant to the President in the first Bush White House. Time magazine referred to him as "the man who coined the phrase the compassionate conservative."
He was linked to the second President Bush early on as well. US News and World Report described Wead as an "old friend and advisor" to George W Bush. In the book, First Son, Author and Dallas Morning News Reporter, Bill Mintuglio, said that Wead was a man who had spent years "preparing strategy reports" for both President Bush and GW.
The book claims W was the family liaison to hard-edged conservatives and to Christian evangelical leaders, developing close ties to (among others) defeated ... congressional candidate Doug Wead, with his Amway and Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker connections.
In 1998, W decided it was his turn. Within days of his reelection as governor, W was secretly planning to run for President, because, as he said, he felt certain he had been called. He was encouraged in this belief by evangelical friends like Doug Wead and by his mother, who called him the Chosen One," according to Kitty Kelly's book, the Family.
Anticipating W's reelection, Wead had already written a memo encouraging him to run, You have been given a great opportunity, an opportunity that has been denied to many who have sought it. It is a gift that has rarely been extended. It might not ever be extended again, Wead wrote.
Years earlier, Wead had lost his own Congressional bid after Republican Senator Barry Goldwater, threw his support behind Wead's Democratic opponent, and stunned the Christian community with the remark, "I don't think God should be sold for money."
Goldwater was obviously a good judge of character and realized that it would be better to have a Democrat in office than a charlatan like Wead. And he was absolutely right, because as it turns out, Wead's past with Amway is even shadier than most people know.
I found a link to a judgment entered against James D. Guckert for avoiding taxes.
US Politics Today covers the Jeff/Jim Gannon/Guckert story. link here.
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
... cheryl said on 2/20/2005 @ 3:10 pm PT...
She's a Democrat? Note the last sentence.
A gay website has an article about Gannon. link here.
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 2/20/2005 @ 3:39 pm PT...
I would like to know how to hide a link under a name as so many of you do. Could one of you help me with the html code please?
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
... cheryl said on 2/20/2005 @ 4:24 pm PT...
The incredible Dredd taught us that. You copy the link. Go to where you want to comment, type in [a href=whatever the link is copied here]whatever you want to say here[/a]. Change the square brackets to and Voila! Bob's your uncle! Is that clear as mud or what??
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 2/20/2005 @ 4:52 pm PT...
Thank you Cheryl and our incredible Dredd...Let me give it a try and we'll see:
It looks like Eberle had direct contact with Rove, Norquist and G. Gordon Liddy according to AmericaBlog.
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 2/20/2005 @ 4:54 pm PT...
Works like a dream, although I'm curious why I start with square brackets when it's the characters I really want. ??
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
... Peggy said on 2/20/2005 @ 5:00 pm PT...
Hi, Cheryl #33 - I don't believe this for one minute -one reason Harper didn't come close to being made prime minister of Canada was his membership in the BUSH fanclub. The only way BUSH can control Canada is thru Harper and the Conservative party. BUSH and his gang are working on it...guaranteed...all that black gold sitting north of the border...Star Wars...missile defense!?! BUSH may appear to be yelling at Harper now, for the sake of the public, but they'll be all kissy kissy behind closed doors while BUSH advises Harper on how to become Prime Minister of Canada ASAP! That'll be a sad day for Canada!
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
... Peggy said on 2/20/2005 @ 5:04 pm PT...
Hi, again Cheryl #38 - Oh, that's funny...thanks for posting!
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
... Peggy said on 2/20/2005 @ 5:23 pm PT...
As someone has mentioned before on BradBlog, and I agree, those who protest the loudest against the "gay crowd" are those who are most attracted to it, and don't want anyone to know it. So they get together with the Gannon Guckie's at the W.H. and...Oh, whoops, strike this last sentence - no evidence.
All you researchers: WHO ARE GANNON'S BOYFRIENDS AT THE WHITE HOUSE??? I CAN HARDLY WAIT TO HEAR!!!! I can't believe he went there nearly every day for two years and no one knows anything! I guess everyone in Washington can be had for a price - souls for sale - integrity for sale - lies for sale - anything you want FOR SALE in Washington.
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
... supersoling said on 2/20/2005 @ 5:30 pm PT...
Perfect timing eh? So while they try to paint the left as gay bashing Gannon (flip flop), along comes this stuff implying **sh's tolerance for gays. Yeah ;>)
This is the disinformation that eveyone was warning against upthread.
I believe it was Winter Patriot who first stepped forward to help us all with the proper linking procedure. Not that it matters much, it's a small thing, and as you've probably noticed, everyone here is incredible.
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 2/20/2005 @ 5:38 pm PT...
Well, let me include Winter Patriot in my heartfelt thanks! (BTW, I have truly enjoyed reading Winter Patriot's blog & posts since finding them through BradBlog.) And thanks Supersoling for remembering.
Lots of good folk here.
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
... newsom101 said on 2/20/2005 @ 5:41 pm PT...
Three more questions for Gannon:
1) Since it was simply a matter of a few mouse clicks to access the pornographic pictures on your websites, did you ever take any precautions to make sure that innocent children (minors) did not have access as well?
2) In your 'sex for hire' occupation, were you ever approached by minors for sex, and if you were, would you take them up on it?
3) As an adult, did you ever have sex with a minor?
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
... cheryl said on 2/20/2005 @ 6:21 pm PT...
Oh sorry. Maybe it was WP that taught us. I can't remember. There's way too much going on here. Anyway, the only reason I told you to use the  brackets was as an example, because as soon as you use the proper ones it starts to try to understand what you are saying. Am I being really inarticulate? I think so.....
Freebird #37 - You might be interested in some connections and speculation Joseph Cannon has indulged in today.
Note that he begins with a disclaimer because he cannot certify one or two of the source/s. But a lot of the tale rings true.
Hey, THAT'S better! Kira, try this, which Torqued supplied for our edification and greater html knowledge.
[a href="http://whatever"target="_blank"]your words[/a]
You now link to a separate screen, so you don't lose Brad's thread and have to go back to it, which wastes a lot of time.
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
... KestrelBrighteyes said on 2/20/2005 @ 6:33 pm PT...
OT, COMPLETELY - From the "just thought it was weird is all" file:
Check out the photo on the CNN site here
and tell me - does that look like it's been photoshopped? And why would they do that?
P.S. to the above: I wish Raw Story would learn that trick!
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]
... Cole... said on 2/20/2005 @ 7:33 pm PT...
Well its time to move Gan/Guk off the front and away from view---we now have a real explosive item. The 'Secret Taping' of the pres by Doug Wead. In unguarded, unknown full view there is george talking and revealing. Revealing what? The secret and thoughtful bush and 'unknown' running plans.
By Wead--the Bush sr. pal etc.-revealing a secret tapping , ho ho ho.
A bush jr. comment about marijuana use is 'Special', he slamms Gore and then shows his Compassion--he will not comment on marijuana use as he 'does not want kids to follow his lead and try it'. Notice how similar that is to the DUI (2000 election) stuff--george did not tell the nation or the 'twins' about his alcoholism because he did not want to influence them to follow his example of over-drinking. And drugging.
What works for Rove always comes back for a repeat performance, no one will notice.
COMMENT #60 [Permalink]
... Rick said on 2/20/2005 @ 7:39 pm PT...
Peg C. #55 That was a good read. Thanks.
Cannon's disclaimer: "Why, then, would publish such a thing? Because a blog is not the New York Times; on the internet, we may discuss areas that cry out for further research, as opposed to recording research already completed. Speculation can prove useful, as long as it comes clearly labeled as such --- and as long as the user does not overdose."
Very wise words...
American Media in Boca Raton, Florida is said to have photos of the pres in a homo act in a coffin
Third anthrax case confirmed
COMMENT #62 [Permalink]
... supersoling said on 2/20/2005 @ 8:46 pm PT...
Your Guardian link is from 2001. Whats up?
COMMENT #63 [Permalink]
... Rick said on 2/20/2005 @ 9:38 pm PT...
Freepers everywhere? Yup, everywhere.
Things are going to get a lot stranger before they get any better, I feel.
Secret tapes, threats to bloggers, crazy links (just to see who clicks them...I clicked too, Sup) ina single day. Rovian terrorists sure know their stuff, not that I'm paranoid or anything...
Keep up the skepticism. The mirrors and false trails are multiplying. DAMN the damned tricksters who are playing with our nation, our world and our lives!!!!
COMMENT #65 [Permalink]
... Brad said on 2/20/2005 @ 9:59 pm PT...
Rick's right. Nope is nothing. Disinfo/distraction from the panicked set it would appear.
Love it ... it shows that W and the MSM are of the same mindset
Dan Wasserman draws it like it is.
PS: As to HTML shenanigans, WP and I, and the rest of us, are here to help.
It takes a blog community to raise consciousness.
COMMENT #67 [Permalink]
... Da Wookie said on 2/21/2005 @ 2:19 am PT...
I still think that this whole event has been produced on cue, deliberately. Yes, it has important elements but ultimately has all the smoke 'n' mirrors components required to draw attention away from something else.
The bloggers are getting too close to hard eveidence regarding the Florida and Ohio votes? Throw 'em a homo.
Give the American public a gay sex scandal and any thoughts they may have had about election results will quickly fade until they are nothing but a vague memory. When a story involving GAY SEX competes with a STOLEN ELECTION, the barely repressed desire to pry into the bedroom antics of others becomes overpowering.
It appears to be working too.
Or am I being harsh and cynical again?
Keep the faith (and the focus) brothers and sisters.
COMMENT #68 [Permalink]
... Robert Lockwood Mills said on 2/21/2005 @ 3:38 am PT...
Karl Rove is capable of diverting attention from a stolen election by fabricating another scandal.
But I respectfully suggest we shouldn't concern ourselves with Republican strategy. Take facts and go with them. Not speculation, facts only.
Fact: An unqualifed reporter, using an alias, gained regular access to the president.
Fact: He received daily passes to press briefings using that alias, yet his original F.B.I./Secret Service clearance could not have found any evidence he ever existed under the name Gannon.
Fact: Reporters who cover the White House on a regular basis always request a permanent pass, but Guckert/Gannon never did, presumably because it would involve further investigation into his background, yet nobody at the White House did anything about it.
Fact: Guckert/Gannon had classified information about a C.I.A. operative, Valerie Plame.
The homo-stud stuff is juicy, and it does reveal G.O.P. hypocrisy. But to focus on that simply plays Karl Rove's game of political one-upsmanship. He's good at that game, and he has the resources of the presidency that we don't have. The more we talk about Gannon's lifestyle, the less we talk about abuse of power at the federal level.
So, please...let's stick to facts and make sure our elected officials hammer away. The mainstream media ignore bloggers, but not Congressional committees and inquiries from U.S. Senators.
COMMENT #69 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 2/21/2005 @ 6:48 am PT...
I agree with #69 by Robert Lockwood Mills. I certainly can't figure out the mentality of dirty tricksters or their next moves.
The real point is to hammer on the FACTS and keep hammering at the sloppy, lazy, pork-fed & complicit mainstream media to either do their job or get run out of town in shameful disgrace.
Remember Nashua Advocate blog of Feb. 16, 2005:
"But everyone's looking into it, or should be --- not because gay sex is anything to be ashamed of, but because blackmailing your way to within ten feet of the President of the United States, when you're a $200-an-hour whore, is a scandal this Administration would (and rightly so) be extremely ashamed of.
Did White House officials cover up a sex scandal with political favors?
And while we continue our investigation, and others continue their investigations, consider this: prostitution, and solicitation thereof, is a crime. So if you hear a conservative news source, like, say, Accuracy in Media, allege that the aforementioned prostitute/journalist's only crime (if indeed he is either of these two things) is being a right-winger ("His crimes were that he was too pro-Republican, attended White House briefings, and asked questions unfair to Democrats"), think again.
Prostitution is illegal.
Solicitation is illegal.
Extortion is illegal.
Bribe-taking, or bribe-giving, by public officials is illegal.
Leaking confidential government documents is illegal.
And covering up criminal behavior is likewise illegal.
As for deciding, when you're the President of the United States, to call on a prostitute during one of your rare press conferences, when you were re-elected based on (supposedly) your position on the gay marriage issue, and your general support for "moral values"?"
Nashua Advocate on February 20, 2005 wrote something very interesting regarding the msm partially waking up (below) and while you're there PLEASE read where their current investigation of gannongate has led!!!
Memo To the Mainstream Media, From the Mainstream Media: The Time for Us to Stand Up and Fight Is Now
By ADVOCATE STAFF
The mainstream media is beginning to rise up in self-defense.
Or half of it, at least.
That half which is sick and tired of being sick and tired, which sees sailing by an America in which the Fourth Estate was one of the nation's most valuable institutions.
That half which knows it has lost the respect and admiration of the public not because of what it says in print, but because of what it refuses to say in print, for reasons having nothing to do with patriotism or journalism and everything to do with fear and convenience, day after day after day.
COMMENT #70 [Permalink]
... cheryl said on 2/21/2005 @ 7:21 am PT...
Hey Nope #61 hang around for a while and learn some real news about your precious Leader and his gang of thugs.
Torqued - you trying to take away my smilie title? Dangerous waters, man.
Dredd, this is the best blog community. We keep each other energized and hopeful for the future. You all are so generous in sharing your knowledge and thoughts (and HTML tricks). I'm so glad I found Bradblog!
Da Wookie #68,
The thing is that we're NOT the MSM. We can focus on more than one story at a time. We can deal with more than one story at a time. We can *out* more than one story at a time. WE ARE INVINCIBLE!! (God, I feel like Helen Reddy)
And so help me God Kira, if I hear Gannon Guckie whine one more time about his *personal* life I'm gonna scream!!!
COMMENT #71 [Permalink]
... cheryl said on 2/21/2005 @ 7:34 am PT...
Way to go Simpsons!
COMMENT #72 [Permalink]
... cheryl said on 2/21/2005 @ 7:40 am PT...
COMMENT #73 [Permalink]
... cheryl said on 2/21/2005 @ 8:00 am PT...
Maybe there's hope yet. The *new* Democrats
COMMENT #74 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 2/21/2005 @ 8:55 am PT...
Cheryl said in #71
"And so help me God Kira, if I hear Gannon Guckie whine one more time about his *personal* life I'm gonna scream!!!"
Kira says: Me Too!!
*Ahem* when one displays their *private* parts on the worldwide web the advertisement reads "open season." Any journalist who buys into Guckie's "somebody done me wrong" song looks like a damn fool.
COMMENT #75 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 2/21/2005 @ 9:05 am PT...
Here's another great article about the F*****Up WH-Controlled MSMedia. When are they going to wake up and realize half the country wants THEIR resignations?
By Dave Lindorff, ILCA Associate Member
When CBS goofed up, people were fired and quit in disgrace. But when dozens, maybe hundreds of news outfits run Bush administration-made propaganda posing as legitimate news reports, nobody has to resign. What gives here?
Okay, so we know now that the Bush administration has been using all kinds of devious means to push propaganda on the American public--fake news generated by the Pentagon for overseas, and ultimately, courtesy of blowback, U.S. consumption, fake news reports by fake reporters peddled to local TV stations, bought reporters and syndicated columnists paid to shill for the administration's policies, and even fake reporters salted into the White House press corps to ask puffball questions if the president or press secretary start getting too much heat.
But why is this all happening? Surely the Bush administration isn't the first to push its story out there. And sure, the administration should take some of the blame for this Soviet-style manipulation of public opinion.
But what about the media?
This column already made the point that if the White House press corps were doing its job and asking tough, probing questions, James Guckert, aka Jeff Gannon, would have stood out like a stallion with a hard-on--er, excuse me, a sore thumb.
But what about the "Karen and Mike Show," those fake "news reports" by fake reporters which were sent directly to local TV stations across the country by the DEA and the Department of Health and Human Services, where they were often aired without question as local reports on administration activities. Do local news shows have so little concern about the content and veracity of their programs that they would just run a report by a reporter they donít even know without fact-checking it and checking on the credentials of the reporter? Of course not! They had to know that the reports they were broadcasting were from government agencies and were nothing but blatant propaganda. This is the video equivalent of publishing press releases verbatim.
And what self-respecting newspaper would do that?
COMMENT #76 [Permalink]
... czaragorn said on 2/21/2005 @ 9:29 am PT...
Call me old fashioned, if you must, blame it on my family values - no, I'm not running for anything, just running (I'm no toilet, but you can jiggle my handle if you think that would help), but oh how I long for the good old days of Elizabeth Raye and Fannie Fox. Heterosexuality wasn't stigmatized back then, of course, and homosexuality wasn't mentioned, so the picayune escapades of the masters were merely amusing, could happen to anyone, gotta watch out about the way power corrupts, all that, wink wink. But now bullsh and the tits-fearing ashhole and their cronies have whipped up the masses to the point a goodly number of them actually think that allowing homosexual unions will somehow threaten their revered "institution of marriage." OK - they've made their point. Now let's see just how cynical and wrong they are. But really, folks, it's about time human sexuality ceased being a subject of malicious ridicule, etc., let's all just cut each other a little slack.
That said, let's go get 'em. Last I heard, being a gay prostitute of any sex qualified you as a major security risk.
COMMENT #77 [Permalink]
... KestrelBrighteyes said on 2/21/2005 @ 9:33 am PT...
I'm goin to hell for posting this:
COMMENT #78 [Permalink]
... KestrelBrighteyes said on 2/21/2005 @ 10:36 am PT...
Now I'm in a handbasket on the EXPRESS lane for hell:
COMMENT #79 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 2/21/2005 @ 10:56 am PT...
Heehee!! Is there room for 1 more in that handbasket?
Cheryl #73 ... Keith makes good sense in that article.
It validates my "I invite Jeff to sue me" post. It would really empower the situation against his handler's wishes and would be utterly counterproductive for him to sue any blogger.
KestrelBrighteyes #78-#79 ... too Funny!!!
COMMENT #81 [Permalink]
... KestrelBrighteyes said on 2/21/2005 @ 11:10 am PT...
Ya know, I'm not sure how this will be received, but I have to be honest here - I almost feel sorry for Guckert - ALMOST.
I mean, imagine how much self-loathing it must take for him to pander to the very political party icons that openly court rabid homophobes to secure power. Yes, he is/was a gay prostitute - but he prostituted himself in a much worse way than sharing some higher-up's pillow. Not to say he wasn't a willing participant in all of this, because I believe he was and is in some weird way enjoying all of the attention he's receiving, however much he protests to the contrary. In fact, I'm betting he's already begun collecting notes and articles for a book he'll write. However, if you look at someone closely enough, you can see who they were before became who they are as an adult, and it is that person that makes me curious...
What happened to turn him to this kind of lifestyle? Was it his fear of being known as a homosexual? Was he one of the many children who were taught to deny their feelings growing up, because it was a mortal sin to feel the way he did for other males? Did he hate his identity so much that he created another one, a polar opposite of who he is, to cope with it? Did he get too confident by putting himself "out there" in the public eye, or was there some secret subconcious desire to be "outted" so he didn't have to pretend anymore?
I know there is a certain level of denial needed just to survive the sex trade kinda life anyway, but does he really have a clue how expendable he is? Is he afraid? He should be.
Just random thoughts tossed out there, for what it's worth.
This is OT, completely, but over at VR, Kira posted a link to an article reporting Scott Ritter's comments that W has already signed off on a June invasion of Iran and that the Iraq election was "cooked." I tried to access the linked site, only to discover that the article was no londer there, just the motto of the organization, a peace group in Washington state.
Yes, that poor schlub is in danger. And so, I believe, is Scott Ritter. So, in different ways, are we all.
COMMENT #84 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 2/21/2005 @ 11:38 am PT...
KestrelBrighteyes #82 - please save all sympathy for Guckie/Gannon's Zippergate until AFTER this is resolved! He committed some crimes that he must face.
Re: Peg C #83 - possibly technical difficulties? I found the link on BuzzFlash - maybe a lot of traffic? Lawdy...I hope that's it and nothing more sinister.
By the way, I had posted my link in #80 before scrolling all the way down to the application form (which is a bit raunchy... :blush: ...) and was in the process of posting a warning to any who might be surprised --- ??? hehe --- but what would we expect from the topic of this Zippergate thread --- when my internet*s went down. Sorry about the delay.
COMMENT #85 [Permalink]
... Freebird said on 2/21/2005 @ 11:38 am PT...
Peg C...#55...very interesting!
The whole concept of using underground gay networks for political and economic blackmail is very intriguing. Bashing gays on one hand and exploiting gay prostitution services on the other sure sounds like Rove/Bush Inc. footprints, if not fingerprints?
Just the whole disgusting mess of gay prostitution rings, christian right pandering, and neo-nazi promotion can make your head spin. You have to wonder if New Jersey's Democratic ex-Governor was set up in this system of gay sex blackmail?
This really may have some legs...no pun intended! It would probably be poetic justice that a gay bashing White House is brought down by their own hypocrisy, along with whatever other judges and politicians are part of the right-wing phony fascist corporate monarchy.
I believe in sexual freedom. Unfortunately, the right is exploiting that freedom to stay in power by corrupting the emotions of GOD only knows who? As I have written previously from Texas, we know what Karl Rove and George Bush did in 1994 to make the future fuherer become Governor on his way to become President. Gay sex may very well be their hidden trade mark agenda that goes back years as both a method of political blackmail and political strategy. With the Reagan era gay sex ring may be a very long history of corruption and exploitation involving "ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN"!
Like I said...there's some legs here and that has the White House booty shakin'. LOL
COMMENT #86 [Permalink]
... cheryl said on 2/21/2005 @ 12:03 pm PT...
Leonard Pitts gets it.
COMMENT #87 [Permalink]
... cheryl said on 2/21/2005 @ 12:06 pm PT...
Peg C #83,
Look in our cartoon thread. It's posted there as well and the link is still working.
COMMENT #88 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 2/21/2005 @ 12:23 pm PT...
Thanks for the excellent Leonard Pitts article, Cheryl. Well - it seems quite a few journalists are coming around. We gotta help them make NOISE!
Here's a great article - a little off the Guckie topic - but very relevant to our problem with the Media:
Five weeks after CBS blamed them for botching an expose into President Bush's questionable service in the Texas Air National Guard, three staffers who were asked to resign are refusing to quit. [includes rush transcript]
They are: Josh Howard, executive producer of "60 Minutes Wednesday"; senior broadcast producer Mary Murphy, and senior vice president Betsy West. The New York Observer is reporting that Howard has hired a lawyer and wants CBS executive Leslie Moonves to retract comments he made following the release of an exhaustive investigation into how the report got on the air. All three staffers remain on the CBS payroll. CBS refused to comment after the Observer broke the story. Along with CBS producer Mary Mapes, the three were blamed for what an independent panel convened by the network called their "myopic zeal" to nail Bush. We're joined now by Joe Hagan, the reporter who broke this story in The New York Observer. The piece is called "The CBS Three Won't Slink Off; Hiring Lawyers."
COMMENT #89 [Permalink]
... KestrelBrighteyes said on 2/21/2005 @ 12:35 pm PT...
Kira #85 - I know, I know. I wasn't making excuses for his behavior, just pondering reasons for it. I realize he is not a victim, he is in the situation of his own volition.
But, it's really empathy more than sympathy - I just can't begin to imagine what it would be like to hate who you are so much that you'd go that far into pretending to be someone else.
Okay, had a moment of weakness there, it happens. I'll try to do better
COMMENT #90 [Permalink]
... Torqued said on 2/21/2005 @ 12:55 pm PT...
Remember, no one in their right mind would go to bat for a closet queen. Their type among the gay community is wholly despised. Indeed, a closet gay lives in such sordid secrecy that he dare not reveal the forbidden fact to anyone... lest the wife and family... the career... the shame...
@61 NOPE posting above, is paying personal visit to save his own ass from the closet gay wringer. In this rare exception to the norm, all the guckie trolls are directly involved in the scandal.
Did NOPE leave his IP address in the log? I'd be willing to out him for the truth community.
COMMENT #91 [Permalink]
... cheryl said on 2/21/2005 @ 1:06 pm PT...
Hey Kes #82,
I don't feel sorry for him. He sold his soul to the devil.
COMMENT #92 [Permalink]
... Rick said on 2/21/2005 @ 2:33 pm PT...
I understand you're wondering out loud. I wonder also and always arrive at the same place...the cabin where Uncle Tom lives.
COMMENT #93 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 2/22/2005 @ 8:09 am PT...
Kes - I understand exactly where you're coming from - I do the same thing. I'm just furious that our media is gone. This zippergate is one of the only hammers we have to pound at the gates of the monkey palace. Kes - you are a good spirit.
Where are our editors?
Democracy becomes a government of bullies tempered by editors.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
US essayist & poet (1803 - 1882)
Kira #80, #85.
The post with the form is a reasonable reality of what is going on.
Humor is one of the best medicines.
Keep us laughing.
COMMENT #95 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 2/22/2005 @ 9:03 am PT...
Dredd! Thank you for your (as usual) clear headed comments!
Today - I am in a very reflective and spiritual mindset. Here's what I'm reading:
THE STILL VOICE
A White Eagle Book of Meditation
You Are Immortal Spirit
Rise in imagination above the limitation and darkness of the earth, into the light of the Sun. Imagine the glorious Sun in the heavens above. Breathe deeply, absorbing the golden light and warmth into your being. It is power, it is life, it can recreate you on every plane of your being. The creative power, this mighty Presence, can and will banish and consume all inharmony.
Say to yourself, "God is in me --- divine light floods and fills every atom of my being".
Kira says: If the word "God" bothers anyone, please feel free to substitute any word you prefer! :hehe:
We must remember to love each other while we try to unhinge this damn regime.
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