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READER COMMENTS ON
"DAILY SHOW: Jon Stewart Reports on Bush's Hurricane Response"
(41 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
... jimmo said on 9/7/2005 @ 9:30 am PT...
September 07, 2005
ABC Notices The New Orleans Emergency Plan
At least one major media outlet has finally noticed that New Orleans had an emergency response plan for hurricances and evacuations that somehow never got implemented. ABC News yesterday asked why Mayor Ray Nagin not only did not follow the plan, but actively sent non-evacuees to a site that had no preparations to handle them:
New Orleans' own comprehensive emergency plan raises the specter of "having large numbers of people Ö stranded" and promises "the city Ö will utilize all available resources to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas."
"Special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to transport themselves," the plan states.
When Hurricane Katrina hit, however, that plan was not followed completely.
Instead of sending city buses to evacuate those who could not make it out on their own, people in New Orleans were told to go to the Superdome and the Convention Center, where no one provided sufficient sustenance or security.
ABC also asked Governor Kathleen Blanco's office about their response to the evacuation. They responded that they never asked for evacuation assistance from the federal government as part of their interaction with FEMA, only for assistance with shelter and provisions. They assumed that the city of New Orleans had followed its own evacuation plan.
That assumption wound up costing lives. Did they ask Nagin if his administration had followed the plan, and if so, what kind of response did they get? If ABC's report is correct, then the feds may not have known of the evacuation breakdown until the flood on Tuesday made it a critical situation --- and then were forced to respond by getting the correct assets in place within 72 hours for evacuation while almost all the roads and bridges were unusable. By that time, FEMA had begun to use what roadways were left open to move in the supplies and temporary shelter they had prestaged in the area. The feds would have had to quickly shift to a massive evacuation effort instead, a difficult and time-consuming transformation.
Kudos to ABC for asking the right questions. The answers will prove very disturbing for those who want to cast blame at the feds for what eventually will prove to be a heroic response, under the circumstances. The answers ABC published already prove most of that conjecture wrong.
DO YOU SUPPOSE HE WILL COVER THIS LIKE ABC DID?
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
... mary said on 9/7/2005 @ 9:34 am PT...
Awesome coverage as usual,
Kudos to Jon Stewart!!!!
Lays out the facts quite simply.
And Jon is a very fair minded person!
I hope this show gets replayed a lot.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
... big dan said on 9/7/2005 @ 9:36 am PT...
Limbaugh, Hannity, & O'Reilly will take this information, and run with it ASAP...
Did anyone ever look into actually suing these guys for lying??? Can you legally just keep lying on the air, with no repurcussions??? Seriously, is that even legal?
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
... big dan said on 9/7/2005 @ 9:37 am PT...
Can O'HannityBaugh be sued for lying? Does anybody know?
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
... mary said on 9/7/2005 @ 9:37 am PT...
Thanks David, I was looking for the Jon Stewart on this.
It would be almost worth subscribing to cable again to just watch him. However, I refuse to pay Comcast a dime.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
... mary said on 9/7/2005 @ 9:41 am PT...
I couldn't give up comcast because TCM is my great escape when I need one, nothing like an old movie
Ooops I guess they forgot about this.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
... mary said on 9/7/2005 @ 9:46 am PT...
Thank you JPentz
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
... mary said on 9/7/2005 @ 9:50 am PT...
The righties who are out full force to attack the democratic mayor, etc. should ask themselves this: would they be using the same arguments if the attack had been a terrorist attack??
Speaking of which, seems 'Cheney's plans' for one got postponed.....I pray to God.....anyone hear anything new about the staged nuclear attacks on U.S. cities????
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
... Ada said on 9/7/2005 @ 9:54 am PT...
#1 Do you think the media will tell the world that FEMA didn't ask Cher-na-a-jerk-off till Aug 29th in a not so importantly phrased letter about the "near catastrophic event" for the help of up to 2000 within 48 hrs that had to go to training for 24 hrs first to assure they "convey a positive image" about government response.
That same day he (Brown) told local fire and rescue departments outside of Louisana, Alabama, and Mississippi not to send trucks or emergency workers until the states and cities asked! What a moron...knowing (or not apparently) that they had little communications....that alone make bush impeachable for hiring a political cronie for a job that an expert should have held! bush also put FEMA under the Homeland creating added BS and slower response. Don't say Brown handled FL, FL handled FL and FEMA gave big bucks because it was an election year...lucky for us!
Shame on you for blaming local officials that have had their budgets cut by bush for the past 5 years to fund his war, that also had most of their National Guard (part of their response plans) and equipment in Fk'g Iraq!
Last let's remember bush forced a main expert in the Core of Engineers because he spoke out against the budget cuts that assured the leevees would not get brought up to Cat5 standards.
So it's all bush's fault and F anyone that tries to blame others!
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
... MrBlueSky said on 9/7/2005 @ 9:58 am PT...
I'm sorry, people, I just cannot be happy with this nor can I find any mirth in such a terrible, terrible disaster. Kudos to The Daily Show for trying tho!
I look around and find everyone culpable: the Mayor and the Governor until Bush declared a federal disaster. Why couldn't they have used those buses to get the people out???
The Bush admin is culpable from the moment Georgie signed the paperworks. Why did they take a d----d WEEK to get the troops and aid in???
I am so angry and frustrated at this problem.
To the mayor, governor, FEMA, President Bush, et. al.: Let these many deaths be on your heads. May God have mercy on your souls.
Because I sure have none.
Mary: I pray to God that you are wrong. But should you be correct, that would be the last straw... if that happens, I am very likely to get my wife and kids together and move to South America.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
... mary said on 9/7/2005 @ 10:14 am PT...
Canada for me!
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
... CambridgeKnitter said on 9/7/2005 @ 10:23 am PT...
Bush declared the federal emergency on August 26 and put FEMA in charge of coordinating the whole shebang. Here's the press release from August 27:
Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana
The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing.
The President's action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures, authorized under Title V of the Stafford Act, to save lives, protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in the parishes of Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn.
Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency. Debris removal and emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance, will be provided at 75 percent Federal funding.
Representing FEMA, Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary for Emergency Preparedness and Response, Department of Homeland Security, named William Lokey as the Federal Coordinating Officer for Federal recovery operations in the affected area.
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: FEMA (202) 646-4600.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
... Nana said on 9/7/2005 @ 11:40 am PT...
It's a shame there were no Arabian Horses in NO for Brownie to judge...response time might have been better.
Oh, I forgot, he was 'let go' from that position.
What were his qualifications for this job??? He was breathing!?!?
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
... jimmo said on 9/7/2005 @ 12:13 pm PT...
Mary & Ada: Please read this article:
Blame Amid the Tragedy
Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents.
BY BOB WILLIAMS
Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT
Many in the media are turning their eyes toward the federal government, rather than considering the culpability of city and state officials. I am fully aware of the challenges of having a quick and responsive emergency response to a major disaster. And there is definitely a time for accountability; but what isn't fair is to dump on the federal officials and avoid those most responsible--local and state officials who failed to do their job as the first responders. The plain fact is, lives were needlessly lost in New Orleans due to the failure of Louisiana's governor, Kathleen Blanco, and the city's mayor, Ray Nagin.
The primary responsibility for dealing with emergencies does not belong to the federal government. It belongs to local and state officials who are charged by law with the management of the crucial first response to disasters. First response should be carried out by local and state emergency personnel under the supervision of the state governor and his emergency operations center.
The actions and inactions of Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin are a national disgrace due to their failure to implement the previously established evacuation plans of the state and city. Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin cannot claim that they were surprised by the extent of the damage and the need to evacuate so many people. Detailed written plans were already in place to evacuate more than a million people. The plans projected that 300,000 people would need transportation in the event of a hurricane like Katrina. If the plans had been implemented, thousands of lives would likely have been saved.
In addition to the plans, local, state and federal officials held a simulated hurricane drill 13 months ago, in which widespread flooding supposedly trapped 300,000 people inside New Orleans. The exercise simulated the evacuation of more than a million residents. The problems identified in the simulation apparently were not solved.
A year ago, as Hurricane Ivan approached, New Orleans ordered an evacuation but did not use city or school buses to help people evacuate. As a result many of the poorest citizens were unable to evacuate. Fortunately, the hurricane changed course and did not hit New Orleans, but both Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin acknowledged the need for a better evacuation plan. Again, they did not take corrective actions. In 1998, during a threat by Hurricane George, 14,000 people were sent to the Superdome and theft and vandalism were rampant due to inadequate security. Again, these problems were not corrected.
The New Orleans contingency plan is still, as of this writing, on the city's Web site, and states: "The safe evacuation of threatened populations is one of the principle [sic] reasons for developing a Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan." But the plan was apparently ignored.
Mayor Nagin was responsible for giving the order for mandatory evacuation and supervising the actual evacuation: His Office of Emergency Preparedness (not the federal government) must coordinate with the state on elements of evacuation and assist in directing the transportation of evacuees to staging areas. Mayor Nagin had to be encouraged by the governor to contact the National Hurricane Center before he finally, belatedly, issued the order for mandatory evacuation. And sadly, it apparently took a personal call from the president to urge the governor to order the mandatory evacuation.
The city's evacuation plan states: "The city of New Orleans will utilize all available resources to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas." But even though the city has enough school and transit buses to evacuate 12,000 citizens per fleet run, the mayor did not use them. To compound the problem, the buses were not moved to high ground and were flooded. The plan also states that "special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to transport themselves or who require specific lifesaving assistance. Additional personnel will be recruited to assist in evacuation procedures as needed." This was not done.
The evacuation plan warned that "if an evacuation order is issued without the mechanisms needed to disseminate the information to the affected persons, then we face the possibility of having large numbers of people either stranded and left to the mercy of a storm, or left in an area impacted by toxic materials." That is precisely what happened because of the mayor's failure.
Instead of evacuating the people, the mayor ordered the refugees to the Superdome and Convention Center without adequate security and no provisions for food, water and sanitary conditions. As a result people died, and there was even rape committed, in these facilities. Mayor Nagin failed in his responsibility to provide public safety and to manage the orderly evacuation of the citizens of New Orleans. Now he wants to blame Gov. Blanco and the Federal Emergency Management Agency. In an emergency the first requirement is for the city's emergency center to be linked to the state emergency operations center. This was not done.
The federal government does not have the authority to intervene in a state emergency without the request of a governor. President Bush declared an emergency prior to Katrina hitting New Orleans, so the only action needed for federal assistance was for Gov. Blanco to request the specific type of assistance she needed. She failed to send a timely request for specific aid.
In addition, unlike the governors of New York, Oklahoma and California in past disasters, Gov. Blanco failed to take charge of the situation and ensure that the state emergency operation facility was in constant contact with Mayor Nagin and FEMA. It is likely that thousands of people died because of the failure of Gov. Blanco to implement the state plan, which mentions the possible need to evacuate up to one million people. The plan clearly gives the governor the authority for declaring an emergency, sending in state resources to the disaster area and requesting necessary federal assistance.
State legislators and governors nationwide need to update their contingency plans and the operation procedures for state emergency centers. Hurricane Katrina had been forecast for days, but that will not always be the case with a disaster (think of terrorist attacks). It must be made clear that the governor and locally elected officials are in charge of the "first response."
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
... mary said on 9/7/2005 @ 12:48 pm PT...
Dear Jimmo & others who still might doubt:
The truth is coming out. The President and his crew fucked up big time. Just imagine what they're doing in Iraq!
It seems to me that Bush has had incredible opportunities in his presidency but he screws everything up so badly!?!
Ever know anyone like that in your personal life?
Like a sort of "bad luck " person who always screws up big time?
Too bad. We could have created an incredible world. Here we sit, figuratively and literally in a big pile of muck.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
... mary said on 9/7/2005 @ 12:53 pm PT...
Don't forget: another yummy contract for Halliburton. I think this time its only $500 million.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
... merifour said on 9/7/2005 @ 1:06 pm PT...
Gosh, I just don't even know where to post anymore. This puzzle is so big I think I will have to get a roll of paper and start pasting it to my walls to do a timeline on every evil thing this regime has done to this country since they took over in 2000.
I believe 911 was an inside job. I believe Bushco knew about the 'chatter' regarding a terrorist attack in the US. Was that even real or made up, I am still analyzing. I do know many in the intelligence community were concerned and passed on the information. This information played right into the hand of Bushco. They were able to stage 911, blame it on intelligence failure. Who benefited? The Neocons and the PNAC agenda. All old news I know. Interestly the PNAC group were proteges of Henry 'Scoop' Jackson, a Democrat Hawk from Wash. State. So I don't see all of this in white or black, rather, I see alot of gray areas here.
So much has happened in the last 5 years, ie: DHS, Patriot Act, etc. So many have questioned..are we safer? I have to believe if my premise is correct, Bushco, knows we need no more security. The 'security' imposed as far as I can see has more to do with a crackdown on the American people. No fly lists, free speech areas and the like. I am seriously beginning to think there never existed any serious threat to this nation.
I remember reading somewhere, I can't locate it right now, that a PNAC goal was to reduce the world's population. I have a ton of info and haven't had time in the last few days to go through it.
Now Katrina has pushed my button again. I have been online since Cindy Sheehan camped in the ditch in Crawford. (I don't know how she managed to do that, I am sure it wasn't a 'free speech zone'). I do recall the SS threatened to arrest her and had that happened she would have disappeared off the radar like so many others IMHO.
Katrina is unimaginable horror. The kind Bushco loves. I have been following my own advice and getting into some websites talking about Scalar Wars. I am not the only one that believes weather control technology played a part in this disaster. My line of thinking was that this technology 'helped' a hurricane that was already in process, but further reading has almost convinced me that the whole thing was created.
Reading these sites and following the evidence just feels right to me. Weather control has been around for a long time, the Soviets were the first to use it. I can't link any information here as I don't know how, but would if I could.
One of the Dead Sea Scrolls has a document called "The War between the Children of Light and the Children of Darkness". Metaphysically speaking I believe we are participating in a war that is esoteric as well. "As above, so below".
I believe we are undergoing a planetary initiation I believe on a soul level everyone is on their own timetable which I believe excuses those that do not have eyes to see or ears to hear.
I will end now and get back to some mundane tasks....like cleaning my house...yuk.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
... Ada said on 9/7/2005 @ 2:01 pm PT...
Jimmo....facts are facts and your long winded articles are BS like your thoughts on protecting the great destroyer from hell.
And the Gov of Lousiana declared the emergency Bush repeated the next day, which just proves more that he lied his ass off on his first visit with the New Orleans Mayer where he told him she didn't even ask for help....Bush is a liar and dangerous fool just like those that believe in him!
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
... Ada said on 9/7/2005 @ 2:06 pm PT...
PS Jimmo stop repeating the crap that it's the states responsibity...small government is accomplished by raping states that even have to pay for his protection when he visits. (Like using fireman that should be saving lives for photo ops, but don't take pictures of the dead, we don't want the world to know what a F**k up bush is! What part of bush raping the state budgets do you have a problem understanding? For 5 years he has robbed states, pushed federal cost on them, robbed their National Guard, reduced the Army Engineers budgets over 44%, so they can't even fix our infrastructure and you still say it's the poor people fault. I bet your ass if your family was in the middle of that mess you'd be crying loudest!
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
... mary said on 9/7/2005 @ 3:12 pm PT...
Foreign countries' aid for Katrina being delayed!
Supplies such as water purifiers are sitting on runways in Switzerland, etc. waiting.
The people in Arizona from New Orleans are in a lockdown situation. Why???
I smell a rat........
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
... Legal to Lie said on 9/7/2005 @ 4:24 pm PT...
In response to the posted query, "Is it legal for a news organization to lie"? A local Fox affiliate news manager in Florida fired two of his newscasters when they refused to lie on a news program that made false health claims. The two newscasters sued the Fox news station for firing them believing it was not legal to require them to lie as a condition of employment. Surprisingly though, the judge ruled that there was no legal mandate that the news told the truth. So there you have it, "news" corporations can legally require their employees to lie as a condition of employment and there is no law preventing the media from lying to the public!
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
... Rob said on 9/7/2005 @ 4:35 pm PT...
You're on a fine path. With States Rights come States Responsibilities without mitigating federal responsibilities.
As their seats allow:
I believe the mayor (black male democrat) cared and failed.
I believe the governor (white female democrat) cared and failed.
I believe the president (white male republican)cared and failed.
I don't believe race dictates your ability to care.
I don't believe sex dictates your ability to care.
I don't believe your party affiliation dictates your ability to care.
I believe I have said enough.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
... MMIIXX said on 9/7/2005 @ 4:40 pm PT...
Now that President Bush has won Florida in his 2004 re-election bid, he may want to draft a letter of appreciation to Michael Brown, chief of the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Seldom has any federal agency had the opportunity to so directly and uniquely alter the course of a presidential election, and seldom has any agency delivered for a president as FEMA did in Florida this fall.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
... Valley Girl said on 9/7/2005 @ 4:52 pm PT...
Quote from Jeb Bush in book below:
"The truth is useless. You have to understand this right now. You can't deposit the truth in a bank. You can't buy groceries with the truth. You can't pay rent with the truth. The truth is a useless commodity that will hang around your neck like an albatross --- all the way to the homeless shelter. And if you think that the million or so people in this country that are really interested in the truth about their government can support people who would tell them the truth, you got another think coming. Because the million or so people in this country that are truly interested in the truth don't have any money."
"Bushwhacked: Inside Stories of True Conspiracy"
By Uri Dowbenko
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
... MMIIXX said on 9/7/2005 @ 5:09 pm PT...
what a family ,jeb for prez 2008 ,diebold or bust
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
... big dan said on 9/7/2005 @ 6:14 pm PT...
"Brownie...you're doing a good job, Brownie...heh heh heh heh. I used to go here to New Orleans years ago and get fucked up myself...heh heh heh heh heh...Trent Lott's house will be better than ever, and I'll be on his porch...heh heh heh heh heh...there's problems and we're gonna solve them...WE'RE PROBLEM SOLVERS!!! heh heh heh..."
Am I dreaming? This is the leader of the world? It's insane!
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
... SHRED! said on 9/7/2005 @ 7:00 pm PT...
You're not dreaming...
The WORLD is INSANE!!!
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
... MMIIXX said on 9/7/2005 @ 7:37 pm PT...
2000 should have warned people that something like this was going to happen.
Not a hurricane and its resultant floods ,wind damage and appalling loss of life but the then damaged "Infra-structure" of the USA.
Only a fool would think a government "by the people ,for the people" would be obtained as a result of a decision by a small group of "atypical" Citizens ,namely the Supreme Court .
To stop the vote count and award the results AS THEY DEEMED FIT was surely a "red flag" to anybody paying attention that the "Infra-structure" of the USA was serverly damaged ,no matter their political leanings.
A "red flag" confirmed on 911 ,twice ,the terror attacks by hi-jacked air craft and the publishing of the fact that Gore won the popular vote in 2000.
If you cannot be guaranteed that any member of government was truly elected "by the people", how can you guarantee the alleged winner represents "the people"?
Is the anger able to be focused at the heart of the problem ,corruption of ethics for power and financial gain?
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
... MMIIXX said on 9/7/2005 @ 8:43 pm PT...
Two Bush 2000 Florida recount aides were rewarded with top FEMA posts
"FEMA is widely viewed as a 'dumping ground,' a turkey farm, if you will, where large numbers of positions exist that can be conveniently and quietly filled by political appointment," the preliminary report said. "This has led to a situation where top officials, having little or no experience in disaster or emergency management, are creating substantial morale problems among careerists and professionals. "
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
... Joan said on 9/8/2005 @ 8:03 am PT...
"Michael Brown, director of... FEMA, sought the approval from Homeland Security Secretary Mike Chertoff roughly five hours after Katrina made landfall Aug. 29..."
That was 3 days after the governor & the president had declared a state of emergency, plus the 2 days Brown was allowing for the response to happen. That's 5 days. Unthinkable.
Hard to fathom also is why helicopters were not dropping food & supplies way earlier. Numerous reports say much was available & waiting & was held up or actually turned away.
The dumping of blame onto Nagin, the governor & other local officials is unconscionable, but I would like to know for the record what, exactly, their actions WERE.
The "right" is blaming them, the "left" is defending them; I'd like to see a timeline of their actual actions before, during & after.
So much has been said about those famous school buses: what is the actual truth about them? A kid was interviewed who commandeered one of them, just took the keys from inside the destroyed school, & drove 80 people to Texas in it.
The admins' failures are glaring, well-documented & appalling, but I think we need everybody's actions & non-actions out on the table for a fair accounting.
It seems to me that Nagin & others on the ground did all they could & were frustrated by communications failures & other immediate calamities that were unfolding & had to be dealt with; but I am a "leftie" & prone to see things from the point of view of those I trust of like mind.
True fairness is hard to achieve in actual practice. I'm tryin'.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
... KestrelBrighteyes said on 9/8/2005 @ 8:47 am PT...
Joan RE: #32 - Timeline - I think I may have gotten this from one of the threads here, or maybe it was someplace else (sorry, kinda fuzzy these days, lots to wade through).
I'd like to see something very detailed as well, spelling out exactly who did what and when, just to have the exact facts to counter the emotion from all sides.
At any rate, this is a start:
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
... Joan said on 9/8/2005 @ 9:05 am PT...
Thanks, Kestrel, yes, I've seen that. But, as you said, I'd like to see alot more of the details on who did what & when, for the reason you stated: to counter the emotion from all sides.
If there is any REAL investigation I think all that would come out; but I have very little hope that in this cesspool of deceit any real investigation is even possible.
I just posted a link on another thread to an article on alternet.org about the reports of rampant violence being largely untrue.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
... Joan said on 9/8/2005 @ 9:07 am PT...
here's that link:
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
... Kraig said on 9/8/2005 @ 7:30 pm PT...
To "Jimmo" and any other apologists for the Bushitlerites:
Think about what is by far the best and most efficient way to evacuate a large mass of people that don't have transportation and think about who is in a position to coordinate it. What is the first thing that pops into your head? Buses? Even with the incoming lanes of the interstate turned over to outgoing in the time of evacuation it was still clogged with people leaving who were able to escape by car. No, buses wouldn't be the best plan to evacuate all those who didn't have the means to get out. Trains are. A more thoughtful and compassionate federal government having the advance warning it did (and KNOWING that the levee system could withstand no more than a Category 3 and they were about to be hit with a Cat.4 that was a 5 almost until it made landfall, meaning the levee would almost certainly be breached and Lake Pontchartrain would end up flooding the city) would have paid, begged or compelled Amtrak and the much more numerous freight railroads to drop what they were doing to respond to a matter of national significance, not some pissant electrical storm you brainless Republinazi twits, but a huge, predictable catastrophe. They would be paid/begged/compelled to send every piece of rolling stock they could send towards New Orleans. The federal government could've sent Army railroad switchmen down there to route the trains or the railroad companies could send their own switchmen and crews, either way. They would have to route it so the rail line of egress and ingress don't intersect with the interstate, or it would be counterproductive, we'd be borrowing from Peter to pay Paul so to speak. Amtrak, much less numerous, could be used to evacuate the sick/elderly/infirm. The more numerous freight trains could be used to evacuate everyone else who couldn't get out otherwise. Would it be comfortable? No, but it would be a lot better than being left to drown by an unfeeling, lackadaisical "government". A boxcar, livestock car and refrigerated car with refrigerant off so nobody freezes of course, these could each hold about forty people, and there are gondola cars, flatcars if some kind of railing could be added, you could even fit probably a dozen if not more evacuees in a hopper (coal) car if necessary. You could easily fit a thousand people or more on a single freight train. When each train is full, that train pulls away to take its load of people to a safer, higher elevation to a temporary evacuee collection area and the empties are shunted onto a track to go around and rejoin the track heading back to New Orleans. It would be a hassle to run the trains continuously with one arriving right after the one before it left, but peoples' lives were at stake. You can't beat the railroads for movement of a large amount of people in a short amount of time. This would be the first option I would have looked towards. Did anybody in the Lush administration even consider something like this?
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
... Rolandc said on 9/10/2005 @ 2:15 pm PT...
Let me see how many clear headed thinkers are left around town. First the premise of my observation and then the question.
Imagine that you tell a drunk that not only is he going down the very wrong road but said road is definitely going to be the end of him ... he will die for sure ... the bridge is down and he'll drown .. too drunk for you to stop him there he goes down towards his death.
Now, do you think it appropriate to flatter his driving skills as he swerves around a fallen tree or praising him for observing the stop sign just up the road? The few moments of lucidity his drunken stupor allows him are certainly not worthy of praise now are they?
Then why would John Stewart do a "Bill Maher" and praise the media for doing part of its job? There is a lot more to do, from them ... and from us, it is not the time to embrace the media yet, with all the bad they have caused.
They need to do a whole lot more before they should be allowed back at the adults' table ...
Just a thought ....
By the way Stewart and Maher are our very own #1 and #2 as being the best anti-bushites that we have at the present so we must help them as much as possible.
I sincerely believe I am doing that by making them/you aware that the enemy should NEVER be encouraged while the fight is still going on and we are not the winners yet.
Bill and John should be made aware that rove would never EVER praise an opponent for whatever reason ... EVER! Maher and Stewart are our sentinels actually and a vile, obscene, abject piece of shit like rove, limpbag, hannity et al have enough ammunition with twisting the words our side puts out without giving them the videos to use against us. Make no mistake IT IS A WAR ... if you do not see it that way yet it is just sad.
While the reporters are running around trying to best each other and get a Pulitzer it is a lot harder for the rove machine to get their usually free 15 seconds tv bites to "catapult the propaganda" .. and they say this idiot is not really an idiot .. WOW!!
So keep the press running .. in all the ways and meanings of the word! .. as you can see their editors simply cannot contain all the Truth being written.
Hard and sad to believe that the only thing that is making sense of that disaster is that some Truth is leaking out ...
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
... jan jensen said on 9/10/2005 @ 10:11 pm PT...
You ALL need to start reading state and federal laws before opening your yaps. And as for the "9/11 was an inside job" poster...that is just idiotic. I suppose you are one of those who turn to the Daily Show for your NEWs, even though Stewart admits - even BOASTS that he *IS A COMEDIAN FOR GOD'S SAKE"
Roger that Jan Jensen.
The biggest problem today with the court of public opinion is that the public is so badly educated. They are real good at blame. Blame the President, blame the local officials. Bad things happen. Nobody necessarily had to botch anything for this disaster to occur. You can't force people out of their homes at gun point because a hurricane might come and kill them. This is still the USA. People have rights and those rights have consequences.
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
... sanity said on 10/6/2005 @ 3:28 pm PT...
You are all a bunch of moonbats. I feel sorry for all of you.
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
... sanity said on 10/6/2005 @ 3:29 pm PT...
You are all a bunch of moonbats. I feel sorry for all of you.
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