READER COMMENTS ON
"EXCLUSIVE: Daniel Ellsberg Says Sibel Edmonds Case 'Far More Explosive Than Pentagon Papers'"
(107 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 5:21 am PT...
under the circumstances, maybe a data-dump all over the net at one time. If the government decides to stop her, the net will go down everywhere at the same time, and that will finally get everybody's attention about the extent to which the US government has taken it over.
Once on the net, it is public information. Then the press will feel it is free to report.
Maybe she should just call Drudge! Yeah, that's the ticket!
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 5:23 am PT...
OOOh--OOOh, Francis, Francis!
Maybe she should just give the info to Giuliani's campaign. That crowd doesn't know how to keep a secret!
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 7:02 am PT...
This seems rather explosive. Ms. Edmonds is fighting a long battle, much like the 9/11 truth movement. She must know that there is complicity by the news organizations, in the sense that they are owned by accomplises to those in power, and those who are the guilty parties.
She needs to use the power of the web, and Youtube, like the movie producers of Loose Change. The power of the people is not in the mainstream media, and she will be waiting for hell to freeze over for them to change their position. Use the web Sibel, and the mainstream media will eventually come on board. They will then be shamed because they would not do the reporting in the first place. Keep up the fight for peace and justice.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 7:06 am PT...
I've been following this story since I first read about it in the "Vanity Fair." I definitley believe this is way more criminal than the Pentagon Papers. If Edmonds wants a hearing about this has she tried John Kerry? He did BCCI and the Iran/Contra scandal so he's not afraid of challenges like this. This seems to be right up his ally. The next time you speak to Ms Edmonds definitley recommend Kerry to her.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 7:23 am PT...
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 7:30 am PT...
I would think Bill Moyer and PBS would be willing to follow up on this. This is the kind of thing Bill like his name attached to. It might be harder to get it past his bosses than some of the other stories they have done, but who could take a channel ultimately run by our Gov. to court ? This seems like the perfect outlet seem if it is not quite the Mainstream Media, it is a US outlet with the kind of viewers that just might cause the outrage needed. Does anyone know if Moyers or PBS has been in contact with Sibel ??
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 7:49 am PT...
I guess I don't follow her logic that she wants to reward one of the shameless media corporations with her story, especially when they have no interest in telling it. Aren't they beneath her contempt at this point?
Did she try Bill Moyers or the people at Frontline? Greg Palast or Robert Greenwald? C'mon, anyone who still has some integrity left? The work by these Americans has been noticed by our government.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 8:01 am PT...
Abraham Lincoln: "...that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
Can't pinpoint the date, but it has perished....R.I.P.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 8:32 am PT...
At least this story highlights just how complicit the mainstream (is that still the right word?) media is in the Bush era criminality!
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 9:45 am PT...
If indeed it is understood that the MSM is never going to do the right thing then why waste time beating your head against a brick wall?
Know this: the implications of Ms. Edmonds knowledge is not just a threat to those that are directly implicated in the alleged crimes, but an indictment of our system of government and a major threat to the elitist powers that control it.
I suggest that Ms. Edmonds reconsider and use the Net to get her story out before it too is stifled.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 9:48 am PT...
Devil's advocate here, but if she does as you suggest, and the MSM ignores the story as they have so far (even as they did after about half her allegations were disclosed in the MSM itself by Vanity Fair), and she goes to jail in the bargain, what good has been done?
Other than satisfying the curiosity of folks like you and me.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 10:00 am PT...
So nobody in the "MSM" has the cajones to take this on - to let a highly credible woman provide information to the American public about what she knows that effects our national security.
Maybe someone like Michael Moore would be willing to make a movie of her testimony. Maybe Cindy Shehan needs to be elected to the Senate and then call for Sibel to testify. Only problem is that Shehan as a freshman senator wouldn't have chairmanship of any committees, so she wouldn't have much chance of getting the testimony heard.
When the 4th estate becomes so entrenched with the other three, it becomes non-existent and useless. Maybe it is time for the BradBlog to rise up and replace the 4th estate.
Thank you Brad for keeping this story alive. Your work is unbelievably important.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 10:12 am PT...
Ms. Edmond's ground rules are NOT going to work. As Groucho above says, she must use another outlet and the net is the answer. After that, you can bet, British and Canadian msm will pick it up. Lawyer up. Let the SHAME begin. You must know BRAD, each and every time you update Ms. Edmond's story, WE become more anxious about her safety. I believe the power of the net is being undermined here, it is the only power of the people we all have left. Use it or be silenced.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 10:27 am PT...
What other choice does she have? It's a given that the MSM won't touch this story, or that the very people in our government that should be holding hearings are instead burying it.
It doesn't have to be some obscure blogger, she could approuch HuffintonPost, MoveOn, DailyKos, and others that reach millions and do a simultaneous release.
Does she face reprisals? Absolutely, and I don't think she's unaware of that. But again, if it's a given that the traditional methods she is using are unresponsive, then what other choice is there? Once the facts and the names are known we the people will know who to target and put pressure on the MSM and others to follow-up. If indeed she knows they'll come after her, I'm sure there are enough people or means to protect her for doing what she herself says she's compelled to do.
Hell! I'll hide her. I got a spare room. But, then again, I've had a crush on Sibel since I first saw her.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 10:29 am PT...
For her own sake, I certainly hope Ms. Edmonds has some video "security" stashed away with someone trustworthy, and is avoiding small planes, etc. "Paranoia runs deep..."
On the scale of "Patriotism" the Right seems to be so taken with, Ms. Edmonds is up there at the very top.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 10:40 am PT...
i agree she should put it out on the Net- We the People will make sure the criminal and treasonous MSM pick up the story once it's old news.
Sibel Edmonds has said the American people have not been told the whole truth about 9/11, and has hinted that, at the least, policy makers knew it was coming and did nothing.
People need to stop defending the official 9/11 story and start demanding that the 70% of the 9/11 family members questions that were ignored by the 9/11 Ommission Report be answered in public hearings- and i don't mean "no plane" theories and the like that are being circulated by the neoCOINTELPRO
Complete 9/11 Timeline
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 10:44 am PT...
Ms. Edmond should condsider doing a webcast. Advertise it, blog it and get the date out for the event. Make history, get it out on the net. Have the complete interview and broadcast on the web. I am sure there are people that could help her do this. Surely that would get attention of the MSM, and most important the people.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 10:59 am PT...
I'll guess that Ms. Edmonds has everything documented, which is a factor in keeping her alive.
Keith Olbermann, where are you? At least tell us why you can't make this public, so we can begin to understand what roadblocks the msm is employing to stop exposure of this story.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 11:01 am PT...
Keith Olberman should step up to the plate and answer the risk that she's taking and take the risks himself and push to put it on his show or tell us how and why he's being censored from doing so.
I know he doesn't want to get fired as the most powerful voice we have out there now, but I think there' some time where one has to throw in their chips and play their cards!
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 11:04 am PT...
It's wonderful knowing that our country is so corrupted by the very people we elect. Is this one of the reason that so few even bother to vote or never scream out when people like Sibel Edmonds and the Brad Blog work day in and day out to simply inform the American public.
People like Valerie Plame and her husband Joe Wilson worked most of their lives serving the American Public and with a few twisted news stories are now considered common money grabbers with fictional stories that they want you to buy and read.
I'd love to see someone with big money come forward and buy enough of Valerie Plame's book to put fifty copies in every school library in the United States then sit back and watch our home grown American Nazi Party do their thing and burn them in one big pile on the steps of a Public Building.
We need to somehow convince our hardcore redneck Americans just who the real bad guys are. Right now just a little less then half of Americans still believe Bush and Cheney can do no wrong and worst yet they flock to political rallies and offer to support candidates that are no different then what we have right now.
Maybe those Foreign people are right about us being a country of ignorant spoiled brats. They forgot blind and dumb.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 11:13 am PT...
If Waxman has been informed of the criminal nature of actions as described by Ms. Edmonds and he does not act, doesn't this make him criminally complicit in not investigating("An individual is complicit in a crime if they are aware of its occurrence, have the ability to report the crime, but fail to do so")? We the people are asking him to get involved, and he is ignoring us. Rep. Waxman, please begin an investigation, or tell us why you do not intend to do so. You can reply right here in this blog, to get your message out. With no disrespect, consider this an adament request.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 11:33 am PT...
Rep Waxman is "guest blogging" on ThinkProgress.org
the moderator is scrubbing comments requesting him to let Sibel speak to Rep Waxman on their site; it's a conspiracy to them.
how frustrating this must be for Sibel --- AND ME!! no one wants to touch this story ... hmmmmm....
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 11:36 am PT...
I agree with Calipendence, Keith Olberman should step up.
Is he not the one who has been talking truth about George W and his cronies?
Can somebody post Olberman's email here? Or maybe an email at MSNBC to contact him?
I'd like to ask Keith personally why he hasn't backed Sibel.
Is Keith making too much money on MSNBC to actually give a shit? Or, does Keith talk the talk and not walk the walk?
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 11:43 am PT...
to those of you who wish to point a finger of cuplability at Bush for the criminal complicity of the MSM in hiding from the public the many atrocities of our government.
Know this: The corporate MSM has been cozying up to the media for decades now, and really don't care who;s in power, they just like being "close" to that power.
And I have a very peculiar premonition that Sibel's testimony will most definately cross all party lines.
I would bet you my next months wages that our government is far more criminal than even Dredd could hypothesize.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 11:50 am PT...
We need to translate this in to action: call & e-mail the networks, congress..
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 12:30 pm PT...
I believe Sibel is precisely correct when she says, "The only way they got away with it was because of the mainstream media. They are the biggest culprit for the state of our country."
I've been preaching this message for several years. NONE of the post-9/11 depredations against common sense and decency would have gotten far if the U.S. media had been doing their job. Instead, they have acted as tireless propagandists for the current regime.
This is all the result of the consolidation of media ownership in the hands of a few major corporations which are presumably beholden to the Bush junta. Unfortunately, it appears that many Democrats are equally co-opted by these out-of-control economic empires.
It is, as Sibel says, "Disgusting."
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 12:31 pm PT...
She better spill the beans and SOON.
And she better watch out for laser pointers on her head or body. They will be going after her for sure.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 12:41 pm PT...
the BBC is aired in the USA nightly... she may want to reconsider going to them...
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 12:53 pm PT...
Certainly it needs to air on a mainstream channel. On the internet it won't reach critical mass and will sink under a blitz of disinformation. The media deadlock has to be broken.
The BBC (for whom I once worked) remain schtum on the backstory of 9/11 like the rest. So far, they've given us a premature report of WTC7's collapse (and claim to have lost the tape and source), the Conspiracy Files straw-dog debunking, "The Path to 9/11" (but not "Press For Truth" or any other serious investigative piece), reports in Sept 2001 of the surviving hijackers, followed in 2006 by an uncritical endorsement of an FBI statement that neither the 9/11 Commission or House and Senate Joint Inquiry "ever raised the issue of doubt about the identity of the nineteen hijackers."
On September 11 this year they suffered premature ejaculation again by announcing the publication of a "study by a Cambridge University engineer [which] demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total". To date there's no sign of this publication which purports to show (without recourse to any material evidence) that the first global collapse of a steel framed tower in history, followed by 2 similar collapses on the same day was a "very ordinary thing to happen".
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 1:08 pm PT...
Olbermann too may have orders from on high about what he can and cannot touch. 9-11 and election fraud are two big blackout issues.
And Waxman--I just got a letter from him Friday explaining why he is anti-impeachment. So while I applaud his efforts to investigate wrongdoings, he seems to have a cutoff line, likely mandated by Pelosi. Since Sibel's info would likely demand impeachment, he can't go there.
Here's another idea. Kucinich's committee. Kucinich *may* be willing to allow her to speak to them. It's certainly worth a shot. While Kucinich's committee is small and any info presented would be ignored by the mainstream media, Kucinich could then read the information into the official record at a full house session via some procedural move. This would get the info out on CSPAN. From there it's up to the internets to make it go viral. The MSM would still ignore it assiduously--to a point. But if it's the blockbuster Ellsburg alludes to, it wouldn't be able to be contained for long.
Kucinich of course picks and chooses his firebrand behavior very carefully--the 9-11 investigation he promised for October has been indefinitely backburnered--so this might be a roll of the dice. But certainly it is worth a shot.
One more idea--Ed Schultz IS pro-impeachment and is in tight with Kucinich and John Edwards. He could be the key facilitator here. Getting on board could mean even bigger ratings for him (incentive) and he could help propel Kucinich. Or even if Kucinich didn't run with it, imagine if Edwards did. I don't have any contacts with Schultz, but if she hasn't done so already, I'd certainly recommend Edmonds' people (if she has people) start with a phone call. Schultz is as frustrated with the Dems on impeachment as anybody.
One last idea: if any deep-pocket pro-impeachment person wants to step up and but a 2-page spread in the Washington Post of the NY Times, THAT would get the word out there in a big way (assuming the papers would print it, which is unlikely.)
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 1:45 pm PT...
Make a documentary with Ms. Edmonds and enter the film in every film festival across this country and the world.
I'm sure there are dozens of directors that would jump at the chance to make the film and plenty of folks willing to fund the project.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 1:58 pm PT...
Why doesn't our Government just go ahead and give the aid money for the Turks, Israel, Pakistan, etc., right to the weapons contractors ?.
That's where most of it goes anyway, leave out the middle-man.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 2:27 pm PT...
They are getting nervous, they know its a matter of time until someone tells Sibel's whole story. (That's why Fran and Denny Hastert just quit)
God bless and protect Ms Edmonds for her patriotism.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 2:40 pm PT...
what does she expect? a red carpet?? tell her to open her mouth to whomever will publish- and now! publish on bradblog or an alternative site- many readers ignore the MSM now anyway.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 2:49 pm PT...
Here then is my question: Why in the HELL doesn't Daniel Ellsberg publish her allegations. While he wasn't in 1969, TODAY he IS "The MSM".
IE: Dear Daniel Ellsberg;
Please take the information provided by Sibel to The Washington Post and submit them either for publication, or as an Op-Ed, and SAVE THE GODDAMNED COUNTRY.
WTF!!!? Is it ME, or is it THEM?
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 2:58 pm PT...
brad has devoted his life to exposing the fraudulent US elections; the corpmedia has not assigned a single reporter to investigating same.
hundreds of websites have asked legitimate questions about 9/11; the corpmedia has not assigned a single reporter to investigate same.
thousands of websites have concentrated on the white house's impeachable offences; the corpmedia is not interested.
what gets traction in the corpmedia is 'threatening iran' 24/7 even tho the public worldwide - apart from israel - is against it.
even the threat to the flora and fauna (including homo sapiens) of the planet CANNOT get traction. corpmedia too busy giving equal time to the skeptics.
picketing the corpmedia houses on a constant basis may be a worthwhile pursuit.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 3:19 pm PT...
What is unfortunate I think is that Ellsberg had documentation - Edmonds does not, to our knowledge. Only accusations. That makes it much much easier to demonize her as a crazy. Which is in fact exactly what they tried to do to Ellsberg. It would be nice if the u-tube model of media could here exert its radically populist possibilities - but i think edmonds is correct that this must be 'annointed' via the MSM to gain necessary traction. This is really quite a high stakes situation. If what Edmonds claims is true, she should watch her life. The powers that be already feed the people lies which many digest rather than question, even knowing they are lies. These are the evil fruits of political repression. Beware yet another plane crash or car wreck or suicide - just as the details of this are more explosive than the pentagon papers, then so too the potential efforts to silence it. Also, I quite doubt the BBC would go with this story - these are matters of grave diplomacy - a powderkeg - which I doubt even the BBC would have the political power to advance in the context of their country's own compromised political leadership.
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 3:35 pm PT...
She should talk with Amy Goodman. Amy will run the story. She does great interviews. Waiting for the msm, Edmonds'll be dead before they look at a real fkn story.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 3:54 pm PT...
There is no MSM - it should be called just plain Filtered, Distorted Media - FDM. The public no longer believes the so called MSM anyway, especially about 9/11. Just make a documentary with a good fim maker.
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 4:16 pm PT...
The BBC of course already ruffles feathers in Washington by sponsoring Greg Palast, which everyone here probably knows that Bushco hates. So, they might bend the rules some, though if the info she has truly is such that it will bring Bush and cronies down, they still might be hesitant in this instance.
Cynthia Genest, there's already a documentary that features Sibel Edmonds out there. It was done by a French director and film company ("Kill the Messenger"), and has aired for some time outside the country and can be found to download on the internet in places. But you already get the picture why it hasn't worked when it's not allowed to show here and hardly anyone here knows about it.
I'm thinking we should push either Link TV or Free Speech TV (preferably Link TV since it is on both satellite services) to play this documentary, and also in the course of showing it, interview her and other folks like Brad and Lukery who will appeal to everyone what they can and should do to get the story heard (which is to call the MSM outlets to get her to be interviewed). By having that appeal show along side the showing of a topical documentary where one could get lots of viewers (who would be well targeted) tuning in, perhaps that would inflate the number of callers just enough to the MSM outlets that they would realize that the word is out too much for them to ignore it.
On BBC, perhaps have a promo there pointing to either BBC News, Olberman or wherever she's ultimately able to get an interview in one of the breaks of their popular show Torchwood which still has two more episodes left this season in the coming weeks.
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 4:18 pm PT...
The gears in the machinery of word factories have many teeth. -Dredd
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 4:28 pm PT...
Sibel ought to get over the disgust -we all have plenty of that- and work with the foreign media and, perhaps, Danny Schecter.
That she would have to go to the foreign media to get the story disseminated to the U.S. public would only add to her story, especially the failure of our 'representatives' and media to address her story properly.
BUT, if there actually isn't any documentation as the Pentagon Papers had, then her story will always be open to those in power saying it's 'too sensitive' or some other garbage such as Waxman's.
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 4:43 pm PT...
Is this a nation of journalist cowards.
If Oberman doesn't pick this up; his rants will feel hollow & not independent. The interest and importance of the Sibel Edmonds case is real and frustrating. Even if its to debunk the case, media outlets should be aggresively addressing these issues.
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 5:14 pm PT...
Ms. Edmonds needs to put the whole shmeer into UTUBE +
keeep a back up copy with someone trusty to keep puttin
the word out,just in case she would 'dissapear' and be
silenced forever.It is now time to bring to light the
missdeads of ALL ! who in on usurping OUR consitiution.
These Neocons must be stopped and the corporate controlled media be forced to put the story for all to
see.all Ms. Edmonds has to do is disclosed it to YOUTUBE and story will spread like wildfire on dry grass,they will be unable to contain it.
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 5:32 pm PT...
Try Mark Cuban's HDNET. He's probably up for it (he's not owned by anyone), and HDNET is sort of a network, and he probably has it on the web, too.
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 5:36 pm PT...
"Ms. Edmonds needs to put the whole shmeer into UTUBE'.
Nice thought but the feds would pressure to take down asap. Look the reality is they will not let her speak. Why, beacuse it would expose the vast corpution and greed that is our political professional whore system. The only way is from the grassroots upword. Can not upset the bs paradigm. It would cause too many people to question the staus quo. That means upsetting the apple cart. What we need is this...A new consitutional party. Make all crimes by political officals elected and appointed a felony with the death penalty as the madatory. I mean if they can kill murderers then why not give the death sentance to Foley, Cunningham, Libby and any other politico who's illeagal doings subverts, preverts and thus deprives the fundemental freedom of the american polulace. It is either change the game or revolution or else they great theatre show called the american political system will just keep on with the lies, the coverups and the illusions of mass deception..Somewhere, Joesph Gobbels is smiling and laughing at us knowing that the longer you spin the lie the more true it becomes..
It is a shame a god damn shame!
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 5:37 pm PT...
I'm done with sergio.
of course the only thing that speaks in this country is money. someone should organize a campaign like the money bomb and put money together for ad space on tv. that would get attention. hell, you could even buy a couple super bowl spots.
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 5:55 pm PT...
The Asu Ghraib photos were put out initially on Australia's Dateline program. They were then picked up by the US. I suspect that Sibel's claims could also gain US publicity by going with the same program or a similarly respected public affairs program in the UK or Canada. The net is too big and amorphous, everything just gets lost there.
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 5:59 pm PT...
She needs to come forward YESTERDAY. Her life is assuradly in grave danger until she does. David Kelly comes to mind. There will be safety in her final and complete revelation/accusation. If she keeps dicking around she's going to meet a bad end I'm afraid. This bunch are murderers with ZERO reluctance to act; unless by acting it further exposes them. If she comes forward, they will rightly fear to act. I hope she gets smarter and fast.
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 6:01 pm PT...
If Ellsberg knows, why doesn't he speak? Does somebody want money for this story?
I suggest simultaneous contact with all progressive radio shows.
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 7:27 pm PT...
Com'on, we need a good laugh. Put it on the Colbert Report. I mean, like, it could just be a teaser. We gotta' get off this serious perspective--without all this additional income the dollar would just, I mean like, TANK.
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]
JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 11/19/2007 @ 7:37 pm PT...
99 I'll make some room on the couch for ya . . .
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 8:05 pm PT...
She should move to Canada or some other country beyond US jurisdiction and spill the beans to whichever news organization will listen. Or just post it on the net. Don't worry, it will get picked up when BushCo tries to stop it. Maybe she needs some money? Fine, there must be some rich people out there who hate George Bush and Dick Cheney!
One comment above makes a good point: once she spills the beans, no one has any reason to kill her. The longer she waits, the more likely is her (assisted) suicide.
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
Martha E. Ture
said on 11/19/2007 @ 8:17 pm PT...
One possible solution to problem:
1. Attorney files a complaint in a federal district court re nearly any relevant matter to which Ms. Edmonds' testimony could be construed as relevant.
2. Attorney deposes Ms. Edmonds.
3. Ms. Edmonds tells all in deposition.
4. Deposition becomes public record.
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]
Off the Grid
said on 11/19/2007 @ 8:49 pm PT...
State secrets? Government not holding elections? The media is a sales force? We're running out of oil? Gore not going to save us and the polar bears? Oh, the agony. Now on (insert media shit circus here)--->the depression has been postponed for the holidays, and Obama gives out pot brownies to children...
...sure Brad we'll stay tuned for all the truth fit to print...hope you break the story before...oh, we don't have elections. Thanks.
COMMENT #56 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 9:09 pm PT...
The ruling, wealthy elites and their family dynasties have been in power, and covering up or distorting the truth called "news" in this country since before we were born, (and I'm 55.)
The only way to stop the coverup is to vote them out, which the American People will not do because they aren't informed. And the MEDIA will not allow for them to be informed. The MEDIA is the fourth branch of Government, and has shown some of its spokesmen would "taze" anyone who would disrupt their presentations of what they believe the American People should believe as "newsworthy."
(Would they also use water-boarding or draw and quarter their fellow American enemies who disagree with them?)
News media Moguls make so much boring money it's all about power. They've created a candy-coated world with their Skippy-the-dog-with-one-leg-news, babbling repetitive political commentary, and Hollywood gossip reporting. (Whatever sells their products.)
It's too bad Public TV can't deliver timely news and reach a broader audience. Maybe that's where this is headed.
In the meantime, WE CAN ALL THANK OUR LUCKY STARS for the internet and alternative news sources! (Until they put a ridiculous price on that, too.)
The SAD part of it is that more FBI agents, or CIA agents, or American Patriots have not come forward to support Sibel and truth. Seems it's always a woman to clean up the messes men make. And it appears some cowards have left her standing alone.
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 9:31 pm PT...
COMMENT #58 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 9:56 pm PT...
a corpmedia example: the washington post on 16 november published yet another example of political attempts to instill doubt that human activity is partially responsible for rapid climate change which threatens us all.
the case was related to the smithsonian. google 'smithsonian' and 'climate change' and you will see that almost no media picked it up. there is even a followup story - probably connected - with the american petroleum institute rescinding a $5M donation. it is picked up by more corpmedia, but the original WaPo story is lost.
think of a dozen critical corpmedia stories in let's say the past five years - those of seymour hersh, for instance, or the 'downing street memo'. the corpmedia trick is to simply ignore the 'news' in those stories. but google 'iran' and there are 3,000 articles on the first page of 'news' results, with new headlines every five or six hours.
you get the picture.
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 10:15 pm PT...
"Propaganda is a sprinter, but truth is a long-distance runner."
COMMENT #60 [Permalink]
said on 11/19/2007 @ 10:35 pm PT...
Sibel should go with BBC for the release. Timed with an earlier total web alert as to what and why it is happening, what info to expect and that BBC will be carrying it. The alert should bring attention to the fact that the MSM wouldn't carry it. This could have the effect of driving at least a little 'silver' pen knife in MSM's diabolical heart.
COMMENT #61 [Permalink]
said on 11/20/2007 @ 1:43 am PT...
I don't understand why the New York Times won't publish her story, after all, the Gray Lady has shown no qualms in the past in disclosing information harmful to the United States, so there must be some good reason why they won't carry her story.
I'm sorry, but all she has to do is make copies of the WHOLE DEAL, as she knows it, and send it off to any leftist organization and after the bloggers publish the story the mainstream media can then carry it without fear of government reprisal because then they are merely reporting on what others "allegedly" have reported. It's worked before.
Or she could give it to the BBC, they hate America and Israel enough. Then the American Media can say, according to the BBC ...
If what she is saying is true, then let bloggers have at it, after all bloggers were the ones to point out photoshopped items from Reuters and the Times before.
Just give us the info, forget all this cloak and dagger stuff, one interview, conditions, you must do this or that.
It's all nonsense.
COMMENT #62 [Permalink]
said on 11/20/2007 @ 2:16 am PT...
I believe that this subject won’t be touched by the likes of "Keith Olbermann" and company, or anyone in the MSM because somehow, some part of the story will have not have a “t” crossed or an “I” dotted and thus the question of credibility takes over.
Can you say Dan Rather ??????????????????????
COMMENT #63 [Permalink]
said on 11/20/2007 @ 2:24 am PT...
Yeah, sit on it for another year, and it won't matter. We will all be living in a dictatorship then, and even the internet will be under total Chinese style control. What is Edmonds waiting for, doomsday.
COMMENT #64 [Permalink]
said on 11/20/2007 @ 2:53 am PT...
I believe if not already done that Sibels testimony should be preserved by having someone like Robert Greenwald create a tape of it that could be aired on a major media network. Do a "practice" interview have Greenwald capture it so that if the MSM finds some scruples it is ready to go. Also if not Sibel can release it world wide announcing a date of release giving MSM one last chance to jump on this story before evrtyone gets it. It will take guts and if I did it, on the date of release I think I would be elsewhere besides the USA! Somewhere safe until the storm blows the bad guys away... I would be in contact via satalite links for news interviews..
COMMENT #65 [Permalink]
said on 11/20/2007 @ 3:04 am PT...
Iranian born Huh ?
OK, Sibel, hows this for an idea, revisit the country of your birth, I'm sure, they'd lay out the welcome mat for you. Whilst there, spill the beans big time to all World media sources, I'm sure they'd all beat a hasty path to your door.
I'd say you'd be pretty safe in Iran, from nasty U.S. pay back bogeymen.
When the shite has settled and the guilty parties have been lynched (I wish) the good folks of the U.S. may just welcome you home with the red carpet treatment ?
COMMENT #66 [Permalink]
said on 11/20/2007 @ 5:11 am PT...
There are lots of good ideas here:
So how about this: have you seen the upstart Real News Network? They are serious about making themselves an alternate, net-based source of 24/7 news to compete against cable, globally. At least I am impressed with them though it is early in the development. Visit their website. If it took the hostage crisis in Iran to make Ted Koppel a news staple, then perhaps the Real News Network would have an interest in breaking what could be the story of the new century. I suggest Ms Edmonds consider that outlet.
In the meantime, we all seem to be missing that she (though a patriot) still needs to consider her security and well-being for the long term. I want to hear her story, but as someone above pointed out, the documentation is a problem as it can all be bottled-up by "national security" claims that could keep it in limbo for decades, leaving her with only an oral argument. She is probably right to prefer a "mainstream" media source with some kind of resources to back her up over the longer term. Otherwise, she needs more than a simple "thank you" before they cart her off to jail for an indeterminate time.
COMMENT #67 [Permalink]
said on 11/20/2007 @ 5:24 am PT...
Gosh, here we have it again. The alleged "liberal" US media have no guts again. No hope for the near future.
COMMENT #68 [Permalink]
said on 11/20/2007 @ 6:05 am PT...
I fear the BBC is no more likely to take it than US TV corps. When the Beeb steps too firmly on the government's toes it always comes off badly. Truly sensitive material is internally censored and less controvesial stuff gets blocked by injunctions and the like. When a BBC journalist had the temerity to suggest intelligence on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction had been cooked a bit, he lost his job together with the Director General. Post Greg Dyke the BBC is is as independent of government as Blair was of Bush. Sibel Edmonds allegations would be highly sensitive to a government which has been at the forefront in supporting America's war on Terror/Afghanistan/Iraq.
COMMENT #69 [Permalink]
said on 11/20/2007 @ 6:46 am PT...
I think she is being ridiculous. She is screaming for all to hear, 'I'll be a Gandhi, a Mandela, I'll do it... if [insert "ground rules" here.]
Get over yourself if you're serious Sibel, you know how many people have died since you first broke your story? How many children have watched their parents be killed in massacres perpuated by those very individuals you claim to have information that would cause impeachment? Oh, waa, cry me river, I'm going to spend life in U.S. prison facility. Take one look at some of the real pictures and videos of the atrocities of murder and torture and you realize that though your sacrifice would be significant in ignoring the gag order, it would be far less significat than many that have come before you, even on this very day itself.
Shame on you Sibel, shame if you do not release all of your information publicly, and soon. For if you don't, then you'll be as evil as those in power you seek to indict, and as responsible for their crimes as they are.
Speak Now, or Shut UP!
COMMENT #70 [Permalink]
said on 11/20/2007 @ 8:21 am PT...
I have an Idea as to what Edmonds knows.
It is CIA MK ultra being used on America and the world.
Google MK ultra Bush
Google MK ultra Cheney
Google MK ultra brain implant
Google Mk Ultra Rumsfeld
Google MK ultra Wolfowitz
Google MK ultra Daniel Rigby Naperville Illinois
Googke Willim Rigby Potassium Nitrate production
Google MK ultra Kissenger
Google Kissenger Eugenics
Google Bush Eugenics
Google MK ulra Chertoff
De-classified MK Ultra documents
http://www.knowledgedriv...4_Duplessis_Children.htm Mass graves of 50,000 children found in Montreal from the CIA MK Ultra experiments.
http://www.google.com/se...+Patent+%235%2C159%2C703 US Patent 5159703
The use of this weapon is so subtle, so gradual that the victim will not recognize the use of it. But it would explain why American Politicians are voting irradically.
http://www.abovetopsecre...m/pages/mindcontrol.html Currently the MK ULTRA weapon is being used in Florida, Michigan-Ann Arbor and the Detroit Area. And I suspect it is being implemented throughout the United States. Please write letters to the editors of papers from around the world and ask that it be stopped. And this weapon is called non lethal- but it is not.. it causes accidents, it causes heart attacks, it causes strokes, it causes people to trip and fall, it causes kidney failure, it causes cancer, brain tumors, organ failure.
Letters ot the Editors of papers from around the world... http://www.mindcontrolfo...nment-contacts.htm#dnews
This is why American politics makes no sense.
MK Ultra CIA weapon weapons survivor speaks out... http://www.the7thfire.co...eriments_on_children.htm
Google--> CIA MK Ultra and find.. http://www.google.com/se...hl=en&q=cia+mk+ultra
Or if you prefer Alta Vista--->CIA MK Ultra and find http://www.altavista.com...ltra&kgs=1&kls=0 I do not know if it is in place in Europe now, but I do know it is in place in the United States- works via phone cell towers, bluetooth, WI-FI, Satelite Dishes, superimposed signals over electrical power lines with LED devices on the other end...
And certain chemicals in food and water percipitate on the nervous system and cause a more enhanced control. Less is more- read all labels of your food, soaps, and shampoo and choose those with most natural ingredients. Stay away from products with complex hydrocarbon chains. Less is more.
It has been used on myself and it is in Florida, Michigan, California, Vermont,Canada, Upstate New York,California, Georgia, Tenn, Kentucky, Illinois- big time. Probably this is being used in Israel becasue of the sensless violance after 2000. Remember when Israel had peace? Well MK Ultra would explain a lot about why the peace process it not working...
Google---> MK Ultra Israel
COMMENT #71 [Permalink]
said on 11/20/2007 @ 8:29 am PT...
The Bush/Clinton Years
Unfortunately, bashing government has become far too easy. The Left has become as strident as the Right. Two extremes do not offer a lot of pleasant choices for the middle.
George Bush is going out of office soon. There should not be any impeachment proceedings or any other such dalliance to delay the electoral process.
As voters, we should be looking toward the ’08 election as the end of the Bush/Clinton years. There is no time machine to take us back to redo the past. We can only go forward from here.
Asking to bring down your government is akin to being wary of what you ask for. Whatever has been done right by our government, and whatever has been done wrong by our government, has not been the best or the worst the world has to offer.
Yes, there are people out there doing things better than we have done. At the same time, there are people out there doing things a lot worse than we have done.
The concept of bringing down your government can lead to anarchy and chaos. A breakdown of the system can open the door to some very nasty people. People who’ve committed far worse crimes than our government has been accused of committing.
So, in ’08, let’s put an end to the Bush/Clinton years and look for something else to start anew from.
We don’t need to strictly vote either Republican or Democrat. Let’s go for the candidate who offers to cut the past for a new direction.
COMMENT #72 [Permalink]
Off the Grid
said on 11/20/2007 @ 9:50 am PT...
Why don't you cover the story Brad, do the interview, post it. Be the media. If this isn't a national news outlet, shit, I guess we don't have any.
ps-I'm sick of people waiting around to do nothing. How many days do I have to come back here to see that not only are the mainstream media not covering major stories, but the little guys aren't covering the major stories because they "aren't the right outlet"...if it's the truth like you say it is, just cover the damn story...smart people will read it, the masses will snooze...bob's yer uncle
COMMENT #73 [Permalink]
said on 11/20/2007 @ 10:21 am PT...
We've been screaming this for years. Please, please link to our 9/11 FACTS (not theories), scroll down and read our important 9/11 articles, and click on to Editor's Blog and link to our 9/11 blogs. The Truth Movement is alive and well....but, like everything else of importance, will never surface in the MSM.
And please, check out the previews of our 9/11 DVD documentaries.....(we're non profit).....
For the sake of the nation:
COMMENT #74 [Permalink]
said on 11/20/2007 @ 11:04 am PT...
getting precious over 'the truth' can get you terminated - the woman should piss or get offa the potty
COMMENT #75 [Permalink]
said on 11/20/2007 @ 2:02 pm PT...
What about Kieth Olbermann? Surely he'd pick up this story! A producer at MSNBC's Countdown --- perhaps the outlet most often suggested to us as likely willing to interview her --- expressed interest during multiple inquiries we'd made to them. Each time, the promise was made to call us back with on the record information on whether they would do the interview, and if not, why not. They never called us back.
The problem is that, while Olbermann has been able to push the envelope more than any other modern-day mainstream journalist, he and his producers still have a corporate boss. I'm sure they would love to report this story, but Keith's show is not live. It's pre-recorded, which means there's no way he could slip it onto the air without the corporate leadership catching him and stopping it.
Ms Edmonds really should go to the BBC. It's not part of the American media, but it is aired in the United States. If they would take the story, it would make its way to Americans. And once the story's already out, the MSM would have a harder time ignoring it.
COMMENT #76 [Permalink]
Mr Anon Y. Mous
said on 11/20/2007 @ 2:11 pm PT...
She can put the video on bittorrent with a MD5 file signed with her OpenPG digital signature to prove the file video file has not been tampered with. That way the video will spread to thousands of computers worldwide and the government will not be able to stop it.
COMMENT #77 [Permalink]
said on 11/20/2007 @ 2:46 pm PT...
I would be more than happy to assist Ms Edmonds in producing and documenting via DVD the entire criminal conspiracy.
All for the sake of future generations of course.
PS...I am dead serious too. I have the equipment and know how to do this. And I live in the middle of no where. very remote.
COMMENT #78 [Permalink]
said on 11/20/2007 @ 5:43 pm PT...
AH!!! Mushroom Managenent does work.
The definition of Mushroom Management: keep your people in the dark, and feed them manure. In this case, they are not being fed, period. Mushroom Management is the US Governments way to control the populous, by placing a muzzle on free speach by controlling The Mainstream Corporate News Media.
Another example of news of major interest to the US population is the Iran, Pakistan pipeline deal. Bush
is seeking sanctions against Iran, while our, so called ally, Pakistan, is ignoring sanctions against their neighbor, Iran.
Who realy are The United States of America allies?
Is it all about the money?
What's next, gas for nukes?
Sibel, never give up. A co-member.
COMMENT #79 [Permalink]
said on 11/20/2007 @ 9:12 pm PT...
Keith hinted at it tonight.
Showed Hastert's resignation speech, and then asked
he wondered what was behind Haster not finishing his term and leaving early.
In order to have a free country you must have a free press. MSNBC was the only station talking about Scott
McClelland's accusations against Bush & Cheney today.
Not one word about it on CNN. The only way to let the
MSM know we know they are assisting turning this country into a police state is to call the President of
CNN news and tell him we want ALL the news - or we begin calling sponsors. The airwaves belong to the people and we can demand the FCC take away their license for failure to provide the service WE have given them the opportunity to provide.
COMMENT #80 [Permalink]
said on 11/20/2007 @ 11:43 pm PT...
Sibel Edmonds thank you so much ! There are no excuses America, Look into the eyes of the ones you love. What world will we build for them? Who will pay the price for that world ? Who are you and what really matters? WE THE PEOPLE...have the power to make it so. NO EXCUSES...Thanks
COMMENT #81 [Permalink]
said on 11/21/2007 @ 12:29 am PT...
interesting. I woke up this morning (at the ass crack of dawn e.g 3am hitting Ch 3, 10 and 13 sarcastically telling them the good job they done. To be followed up by a stolen vehicle high speed chase (6am?) with each channel doing helicopters. By Like 10 AM, they brushed off the chance to be real again. After that I hit the FCC with my public comments on FCC chairman's desire and activities to re-consolidate the media.
Burn in hell. (hopefully that'll be on earth and in jail.)
I see lots of activity on this topic, but how many of you have filed a bitch on the public file of the station that pisses you off the most? Block their fscking license renewal, wake the hell up!
Protest in front of their stations. Forget DC. I been saying this for awhile now. Washington DC, is out of control, they won't be stopped, the buildings are symbolic only. Not reality. Start treating the media/news like they treat us, backstabbing. And for god sake wake the hell up if your not awake, there's folks out there that say that water can be exploded (in steam mist format) to provide fuel. WHY DO YOU SAY IT'S CRAP? CAUSE SOMEONE TOLD YA, AND YOU AIN'T TRIED TO DO IT? INVEST IN IT YOURSELF AND FIND OUT, BY BUILDING IT YOURSELF. It's friggin called DIY! and it's probably under 3 grand still.
I might know power and frequency and somewhat of physics, joe might know chemicals and cooling, frances might know re-cycling and filtering systems. WITH ALL OF US, we have the ability to tap into the most common element on the surface of the planet. WATER.
We all conspire to make hydrogen dyhydrogen cars.
for your further friggin info, I will be having my own electrolysis experiments at the end of next week. Starting with the steel socket plates. I hope to be able to show hydrogen production from plain ass water on my TV show soon. And if they want to kill me, comeon bitches. Go ahead and kill me.
COMMENT #82 [Permalink]
said on 11/21/2007 @ 12:32 am PT...
Electrolysis of Hydrogen ain't the answer -IMO
It's injecting it in, and using plasma!
Meanwhile the media does their thing. Great. Fuck them.
COMMENT #83 [Permalink]
said on 11/21/2007 @ 12:36 am PT...
And for all you fine folks that live in the San Juaquine vally of callyfornia (Gees I murdered that language)
Remember George Bush don't want save levies and dams he wants blackwell, fema, and dhs to be outsourced to take over.
I HATE THESE PEOPLE, THEY ARE BEYOND SHIT.
COMMENT #84 [Permalink]
said on 11/21/2007 @ 12:40 am PT...
BEYOND SHIT, they are toxic chemicals and grey goo nano-tech waiting to pollute the SF Bay, and much much more!
Put a stop to their ass and corporate media's ass and hit the FCC with your hand written (IN ANY FORM) comments!
We got to take back the media, cause our beloved web is next via un-net neutrality.
Alright I shot my load and now I'll shut up.
COMMENT #85 [Permalink]
said on 11/21/2007 @ 5:10 am PT...
The mainstream media is most at fault for the current siuation in soviet america. The Bush/Cheney cabal, should of course, be in prison awaiting execution for war crimes, treason, murder, torture, violations of U. S. and international laws, etc. This will never happen if the people are not informed by a diligent media, which simply does not exist in America.
COMMENT #86 [Permalink]
said on 11/21/2007 @ 7:05 am PT...
I'm certainly no fan of msm or govt but I'm really confused about why she simply doesn't put this information out there in a variety of ways already suggested by many, hmmmmm
COMMENT #87 [Permalink]
said on 11/21/2007 @ 7:05 am PT...
"I'm sorry, but all she has to do is make copies of the WHOLE DEAL, as she knows it, and send it off to any leftist organization and after the bloggers publish the story the mainstream media can then carry it without fear of government reprisal because then they are merely reporting on what others "allegedly" have reported. It's worked before."
Well here is the problem with that logic.
The MSM, ALL OF THEM don't fear any government reprisal. They ARE the Government they all spew pure Reich wing propaganda, they ALL lie continuously, they ALL omit any and all information regarding Election Fraud & the blatant FACTS about what really happened on 9/11.
There are several people and sites that blog about Election fraud and the FACT that Bush was never elected, so how many MSM outlets report what should be one of the most explosive news stories ever? NONE!
9/11 to anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together was the most blatant inside job/false flag attack in history. There are hundreds of websites with terabytes of information concerning what we KNOW about 9/11.
There is video out the ying yang of what is clearly 3 buildings being taken down with explosives.
There are hundreds of professionals in the fields of Demolition, Structural Engineering, Architecture, Physics etc. that have stated the collapse of these buildings had to have been the result of explosives.
There are hundreds of NYC Firemen, Police, EMTs whom have all come out blowing whistles from the roof tops through bullhorns all saying the same thing.
They heard explosives being used.
There are many Government insiders, current and ex-military, pilots, that all question what happened or flat out call it a damn lie.
Nothing the "Official Conspiracy Theory" states is factual in anyway, most of it is not just improbable its IMPOSSIBLE.
So obviously with all this the MSM must be investigating every little detail of this treasonous act since basically 50% of the country & at least 60-70% of the entire freaking planet all KNOW that 9/11 was planned and executed by several people in the highest positions of power in this country. right?
Ummm NO! The reason being is because the MSM is fully complicit, the Congress both Rethuglicans & democrats are complicit in these crimes and cover ups.
They will not now nor ever report on either of these 2 issues because they are all GUILTY of the crimes and the cover ups.
So hoping and waiting for the criminally complicit MSM and US Congress to implicate themselves in Treason, War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity, Mass murder, Election Fraud, just to name a few is not EVER going to happen in our life times so phucking forget about it.
There is only ONE way this bullshit is going to stop and that is if WE THE PEOPLE rise up in the 10s of Millions and MAKE IT HAPPEN.
There are no legal avenues available anymore they have everything sewn up tight as a drum.
All that is except for that one last resort of which the founding fathers of this country clearly placed right in one of the very documents this country was founded on, it is literally the entire basis of said document.
The Declaration of Independence
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government."
It's time to get to work before its too late IMO.
We have about 120 Million in this country that know mostly what is going on, that's more than enough.
COMMENT #88 [Permalink]
said on 11/21/2007 @ 8:04 am PT...
COMMENT #89 [Permalink]
said on 11/21/2007 @ 12:06 pm PT...
If anything bad (i.e."accident", etc etc) ever happens to Sibel, (or fellow major whistleblower Bunnatine Greenhouse, for that matter), I will see it as State-sponsored murder.
Because that is exactly what it would be,
if it ever happened.
COMMENT #90 [Permalink]
said on 11/21/2007 @ 2:08 pm PT...
MSM: cowardly, submissive, conscienceless, self-serving, arrogant pricks.
COMMENT #91 [Permalink]
said on 11/22/2007 @ 7:04 am PT...
I say, if all else fails, to start telling all to the A list blogs, such as this one, then let it filter down to the rest of us and to go viral. Eventually, someone in the MSM will have to sit up and pay attention. Could they prosecute us for violating the fascist state secrets act? Who cares? Let's find out.
COMMENT #92 [Permalink]
said on 11/22/2007 @ 2:50 pm PT...
Dan #24 indicated that "I would bet you my next months wages that our government is far more criminal than even Dredd could hypothesize" ... well Dan ... I have to agree completely.
JoJ # 52 I can do better than that: 99... I'll make some room on the ____ for ya ...
Dan #77 Sibel ... go for this ... Dan is no bullshit!!!!
Phil #81 ... lets go have a beer keg ...
to the rest ... keep on bloggin in the free world ...
COMMENT #93 [Permalink]
JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 11/22/2007 @ 3:34 pm PT...
COMMENT #94 [Permalink]
said on 11/23/2007 @ 12:39 am PT...
Thank you Sibel for your courage and real patriotism. Will be writing to Waxman AGAIN.
This was a strange article for a conservative mag, they also have questions about the anthrax:
The Mystery of Dr. Graham and Jamal Khan
October 04, 2006 10:26 AM EST
My friend, and fellow blogger, DFV at http://www.Constitutionclub.com sent me this interesting little
story: Do you like a good 9/11 mystery?
A long article about Dr. Graham:
COMMENT #95 [Permalink]
said on 11/23/2007 @ 12:44 am PT...
Here is the url of the magazine questioning the FBI's handling of this case:
by David Huntwork
The left sites don't seem to mention this manuscript:
His family says he was poisoned more than two years ago. At the time, Graham was trying to publish a manuscript about meeting three middle easterners in Shreveport, men he feared were plotting to bomb
Barksdale Air Force Base. Graham wrote that he warned the FBI. Then after Sept. 11, he saw their pictures among the hijackers.
FBI involved in another 9/11 cover-up; "The Strange Death of Dr. David M. Graham"
He warned the FBI about a ring of alleged Arab terrorists - before 9/11
So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.
What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. - Matthew 10: 26-28
COMMENT #96 [Permalink]
said on 11/23/2007 @ 4:38 am PT...
It is all about capacity to believe. We all have the ability to believe so much, but then no more.
A look thru the 911 commission report and comments on it will lead anyone to the edge of what they can believe. The MSM can't believe Siebel for the same reason Bill Maher can't believe scientists about the "false 911 commission report".
The list of professionals who do not believe the preznit blush admin story about 911 is growing, and the very elite of scientists and professionals are on the list.
Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]."
(List of professionals). "I can't believe my eyes" is a common exclamation of someone who has reached the edge of belief.
It is a matter of whether or not you can believe that the current regime tells the truth about anything or not.
If you can believe they told the truth about only one thing, and that one thing was 911, then you can't believe Siebel and the thousands of experts who do not believe the government's pet 911 conspiracy theory.
The same is true for election conspiracy theories ... if you believe the government is composed of angelic beings who harbor devine truth in their hearts, and have only our good in mind, then you can't believe elections are ever rigged.
Psychology 101 baby.
COMMENT #97 [Permalink]
said on 11/23/2007 @ 7:52 am PT...
The solution is simple. If the mainstream American media will refuse to interview Ms. Edmonds, have her go to Greg Palast and the BBC or some other overseas outlet.
COMMENT #98 [Permalink]
said on 11/23/2007 @ 8:23 am PT...
The Bush Regime (and associates) is a Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization.
The War On Terror. The Price of Oil. The reasons for 9/11 are to be found in the History of the Bush Crime Family.
COMMENT #99 [Permalink]
said on 11/23/2007 @ 9:05 am PT...
Edmonds can tie together Enron(Central Asian Oil Pipelines) and the Dade Co. Putsch(Enron jets flying GOP staffers to hijack our election for Dubya) all into one bundle.
Follow the Money.
She can challenge State Secrets easily.
Attorney Client Privilege. Let her attorney report lawbreaking by others on the record. Let's which judge topples the very basis of being a judge by denying Privilege.
COMMENT #100 [Permalink]
said on 11/23/2007 @ 9:26 am PT...
I thank you Brad for this information, somehow it slipped off my radar. I don't watch too much commercial TV, so I didn't see the 60 minutes piece, and I wasn't familiar with the Vanity Fair article. I heard you interviewed by Bree Walker on KTLK this morning on this subject, so I immediately went to your blog to get more info. Needless to say, I am appalled, but not particularly surprised, that Ms. Edmonds information against the FBI and others in our country's government is being ignored and intentionally supressed. I'm not surprised anymore by anything similar that happens under our current administration.
That being said, I have to agree with the bloggers here who wonder why Ms. Edmonds is not willing to take her story to other outlets outside the mainstream. This information, whatever it is, should be made public by whatever means necessary. If news media in other countries want this story, then let them have it. If this information has been around for the last 5 years with no further attention in the US than the initial segment on 60 minutes, then I doubt that any other major media outlet will be airing it any time soon. If Ms. Edmonds own safety is as compromised as she portends, then it seems to me that she would want to disclose it as soon and as effectively as possible. I think that contacting persons such as Robert Greenwald, or even Michael Moore would be a good idea. There have been many good ideas on this blog that should be considered. I will still contact the Olbermann show, the only news show I will ever watch, as I think anyone who becomes aware of Sibel Edmond's situation should, along with Rep. Henry Waxman's office, since he is the chairman of the house oversight committee, and demand their attention to this matter.
This is what I find myself doing more and more these days, because we no longer have any free press. Our news media is owned lock, stock and barrel by corporations, most of which have their hands in the pockets of members of this administration, and it's up to all of us as citizens of this country to take it back from them, When an issue like this that may be so important and vital to our country's security, viability, and reputation then it's up to us to help spread the word.
COMMENT #101 [Permalink]
Leo R. Lindquist
said on 11/23/2007 @ 9:10 pm PT...
Sibel Edmond' plight was detailed nearly five years ago in a magazine called the New American, published by the much-maligned John Birch Society. Go to their website www.jbs.org for an eye-opening discovery as to what really goes on in Washington, D.C. In 1923, Charles Lindbergh, Sr., published in a book, mainly in condemnation of the Federal Reserve sytem in which he said that both major parties are corrupt. Ditto for W. Cleon Skousen in his book "The Naked Capitalist," in the early 1970s. In Carrol Quigley's book "Tragedy and Hope," published in 1966, he talks of his oppportunity to look at the secret papers of the international power-brokers and Quigley wanted to let the public know of this power cabal, since he figured it was too late for Americans to fight against it, part of which was their control of both political parties at the top. Finally, if you consider Peter Jenning's comments on the evening news on June 15, 2004, that the Democrats and Republicans have had in informal agreement in place NOT to investigate each other!! Now, how do you spell
C-O-N-S-P-I-R-A-C-Y? Now you know why the Democrats are back-peddling in regards to getting US troops out of Iraq and why they don't want to give Sibel public Congressional hearing. and, like other comments above have stated, the meainstream media is so corrupt, due to their ties with the Council on Foreign Relations. I am reminded of a phrase attributed to Mark Twain, which is: "In the beginning a patriot (Sibel Edmonds) is a man(sic) hated, feared and scorned, but in time when his [her] cause succeeds, the timid join him [her], because then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Let's take back America - vote for or write-in Ron Paul next November 2008.
COMMENT #102 [Permalink]
said on 11/24/2007 @ 7:20 am PT...
The same government entities gagging Ms Edmonds may be the ones covering up for George W Bush and protecting him from impeachment. The owners of the mainstream media outlets are extremely powerful corporations known to be in bed with the status quo and especially the Republican party, which dominated government in the US since 1994.
Apparently 13 years too late, the American public is only now beginning to wake up to having been 'had' by their government bigtime for a number of years. But now, as recession sets in and popular discontent seethes over the blocked exit from the war in Iraq, finally some popular discontent may put the elite oligarchs on notice that they are going to face a groundswell of public rebellion against their policies as more and more of this outrageous corruption in many areas of American life are finally publicly revealed.
I hope people write their representatives and demand the release of this lady from the gag order. It is now the public welfare that is at stake and the public's right to know who is betraying our citizenry.
Almost the whole Republican party and many Democrats too should be on a bus to jail.
COMMENT #103 [Permalink]
said on 11/24/2007 @ 10:12 am PT...
The reason she can't do it outside the mainstream press is obvious, she wants to force them to actually discuss the matter as opposed to studiously ignoring it.
How many issues get vetted throughly online but never see the light of day in the MSM? Allot..
She's hoping someone will either get patriotic or get greedy and give it a run in a serious medium, which cannot be ignored and will force the rest of the press to at least comment on her allegations.
Run it online and they'll act like they never heard of her. Just like 9/11 truthers, Ron Paul and everything else.
COMMENT #104 [Permalink]
said on 11/24/2007 @ 4:35 pm PT...
I've read or at least skimmed all of the entries so far. Why hasn't anyone suggested that Ms. Edmond contact George Noory at Coast to Coast AM?? C2C has an international audience and has a huge following. Mr. Noory isn't afraid to speak the truth. He's covered other sensitive topics before. Why not suggest one more?
COMMENT #105 [Permalink]
said on 11/25/2007 @ 4:41 pm PT...
Agree with all of the above, especially that the upper brass is poised to take this person out! The Devil is in the details and they are all waiting for her to be silenced!!
COMMENT #106 [Permalink]
said on 11/25/2007 @ 8:45 pm PT...
I've been a print journalist for 16 years, so I'd like to toss in an observation here.
Whistle blowers who try to manipulate the press don't usually get very far, unless they are sophisticated in such things. If Edmonds has something to say, and if she wants the information to circulate, she should just say it. Trying to be coy, and hinting at "Big Secrets" to be revealed only if so-and-so interviews her and does such-and-such, is the lame course taken by two-bit hustlers and frauds.
It's not up to the networks to have somebody like Edmonds dictate to them how (or whether) they edit their interviews. She is not a professional editor, nor is she an employee of those networks. The networks are not beholden to her preferences.
I'm not saying that she is a fraud, but I am saying that she has no credibility yet in my book, because her behavior mimics that of the many frauds I have encountered over the years.
If she offered me a chance to interview her, I would turn it down, she doesn't appear capable of saying anything important or even newsworthy, she just seems to drop "hints" that are getting increasingly boring.
COMMENT #107 [Permalink]
said on 12/12/2007 @ 10:31 pm PT...
"A Journalist" said:
I'm not saying that she is a fraud, but I am saying that she has no credibility yet in my book, because her behavior mimics that of the many frauds I have encountered over the years.
And I'm not saying that you're a fraud, but if you can make a statement such as the above, without bothering to learn about her "credibility" (as already estabilished by senior Senators, the 9/11 Commission, the Bush DOJ IG office) then you've got no credibility with me, as your comments mimic that of many "journalists" I have encountered over the years.