How many took the poll and answered "unsure" because they want Rove to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law not let off by a wimpy resignation?

These polls are often times worded in such a way that some of us don't get an option.

Gall? Balls? Its kind of like being caught with your hand in the cookie jar, then claiming "no I didn't", while your hand is still there!

I hate to be rude, but Im going to be anyway.

The American public has been sooo painfully tuned-out to politics for years. Of the hundred-plus million people eligible to vote, many do just because they think its their civic duty. Probably 10% of those are actually 'thinkers', who are aware of what is happening and what it all means. Most will go with the flow of the media. When the media says the politician is an ass, so goes the population. When the media says the politician is gold, so goes the poopulation. Most people don't have the common sense they were born with, and therefore remain uninformed because of their inertia.

I guess if the democrats want to win the next election, they will need to buy up every newspaper in the country and manipulate the media. But when imbeciles like "BAY" grab the headlines, and anyone gives credence to this line of bullsh-t, then I just have to scratch my head and wonder when I'll awaken from this nightmare!!

Alan

This just seems so appropriate for any thread regarding kkkarl rrrove and the war in Iraq ----

In the Name of God
(bobby brooks / simon stockhausen)
02-01-2002
In the Name of God

MP3 download whole song, hi-fi ***at the site***

I wrote the lyrics to, "In the Name of God" shortly after the 2000 US elections. I did not vote in those elections and sat back and watched in abject horror at the results. But hey, if you don't vote, then you have no voice! Or if you live in the state of Florida, you have no voice. Or... A lot of people don't have a voice... use yours. Although the song is directed at my homeland, the disease that I wrote about and so very much loathe is not solely endemic to the US. And in all sincerity, I feel we are all guilty of it from time to time. I believe recognition is the first step.

"?Hello, my name is Bob..." At any rate, now that I have submitted my absentee ballot for the 2004 US Elections, I have earned the right to be heard. So... This song was originally written as part of a trilogy (musical magic by Simon Stockhausen who listened to my lyrics and melody and captured everything I imagined and more). I hope you enjoy it, and I really look forward to all of your feedback! That which I have already received thus far has been incredible!!! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! You've no idea what you have done for a weary soul! If you wish to be in the loop for part two or any of my upcoming projects, then drop me an email or just sign my Guest book.

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world" -Ghandi

Build another bomb. Drop it on someone
Do it in the name of God
Kill your unknown brother. For sister and your mother
Do it in the name of God
Say that they are all wrong. If it makes you feel strong
Do it in the name of God
Destroy the world around you. As if it were found by you
Do it in the name of God
Excuse the cries that you've heard. Pretend it is for the word
Do it the name of God
On the streets they're starvin?. But our turkey we're carvin?
Do it in the name of God
Drink another cocktail. If it makes you feel real
Do it in the name of God
No your gun it can't kill. But your ignorance it will
Do it in the name of God
Your oil land is stripped bare. Take it from over there
Do it in the name of God
Place weapons in the sky. Your enemy learns to fly
Do it in the name of God
All praise the stars'n'stripes. While disregarding our lives
Do it in the name of your God
Build another bomb. Drop it on someone
Do it in the name of God

The Liberator
William Lloyd Garrison 1805 - 1879

My country is the world, my countrymen are mankind! I am in earnest. I will not equivocate; and I will not excuse! I will not retreat a single inch; and I will be heard!

With reasonable men I will reason; with humane men I will plead, but with tyrants I will give no quarter, nor waste arguments where they will certainly be lost.

Wherever there is a human Being, I see God given rights inherent in that Being, whatever may be the sex or complexion!

You cannot possibly have a broader basis for any government than that which includes all of the people, with all their rights in their hands, and with an equal power to maintain their rights.

© 2005 bobby brooks

Whenever I am unfortunate enough to hear "Bay" before tuning out, I hear the quacking of a malevolent, empty-headed duck. Truly.

Thanks, Kira, for the Bobby Brooks page.

And another thing: what in __ was this doing on "Inside Politics?" What has politics to do with the issue? Truth is apolitical, amoral, and the truth is that a serious transgression has been committed by some (more likely all) the big players in our White House. Let Bay quack. I won't be listening.

if they are smart they will throw that tubby turd into the fire before the flames start flicking at bush.

but seriously, it is now open and obvious that bush lied to start this war. can we please impeach him before the snow comes?

*quietly morns the death of democracy in USofA*

The longer Bush clings to Rove, the more coverage this thing will get. Let's hope they cling to each other and go down together.

That's a great idea about some rich progressives or Dems buying up the media... Huffington Post and Air America are two great examples of this working out. Now how about a major newspaper or network? Gore says his new channel will be nonpartisan. I love Gore, but the man seriously has to get his anger on. If I was Gore, I'd be meeting with Kerry right now to discuss going public on the two stolen elections in a BIG way. Together they have the power to stop the Bushies in their tracks and end the neocon reign.

But this is off-topic I guess. As much as we are pleased the media has been rising to the occasion on Rove, the neocons are firing back with more lies and obfuscations and will follow up personal attacks and then death threats. People like Bay Buchanan are cruel, sick maniacs, and they're going to do their best to make sure that this scandal is branded another conspiracy theory just like they did the '04 elector challenge. Watch for the Rove prosecutor to suddenly quit abuptly after his family is threatened, which is what I've convinced they've done to ever major media figure who would have challenged the '04 results (Michael Moore, anyone?)

In short, the maniacs can't fool the majority any longer, but they don't need to--they control the voting machines and the media. God, this sucks.

Shades of "Camp Ground Racetrack" the Bay is running again! Mostly at the mouth--and the Bay dares to give bush advice---just keep doing what he has done his whole life--"Say nothing". Coke?AWOL?--admit nothing, deny nothing, say nothing.

Somebody, put some money on the Bay and then put her out to pasture.

Sojo and Bob (#6&7) are right. We really don't want Rove to resign or be fired. The longer he hangs around Bush's neck like a dead reeking albatross, the better.

#8
I agree, Jim, Gore needs to show the kind of righteous outrage he did in the speech he gave (was it at NYU?) right around the election. I think it was just before. He was angry & BRILLIANT. Of course he was vilified for it but that's to be expected from this crowd.
If he starts spewing the same tired "We need to get over it, bush won fair & square" nonsense we heard from Clinton, he will need to be whacked smartly in the head with a two-by-four (metaphorically speaking)!

Man, we're on the other side of the looking glass, folks:

Pat is no longer the scuzziest Buchanan anymore.

That is actually true, Bartkid. Isn't that amazing? I actually have respect for Pat Buchanan. He's a REAL conservative, not a fake one like the neocons. Pat Buchanan's book is a fascinating read. But it just further emphasizes how the neocon cabal has alienated both the left and the right and really only controls by deception and intimidation. Those are their only tools, because they have no facts or logic.

FYI........the link provided for the video does not take you to the correct page, it takes you to the same page as the second link... I'm sure I can probably find it over at CrooksandLiars though... thx

Listen, I don't even know who the hell Bay Buchanon is. Are we all sure, it's not Pat Buchanon with a wig on, so he gets more air-time? It sure looks like it. Can someone use some kind of software, to super-impose Pat Buchanon's hair onto Bay Buchanon, to disprove this theory?

In other words...

of those that ACTUALLY HAD AN OPINION...

61.25% Rove to resign
38.75% Rove to stay

You can get widely varying results in a poll just by rephrasing the question. I suggest asking it this way...

Who is Karl Rove? Results would be -

Someone in Bush Administration 25%
I'm not sure 30%
Who? 45%

Usually the pollster is assuming too much. What difference does it make what a person thinks about Rove if he doesn't know who Rove is?

Um, Karla, are you saying that the majority of the people who were in favor of resignation were in favor of someone they had no clue about resigning?

Your low opinion of most Americans is showing.

Damn. I thought I got rid of her when I outed her as a guy.

First the argument was that there was nothing to know about Plame, now the argument is that the Russians already knew, so it didn't hurt to out her?
Do they think they don't even have to try to keep their stories straight?

Wait, what am I thinking? Since when have they kept thier stories straight?!

OT ALERT!!!!!!!!!!

Our ol' buddy Sensenbrenner is back in the news.

via Buzzflash and DailyKos:

Fallout from the Sensenbrenner judge intimidation affair

But he never did get into trouble for that little show of a**hole-ism he displayed here, did he?

SENSENBRENNER MELTDOWN! UNILATERALLY GAVELS PATRIOT ACT HEARINGS TO A CLOSE!

Oh hey, k-k-k-karla! Been missin' you! Here's a little limerick to show our appreciation for your contributions here:

Karla claims that she wants fact & reason
Don't be fooled, folks, 'cause she's only teasin'
Though her jibes may be galling
What's far more appalling
She's perfectly comfy with treason

(sorry for re-posting that AGAIN, but I really didn't want k-k-k-karla to miss it; she misses so much as it is)

The "Watergate" newspaper has an interesting update today.

Prosecutor In CIA Leak Case Casting A Wide Net
White House Effort To Discredit Critic Examined in Detail

OT ALERT!!!!!!!!!!

July 02, 2005
Jeb Bush - Shocking 'Coin Gate' Crimes and Murder.
References to Clint Curtis, lemme and FDOT money laundering - I can't vouch for the reliability of this UK website's fresh claims!

Re: tossing "Turd Blossom" fat into the fire.

If they do that there will be a lot of hissing, spitting, popping and splatter. Hopefully they'll all be splattered with guilt.

Re #25

Jesus H. Christ, please go to this link provided by Bushwacker, all.
References to Curtis/Feeney, Lemme "suicide", Coingate, money laudering & more.

EXPLOSIVE stuff (reported here by Brad for years) when lumped together like this, though of course it's a UK site that's reporting it.

Larry Flynt, where are you now that we need you? Remember that million-dollar offer to anyone who would come forward with proof of infidelity during monicagate? And they DID come forward.

How about an offer to politicians and journalists who come forward & reveal exactly how they have been bribed or threatened to keep their silence while the country is pillaged & raped?

I love what you said Jim, but I think the democrats in DC have lost their balls! I've always felt that if any one or two of them slam it out that we can make a difference despite the fact that since 1979 the 'conservatives' have been purposefully buying up the media for the obvious effect it has had. We need to pull a Nixon and investigate enough GOP reps to 'blackmail' them into voting to impeach bush, cheney, rumsfeld, rice, ashcroft, wolfy, gonzales and any other criminal I missed. (Sounds dirty, but if they are hinding something is it blackmail or outing the truth?)
Please everyone attend the Sept 24th impeachbush.org anti-war rally in DC....let's flood the streets and make the news show that 'most' the people (we're now over 51%, so isn't that a mandate by bush's standards) want them arrested and jailed, not just fired!

Bushw@cker #25 -

That's Wayne Madsen's work; I wonder why he never references Brad. Aside from that, the connections he makes look very plausible.

Where is LARRY FLYNT - REPUBLICAN MOVER & SHAKER??

CALLING LARRY FLYNT .... WE NEED YOUR VOICE.

karla #18

Wow - for a self-proclaimed "educated" person you sure don't know how to read poll figures!

#25
Great article--sure lays it out there!

I'm thrilled this is being reported in the UK, Bushw@cker #25. Do you know anything about the reputation of the publication "New Criminologist?" I mean, it it usually respected for it's news stories?

================================
Re: current US admin. .....

Who's that then?
I don't know.
Must be a king.
Why?
He hasn't got shit all over him.
================================
??Made of Teflon??

My #33

Gad. I meant "IS IT" not IT IT. duh.

OT -

Bush to London Bombers:"Bring it on"

from the onion (satire)

The article on Curtis/Lemme (#25) is just a version of the same Wayne Madsen article published previously on his own web site that I provided a link for last month, I believe. It's intriguing and certainly tolls with all those small bills would be an easy way to launder money. Brad warned at the time to be wary of the article, which suggests he may have something of a different nature he's following up on. Interestingly, Noe was recently photographed "vacationing" in South Florida recently while it was hitting the fan in Ohio.

We should all be against politicians lying, covering things up, even if they're from a party you like. The truth is the truth, and consistency is consistency. If you were against Clinton lying, you must be against Bush lying, or your opinions are to be disregarded, because you show no consistency. You are really saying, there's different rules for different parties. KARLA, don't you get that? It's not about party, it's about true and lies, and facts vs. spin. I think we all want to know the truth, be it about Clinton or Bush, or any of these politicians that have hijacked our country. I think both parties have hijacked our country. I just think the Republican's cause more deaths. 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians have died, and all Republican hacks were talking about was Terry Shiavo. And, all their "followers" did the same. These hypocrites wrote letters to their local newspapers about Terry Shiavo, but these same pro-life hypocrites write nothing to their local newspapers about the 6-figure deaths caused by a war based on lies. That shows no consistency, so their arguements are invalid. That's why it's important to, like the Daily Show does, show video of these hypocrites from the past, contradicting what they are now saying. It's important to show these people are hypocrites, to render what they are now saying, invalid.

Yay, Big Dan. My sentiments exactly.

Hold their feet to the fire .....

Well spoken, big dan.
There was a quote (somewhere) which I will paraphrase:
"A man joins a political party out of ignorance. He stays out of shame." --- Ben Franklin

Wow Bob - excellent quote that really speaks the truth - quite obvious these days.

Good luck guys. Rove is almost out. This dead story is still dead. Karla - right again!

(urgh...yet again...)

RE: The "Jeb 'Coin Gate'" article mentioned (boy, his stories have a way of getting around, repost after repost after repost).

Beware of stories long on speculation and short on actual evidence. Even if they are written to look as though they are actually news.

Flynt Publications is well aware of both that article, and my own Clint Curtis stories. Just FYI.

It's so easy to contrast what these hypocrites are saying now, with what they said during Clinton's presidency. Someone's got to pull out some old video of Bay Buchanon saying how Clinton lying about Monica Lewinsky was unethical/immoral/etc..., and then play her saying that outing a CIA agent is "no big deal". I HATE THESE F***ING PARTISAN HYPOCRITES!!! And the media who puts Bay Buchanon on TV is even more shameful than her. These nutcakes would never be heard of, if they weren't given a forum on TV to spread their spin and lies.

I have heard no reporter ask someone like Bay Buchanon, "What if this lead to the death of Valerie Plame, or someone she had contacts with, in another country?" These media hacks simply let these Republican spinsters spout out whatever un-American crap they want, and don't challenge them. They're actually WORSE than the Bay Buchanon's of the world. We'd never even hear of her, if it wasn't for CNN. Why was she on there, telling us it's no big deal, instead of CNN investigating the ramifications of outing a CIA agent??? Because there's no investigative journalism occurring by CNN, just to give some hack a forum to say whatever they want. The real culprit here is CNN, not Bay Buchanon. There's lots of nuts in this world, but you'd never hear of them, if it wasn't for CNN.

Paul & Karla, you don't have to do any work if you rely on propaganda.

How 'bout rolling up your sleeves & trying to find the truth that's been hidden from us all for many, many, many years in this country instead of relying on canned talking points!

Bob,

Franklin was not alone with his sentiment that political parties would be the ruination of our society. George Washington stated the same thing, in his own words.

Having said that, you can bet the deed to your house that over 90 percent of voters will choose the Dems or the GOP. Usually it is between 95 and 97%. Most Americans cannot name another candidate. Heck, many cannot even name the running mate of the person they vote for.

That's why I find is so comical to read the silly "poll results" posted on this blog, by these Democrats. They would have you believe that 50% of Americans want Rove to step down. Funny stuff, considering only about 15-20% of Americans even know who Rove is.

Now that's just blatant dishonesty. Ironic to hear these "progressive" kids hollering aobut how they hate dishonesty, no?

How dare you talk about dishonesty, Karl-a.

The blatant LIES told by your president (the squatter) and your chosen Party (now taken over by the PNAC neoCon/theo/fascist/corporatists) are treasonous and blatantly dishonest. You must know this, or you aren't as intelligent as you would like us to believe. Or maybe you are brainwashed.

Blah-blah. You continue to harp on your un-sourced suppositions about how many people know this or that about political parties, personalities or issues. It's all just yadayada though unless you give us sources.

Progressive kids??? Most of the folks posting comments here have grandchildren, and you would know that, except you (once again) haven't taken time to do any research.

There are lots of silly poll results. Gallup presented many skewed poll results leading up to and during the sElection 2004 and they're still at it.

Pictures are worth a thousand words:

Ummm --- gotta call you on something else:

Karla #44 said: That's why I find is so comical to read the silly "poll results" posted on this blog, by these Democrats.

You really need to make sure before you speak that you have your facts straight.

Is Brad a Democrat?

You better check that out, K.

Personally, I'm registered Independent. And I hold this distinction, which I bet none of you can match:

I have voted in every Presidential election since 1972, and never for the winning ticket.

So, don't blame me for the mess this country is in.

Why do these old has been hags like Bay Buchanan get to come on t.v. and talk. Who gives a shit about these political hacks or their one sided opinions? Not only is she hard to look at, she is hard to listen to. Who's idea was it to allow her ugliness on national t.v.?

Does anyone really think the likes of this old media whore is going to win some hearts and minds for Bush? Why don't they get Jessica Simpson or Brittany Spears, at least people would not be offended just looking at them, and they would surly give the same exact message from the repugs, and would have far more credibility than that old corpse they dug up and put on t.v. to scare us all with.

Hi there Dr. Alan, and Kira...

Kira, you are spot on about Karl-a.

You think that Paul is Karl-a's boyfriend, or just mate? Hmmm.... But if Karl-a is a guy... then... Oops! They will be run out of the GOP on a rail! (or run over by a train on the rail!) Better not let that get out boys... Shhhhhh....

And, I'm not a Dem (or a Repug either)

Bay Buchanan?? Tell me someone, please! What *IS* it with all these insane GOP women??? are they all empty headed morons, or do they just get a free prefrontal labotomy when they become GOP's? I honestly don't remember ever hearing one GOP woman tell the truth (except by accident!) or make any sense. And not to be sexist... But that goes for GOP men also! Maybe... It's simply that only an insane airhead would or could marry a GOP male? Kinda like... Natural selection?

I dunno...

#49 you asked what's wrong with GOP women...easy answer if they stick 'it' and help push the lies and fraud they get a makeover. That was the true start of reality TV, look at Paul Jones. She made up a lie and went out on the circuit to push it and wa-la, she got a new nose and more. Then we have Egor I mean Linda Tripp...Kenneth's Starr (the king of fraud and waste) favority witness and for her endevors an entire make-over; nose, fat removal, cheeks and sadly they are both still ugly. As for Ann Coulter she's just a brainless slut that thinks she's pretty but sadly she don't realize attention for a piece of a*s, means nothing, her reward is money for nothing her true God.

Hey there Kryten - it's been awhile! How've you been?

I'm not Dem or Repug (is that short for NeoCon?) either.

It's amazing how well the evil use of NLP worked to hypnotize Republican Americans. It's a powerful tool, and unfortunately fell into the wrong hands (the evil eye-of-Newt gingrich.

We almost need to set up de-programming clinics all over the country --- do a snatch-n-grab --- fix 'em right up! Ahhh --- wouldn't it be luverly?

Unirealist,

Congrats. Not since Reagan's first term have I voted for a "winner", either.

Kira,

I'm not so interested in what a person calls him/herself as I am in how they voted. For instance if 200 people on a blog all called themselves "progressives" or "Independents" but then they admit they voted for Kerry, well..you see the irony there, don't you?

Calling a frog a toad doesn't make it one.

You seem bent out of shape about my assumptions, yet you freely make false assumptions about me, without inquiring first.

Close to 95% of anti Bush bloggers will end up voting for the Dem candidate, whomever it may be. The reasoning will always be the same...a vote for ______ (insert 3rd party candidate here) is a vote for the GOP.

It is the unbridled desire to unseat the hated GOP that nearly always brings the "independent" back to the Dem fold.

As far as your poll goes, Kira, you know no one on this blog is going to respond to me. I'd be interested in your poll though, if you wanted to ask the participants how many of them voted for Kerry. I'm guessing at least 8 out of 10 did so. (including Brad)

Does he (they) call himself (themselves) a democrat? Doesn't matter.

Well, Karla --- yes indeed we voted for Kerry. Warts and all he would have been a Saint of a President compared to the sick schlump who's occupying the WH now. Thing is, Kerry won the vote. I don't suppose you believe all the evidence to support that, though.

I'm not bent out of shape about your assumptions, dear. I'm very disturbed that people like you can't see the deception all around you in your Party. There is no more GOP (Grand Old Party.) It is dead. You now belong to the Theo/fascist/corporatist/neoCon Party. This regime will go down as being worse than Hitler --- you'll see.

Add up all the deaths due to the illegal, immoral and unjust war in Iraq and then factor in the toxic Depleted Uranium (half-life of at least a billion years) that has and is poisoning the land of Iraq and our soldiers as well as wafting across the globe on the wind currents and what you have is an abomination to people worldwide. This is already worse than anything attributed to Saddam Hussein or Hitler. This is sick beyond belief --- and you are supporting the murderers.

You better believe there's an unbridled desire to unseat this hated Party and you're being shallow to worry about whether we're Democrat or Independents or whatever. We are united for 1 purpose, and that you've already stated.

The only irony I see is that you're desperately trying to make yourself look like a person of sanity. It's just not working, though.

PS Karla - take a look above your post #52 to see that several people already responded without you even having to ask! Sheesh --- you just don't think before you speak, do you? I guess research is out of the question for you as well....eh?

Adding to my #45 --- to karla --

How many Democrats post here on this blog?

You can take the poll if you like. It would be interesting for you, I'm sure.

Nothing like rolling up your sleeves and jumping in with a desire to find out the truth!!! Hey - it's a lot better than just mouthing rhetoric.

I was thinking of registering Green Party. If all the Dems were like Conyers, I'd be more excited about the Dems. The Reps are hopeless, I can't understand any working man, and especially women, voting Republican. And I can't understand anyone African-American voting Republican. But, then again, does voting even matter, with electronic voting machines made by Republican donors?

I have one last comment about Bay Buchanon:

'SHE'S A MAN, BABY!'

I voted for David Cobb in the last election. I live in a "safe state", so didn't have to make the decision to vote for Kerry and was able to vote my true beliefs.

I was (and am) incredibly disappointed with Kerry, but would have voted for him to prevent the further acute destruction of our nation and the earth by the gangsters who have slimed their way into power.

I apologize for my quick response to Karla and speaking for people when I shouldn't have.

When I said "we voted for Kerry," I knew there were many who visit Bradblog who voted for the Green Party (I think Brad did.) I also wanted to clarify that by saying that this regime is much worse than anything attributed to Hussein or Hitler, I never would mean to lessen the atrocities they committed. It's just that this regime is harming more people and ruining the ecology along with everything else they touch.

David Cobb is a fine man and I'm very impressed with his platform. I do wish we could fix our voting system --- we're in a really bad situation right now. Thank all of you who are here working for a change!

My wife and I both voted for Nader in 2004. Her letter WHY was published in Newsweek. Of course, it did make it easier that, like Arry, we were in a "safe state."

Oregon, by the way, is entirely ballot-by-mail. Which explains why Dems did much better in 2004 than in 2000. That is, the vote here in Oregon was not hacked.

When 2008 comes around, and you can't even rely on exit polls to know the true outcome, check out the voting in Oregon. Politically, it's almost evenly balanced between Dem and Rep. So, if Dems win by a significant margin here, then they won big in the whole country.

KKKarla--I'm surprised you even admit you voted for Reagan, even if only in his first term. It was that night, when he defeated Carter, that I knew American was doomed.

Hi i am voting to Some one that is very special , but due to the short itmming i can not make my mind sound ,that to whome i give a vote, can you help me in this controversy, plerase give me

Hi i am voting to Some one that is very special , but due to the short itmming i can not make my mind sound ,that to whome i give a vote, can you help me in this controversy, plerase give me