This is fantastic exposure for you and your work Brad. Congrats. I just met Randi a couple weeks ago here in Seattle. I podcast her every day, so I'll surely be listening to how it went later tonight (she is not on live up here.) I'm sure it'll be a great match - hey! your chocolate got in my peanut butter kind of thing.

Please talk about the polling between landlines and cellphones debate.

And address the voting rolls purge problem...
It's not just 600,000 in Ohio: LA, FL, MI, KS, NM, CO, and NV

http://www.dailykos.com/.../8/0144/73374/148/589714

Do what you can do.

http://www.NOvaMRadio.com

Let Freedom Ring.

Poll watchers could be an effective tool to moderate the kinds of voting process abuses seen in 2004. You can't stop the abuse but you can be a witness to it and that may come in handy if there are legal challenges after the election.

I have been reading that this year as in 2004 the Republicans are planning to field an army of poll watchers to challenge voters and continue the kinds of vote suppression and intimidation that occurred previously. The major targets are the battleground states.

The DNC is advertising for poll watcher volunteers on the DNC website and you can sign up by filling out a simple e-form. link here:

http://www.democrats.org/page/s/nlcpollwatch

This might be an activist approach that people who are interested in insuring a fair process can take. Election Judge positions commit you to a minimum 14 hour day but many states have no control over the number of hours poll watchers have to work except for designating minimum times to be present during vote counting or to be allowed back in without formal on-site approval if you leave for any reason.

Your hours would be controlled by the party which seems to make provision for short times on duty and your State requirements depending on the job you would do for your party.

Poll watching could be an alternative for those of us that can't commit to 14-16 hour days and may be worth mentioning.

Go Brad! Quite an honor. You deserve it.

Hello, world. My ISP went down this morning and so there isn't much left standing around here just now, but as of this moment we seem to be jake.

I love how the bank, the store, the world shuts down whenever the cable goes hinky. Not. There are some reasons not to become so completely dependent on technology. Yes. Yeeeeez, there really are.

I've seen reports re Ohio caging, heard about what Bruner did on Friday (saying no one will be taken off rolls with only a returned letter) but am still not convinced all is good in Ohio. Maybe you could get into this.

Will try to, Kim! And welcome, ya'll. Who's here?

I'm here.... Kidnapper.

Big Dan's also here, but can't post in person from work. He says:

Interesting: The top of the hour news briefs don't mention Sarah Palin saying that she thinks Freddie & Fanny are run by the government for years...hmmmmmm....but they reported the Olbermann thing!!!!!!!!
Goebbels would be proud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't you mean qwahtah aftah?

I hear you are the star of a new movie with clint curtis. true?

Hi Brad, Well its about time I get to hear you on the radio, real time (You sound Great!). I usually listen to my local AA station but I can hear Thom all week long. You not so much. Glad to be here,sounds like an interesting show!

Palin IS a gaffe!

Big Dan sez:

Also, post for me, that on their OWN FUCKING CHANNEL, they just had AP news talk about Olbermann and NOT about Palin not knowing that Freddie/Fannie are privately run!!!

Big Dan sez:

Brad is unbelievably excellent, I never heard him host a show. He needs a full-time show, fuck the blog! He's the best guy I ever heard on the radio! Seriously!

GET HIM A FULLTIME SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's called "lying by omission", Lisa.

McCain was flat out lying. Probably didn't even know he was doing it either.

Fohty Five Aftah... Poifect!

Big Dan wants me to remind you that he's an expert in this stuff.

Hi folks! I was so into listening and calling in, but in principle I just can't pay to listen to a show (unless it's the Red Sox) so I'll wait for the rerun. But we'd better somehow get this election right, and it's great to see you spreading the word farther and wider, Brad. Write on!

You can listen online, Bippy.

http://novamradio.com

Thanks, 99!

They had spotters start the USA USA USA bit every time they had to nab a protester. We all heard it in the McCain speech.

Lottakatz#4,
Check out PollworkersForDemocracy. They train pollworkers to be pollwatchers as well.

(P.S. I'm not here.)

But when I went to that url they wanted money from me. I don't got no steenkin' greenbacks. But I love following it vicariously. BTW, 99, you're aces.

Wilbur combing me down ... Jack (Daniels) in the trough ... and Brad radio!

Sounds great ... Very well EQ'ed.

. . . . .Lazing on a sunny afternoon In the summertime.

Ring that bell ... You Da Man!

Who was that masked woman?????

Bippy, dude! They're asking money for Europe to listen????? That doesn't sound right.

??????????????

And, aw, shucks.... xoxox

Are we having fun yet?

Big Dan is so toadally jacked about this, Brad. He's hopping up and down that you should have your own show. He really IS an expert, too. He's plugged in to the media 24/7/365.... Never stops screaming about it either.

Nines do ya mean SUNNY AFTERNOON (Ray Davies)

... as everyone will no doubt remember from when he was still able to connect here.

But Big Dan can't get highspeed in his house?! Shall we take up a collection for him? Anybody who thinks I'm that great should be here!

you guys seem very afraid of Palin, the more negative you are (esp on the personnel side), the more you turn off people - keep it up!

Big Dan sez:

Brad said, "I'm a blog guy, not a radio guy". He has it backwards.

Adam's blog:

http://kokesh.blogspot.com/

Well, if negativity is so counterproductive, Ken, what's the GOP's excuse?

My main question remains: Why not adhere to the election conditions we imposed on Germany and Japan and they and incidentally Canada still adhere to, to wit, hand-marked paper ballots counted in public? It's far cheaper, and faster, when done at the precinct level. Thor Hearne can subcontract Blackwater Smooth Elections to take care of the chain of custody

Oh, that's so 20th Century, Bippy....

Geez, 99, whaddaya want? Blackwater still rules, and that's definitely 21st century

I wonder if I could get a job with Blackwater...? They say you can be most effective from the inside....

I would be all camo'd up, packin' in a monster big way.... I'm rubbing my hands together....

Bwahahahaha!

I thought Flo was going to be our Flo. I got all giddy there for a sec, Floridiot....

You another group that can spin the election? The radical left, who keep repeating that Dems and Reps are just the same... And they're voting for Nader, McKinney, but never in these stupid idiots, etc. That plus the votes that are not counted gives us 4 more years of Fascism! They drive me nuts!

gee whiz "Brad" it seems like no one can post another opinion w/o an attack or demeaning comment.

I suppose undecided voters such as my self may have to go elsehwere - you keep preaching to your chior and anybody left that is not a leftist will go away - as will your candidate.

Thanks for the plug on air and the other departing voters - well done! "Brad"

agent99

negativity is bad across the board, wish we would focus on issues - although is is negative to question a candidate's loyalty (i.e. Obamma being associated with terrorists?)

Oh, Ken, we're so sorwy. Pweeze don't vote for McSenile.

"Undecided." Pfeh. Bullshit, Ken.

Big Dan sez:

AP news briefs: this govt takeover wouldn't have happened, if people listened to Bush administration pleas for reform (no mention of Phil Gramm Enron loophole).

wow agent99, you sure are quick on the uptake

why so hostile, do you actually hate more than 50% of this country? you must live in a big city

911??

why bring it up if we have had so much success in preventing another attack (oe event as I am sure you think of it)

I am a country girl through and through. I'm right in the middle of a cow pasture. All the Republicans around here are hot to vote for OBAMA. Your crap about over 50% is just that. Crap. They, you, are just setting us up to steal this one. You know good and well McPain can't possibly garner more than 30% honestly.

Big Dan is reminding me that he NEVER lies....

Ken, as far as I know, no one has had his or her comment excised herefrom for at least 4 years, except in a very few rare cases of consciousnessly bad behavior or ordinary spamming.

'shaking my head'

another "stolen" election reference

I think it will be a close election, but I know the left is terribly afraind of Palin - thats the reason for the desparate attacks

why cant we talk about using our resources, maintaining some values and family ideals, etc

oh well, just trying to open dialogue, willing to listen to all sides here

I am on all your filthy talking points email lists, Ken, and so are a bunch of my Good Ole Boy friends. They LOVE Obama... went batshit crazy for his convention speech. So your crap about 50% is really, really, really crap. FASCIST PROPAGANDA FROM THE FASCIST MEDIA. This is the first time in my life my Republican friends and I have been united against a Republican candidate. It's HUGE in favor of Obama and against McWarmonger out here in Shitkickersville.

Czar (not a reference to socialism I hope) - I dont think comments are deleted, just not answered or simply twisted.

just bringing up issues of our time

energy - we need it for our way of life, the rest of the world would not care if we went down or had a problem

terrorism/war - see above - US first in my opinion

economy - see above again

In case you've never been here before, Ken. This site is almost exclusively about election fraud. 2000 and 2004 have been proven to have been stolen, there are outrageous "anomalies" out there everywhere, and hundreds of thousands, millions, of voters being dropped from the rolls.... Look around here. Save your breath on this shit.

Hi 99! I'm pretty much back. But clicking for a 99% tummy, or whatever? Drill Here!!! Drill Now!!! WTH???????????

I WORKED MY BUTT OFF WITH A BUNCH OF TRULY GREAT AMERICANS TO STOP THE MURDERATING OFFSHORE DRILLING AND WHEN THEY CHANT "DRILL HERE DRILL NOW" I WANT TO DRILL THEIR FUCKING FOREHEADS INTO THE GROUND.

Clean energy. Here. Now.

agent99, come on, how hard is it to fill out a ballet - if not done correctly it must be thrown out

Also how many dead / illegela / you fill in the blank "people" have voted for the democrats over the years - it is well known

I guess it is human nature to deflect these things to others - oh well, by the way how come so much hostilty and the need for profanity?

Although, I agree Brad is multi-talented, the #1 issue every radio, media, and tv host should be talking about is electronic voting failures, and election integrity.

This is absolutely justified, to be filling in for the top hosts..

Our elections are cooked, and that in turn has allowed everything else to get cooked.

Where everything else equals, Constitution, War, Economy, Infrastructure, Health, Privacy, Intelligence, Justice, Emergency Preparedness, Media, and on and on and on.

I mean all that in the very friendliest neighborhood way, of course....

I told ya, Ken, I'm a redneck.

Playing the "angry Left" meme eh Ken?

And if you're for America first, you don't vote for McTraitor and you work to get * and Fudd behind bars.

OK clean energy, how about nuclear? or does it have to be wind & ethanol

Nukes are dirtier than coal, and coal is filthy. Solar, wind, tidal, all kinds of pristine clean modes of powering everything already feasible to replace fossil fuels.

Just wake up from all the plutocrat-spread bullshit and clean up our planet, take our country back from criminals, killers, traitors... FASCISTS.

Page is reloading really slow for me so I'll just say, Hey 99 and all.

Brad, you're kickin' ass today, great job!!!

Hey Brad,

You sound great on the radio

"The Truth is that all of the money that could have been spent reforming health care, developing alternative energy and repairing our nations' infrastructure was just blown on bailing out China and you are directly responsible for it! You can forget about any of those programs you want in the next Congress - the money is all gone."

Love, you, Flo. Great time for the server to get indigestion, ain't it?

In reference to the 'vote absentee' subject, I believe that the State of PA doesn't allow absentee voting unless you're physically out of town. Would be nice to see this addressed, considering doubts continue to arise regarding the various brands of voting machines across the state.

Hey ya'll. And thanks, ya'll. Even Ken!

Stick around. Maybe you'll learn something. I can't believe you'd hate America as much as you make it sound. Stick with it.

THANKS AGENT 99!!!!

The caller was full of crap on the UCLA study , I HAD to read it in Poli-Sci. See who funded it, and who is on the board.

Thanks for all guys. I gotta get out of the studio. Will try to get archives up as an update here as soon as I can get 'em!

Bless ya'll!

Emily #25 said on 9/8/2008 @ 12:58 pm PT...

Check out PollworkersForDemocracy. They train pollworkers to be pollwatchers as well.

Thanks for the link Emily, I'll check them out after the show. This time around what is needed is boots on the ground.

Peter B is on KRXA now. One topic will be about the Election Advocate Arrested During AZ Hand-Count, I think, Fraudy Mac, and Phony Mae as well.

Get to your radios! ;O)

Brad Brad Brad

I think the only hate comes from you and your "followers"

Oh well so , much for a "conversation" on the issues - you have heard of those right?

Great show Brad! I hope they invite you back- the issue could use about 412 hours of prime-time media coverage in the next several weeks.
Your remark on Missouri being one of the ground zero states is correct. I live there and we're using the ES&S iVotronic touch screen machines and optical scanners. Machines so flawed you can't even determine if they failed, flipped, were hacked or operated correctly; it's a totaly faith-based voting system ;^)

'....the horror, the horror.'

UCLA study on media bias?

Groseclose and Milyo?, yes, that Milyo from Missouri...what a joke.

I am not familiar with the guy who is close to gross tho

Jeffrey Milyo

Brad, I heard the whole thing from work...EXCELLENT! I'm surprised you were good (ahem).

You can take up a collection for me for a few new pc's, thanks!

99: Thanks for commenting for me, I was emailing from work. If anyone has a problem with 99 cursing, she was relaying what I asked her, which contained curses. Don't blame her. If you have any problems with this, you can reach me @ 1-800-EAT-SHIT (you saw that coming???).

And don't worry about cursing, it will be outlawed when the religious zealot Sarah Palin is president when McCain croaks between 2008-2012.

Seriously, Brad, you should have your own fulltime radio show. It's the best I've heard.

Cursing: I grew up in a small town, still live in a small town of 250 people. I have "small town" values. They curse a lot in our small town.

Sarah Palin will be guest-editting this blog, and she will delete all the curses. Sarah Palin, "understands" the foreclosure crisis...she doesn't know Fredy Mac/Fannie Mae are privately run. She's got "executive experience"!!! You should be worried about that...not cursing... We know she existed for ONE WEEK so far, wait until some MORE time goes by! They did vet her, didn't they? You know, John McCain, who met her ONCE and said they were "soul mates"! Worry about the cursing, though...

Just about to download the podcast, happy listening ahead.

BTW, Ken is completely off base with his remark about Czaragorn's moniker. Not surprising as Republicans really don't know what the hell is going on in the world today, nor do they have any sense of history.

Ken, for the record, a "Czar" is, was, and always has been, an emperor, an "imperialist" despot. The root of the word is the latin "Caesar", from which "Kaiser" and "Shah" are also derived. About as far as you can get from a socialist, if you are considering the actual meaning of the word as representative of an adherent to a socialist economic system. Boy, you guys really do get your shit bass-ackwards, don't you. And the truly funny thing is that you think you're being some kind of clever.

BTW, does your inference also mean that you would consider the "drug czar" a socialist also? Just curious.

Wow, do I dare jump into this?

Maybe later once I get home...

Hey, where's the captcha letters? Everything is there but the letters!

I'll try the Oh no, I cannot read this. button...

There they are!

Now it says "No Valid Entry"
Sheesh,
New numbers up now - trying them...

Yay - I'm In!

The part that blows my mind is that he doesn't have any trouble voting for warmongering mass-murderers but complains about my profanity. Talk about profanity! OMG

Caller was correct about liberal media bias

Note the following leftwing sources that confirm overwhelming liberal bias in the media:

media contributes 100 to 1 for obama!

Leftwing media bias as reported by the "conservative" NYTimes

objective bnet report on media bias

public cites overwhelming liberal media bias

Opinion poll data on the eve of the 2004 election debunking Brad's fringe assertion that the polling machines are "broken"

now the fringe left can cite extremely biased leftwing sources to "debunk" my presentation of objective empirical data.

Note that in the previous post.

IBD (pro-business, conservative daily) cited the Harvard Study and RealClearPolitics respectively as sources.

It was left to them to report empirical research that was intentionally omitted by the MSM.

ALso, note that all but 2 major polls had Bush winning the 2004 election. All of these polls are experienced and credible analysts of voting projections, yet Brad and other fringe leftists will cite subjective progressive opinion to refute these respected and unbias sources presented above.

Thanks Robert. If only we could get the Democratic Party to pay for shills to crank out the truth to counter that shit, we could pay our bills and eat!

Czaragorn, Brad, Emily... somebody! Please keep an eye on the trolls for me for a few hours.... I have a lot of driving to do and can't be babysitting these guys until later.

Note the previous quote as confirmation of my assertion that the fringe left resorts to ad hominen attacks devoid of fact, logic, and empiricism when presented with serious research from respected non-biased or liberal institutions.

I presented sources, many leftwing, to support my assertion that the media is bias to the left and that the polling machines results parallel the polls from gallup, ipsos, rasmussen, CNN, et al.

and agent99 responds with baseless accusations.

if your objective, judge for yourself.

robert

Check into how much Rush Limbaugh gets paid and tell me if the ads on his show cover that. Same with a ton of broadcasters, bloggers, "think tanks" and "journalists". Same with all you guys who show up right before every election like clockwork.

I know you plan to take advantage of my travel time tonight, so if no one else comes in to moderate the threads I'm going to have a ton of work to do later.

Anyone who is objective has eyes and ears and knows your shtick about media bias is pure Republican spin. I just worry about the innocents out there... the ones you guys prey on.

A story that makes me wonder.
http://www.firstcoastnew.../FNsoyXn35bJUeEQuLSgo%3D

soul rebel

actually I do know a fair amount about history and the russian czars (you do know that the russina pulled out of WWI because of the revolution?) and how the socialists brought them down, I was only using it as a metaphor

Oh well, would you like to discuss history in more detail and how distribution of wealth was the downfall of the Soviet Union or perhaps can you name all 6 japansese carriers from the pearl harbor attack - name your posion

Agent99

There is a notable difference between Rush and Brad when compared to the mainstream media that you dont consider.

Rush is acknowledged as a conservative voice, Randi and Brad are acknowledged as liberal voices --- in contrast the media mislead under the guise of objectivity and journalist integrity (i think we both agree that is an oxymoron)

I cited empirical studies from UCLA, Harvard, NYTImes, and major pollsters whose jobs depend on accurate unbiased results.

you have yet to answer why the pollster results on the eve of virtually every national election match the results of the actual election?

Here are the polls for the senate races in 2006 --- the pollster nailed it in favor of the dems:

http://www.realclearpoli...cs_poll_averages-63.html

Here are the polls of the presidential race in 2004 --- the pollsters nailed it:

http://www.realclearpoli...s.com/bush_vs_kerry.html

It is un-American, dangerous, and divisive that brad and other fringers would intentionally denigrate the election process when these professional pollster's research supports the results.

Hell! we are all for fairness and reliabiility at the polls, i dont want dems or republicans stealing elections.

in addition, it is ironic that whenever the democrats win --- the polls work, yet whenever the dems lose .....

furthermore, i challenge you to cite a shred of evidence to refute my sources that show the media overwhelmingly contributes cash to liberal candidates in the case of Obama by a 100-1 margin!!!

finally, i think it is unfair and bigoted to cite everyone who disagrees with you or is a conservative as a "troll"

For Helpless Robert -

Here's one of those "fringe left" media studies you thought I'd answer with:
https://bradblog.com/?p=6225
(Showing bias by the networks towards Obama, by the same guy previously lauded by Bill O'Reilly

Then there's this ridiculous study, showing a "liberal media bias" by the GOP paid "academic" shill, Jeffrey Milyo:
https://bradblog.com/?p=5845
...And here's Milyo suddenly forgetting who paid him for his study, while testifying to Congress:
https://bradblog.com/?p=5803

And then there's Media Matter's *empirical* study (pure numbers) of the political leanings of Sunday Talk Show guests over a period of years:
If it's Sunday, It's Conservative
...and the follow up, a year or so later:
If it's Sunday, It's Still Conservative

BTW, Media Matters is wrong. There is nothing "conservative" about most of those labeled as conservative in their study. More appropriate would be "If It's Sunday, It's Rightwingers".

I'm more conservative in my little pinky then George W. Bush and his band of Constitution-hating friends and thugs (apparently, much like Robert) will ever be.

I'm sure you won't bother to read any of those links, of course. But after having read your silly studies about reporters donating to Dems (the study didn't include corporate owners, who decide content, and their money to not-Dems) I thought I'd try to help you a bit. It's only your country and American values you have to lose.

Thanks for listening!

Informative, Entertaining, Engaging, Compelling, Unique voice, Rolling, Serious, Factual, Humorous, Personable I'd say he does was a good show.

Why did you discount that vet who called in commenting on McCains temper. This is why Republicans win. If Obama had a temper,it would be in your face in the media all day long.

Republicans win on emotions, they even tell us why they win and we sit here with sticks up out butts trying to be all factual and smart-= it gets us no where, please let your callers bring up character issues. Don't be such a smarty pants that loses the election again.

For Helpless Brad:

All of your sources are extreme leftwing opinion. For example, citing yourself to support your views is like citing the voices in your head.

it is not credible to cite personal opinion in the absence of objective, reliable, and credible evidence

It is hilarious that you would cite media matters as objective. For example, I challenge you to cite a single commentary in this ridiculously biased website that is favorable to any conservative cause.

The contrast between my sources and yours is palpable.

FOr example, i cite UCLA, Harvard, Gallup, Ipsos, Rasmussan, CNN, NYTimes et al and you attack my sources as unreliable and not valid.

I think any objective, independent-thinking, and rational folks would judge otherwise, brad.

like me, try citing some objective non-aligned sources next time.

and the challenge on finding anything from media matters that is favorable to anything conservative stands --- have at it, dude.

your quote brad:

"(the study didn't include corporate owners, who decide content, and their money to not-Dems) I thought I'd try to help you a bit. It's only your country and American values you have to lose."

brad, the harvard study debunks your assertion that the corporate leadership in the mainstream media influences its journalists to the extent that they would report favorably to the right.

In fact the study cites the opposite --- let me summarize for you again --- media reporting is unquestionably leftist!

In addition, your extreme views are why out of touch with mainstream Americans.

For example, the majority of Americans support the death penalty:

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/1450

support gun rights:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/.../16/guns.poll/index.html

oppose partial birth abortion:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/.../16/guns.poll/index.html

support drilling:

http://www.rasmussenrepo...ect_it_will_lower_prices

and now support the McCain Palin ticket:

http://www.realclearpoli...mccain_vs_obama-225.html

A 60 second, single thread analysis of the poster known as "Ken."

1. the more negative you are (esp on the personnel side)
2. no one can post another opinion w/o an attack or demeaning comment.
3. (i.e. Obamma being associated with terrorists?)
4. why so hostile, do you actually hate more than 50% of this country?
5. 911?? (or event as I am sure you think of it)
6. I know the left is terribly afraind of Palin - thats the reason for the desparate attacks
7. Czar (not a reference to socialism I hope)
8. terrorism/war - see above - US first in my opinion
9. by the way how come so much hostilty and the need for profanity?
10. I think the only hate comes from you and your "followers"

Could this be the roots of new psyop tactic, to set everyone up for an politically motivated, and government motivated preventative intelligence operation?

Then...Tick Tock... Tick Tock... Enter Robert.

Suddenly a challenge to the validity of sources. Fascism vs. In the Public Interest, confusion of terms like "media bias", "Right Wing", "Left Wing" with the ONLY term that matters and is at the root of what's wrong with the media...

"fascism"

And no I don't trust CNN, NYTimes, Gallup, et al. Since that have proven over and over to blacklist things like:

Sibel Edmonds
Electronic Vote Device Fraud
Voter Caging

What is left or right about those issues? NOTHING.

It's FASCISM.

And it could very well be the beginnings of politically motivated intelligence operations we are witnessing here.

Somewhere on this blog there's a saying, "it's not a matter of left and right, it's a matter of right and wrong."

Election integrity is such an issue. There's right and there's wrong, and what has happened to our elections is wrong. And it's not investigated in depth to shine a light on it until it is fixed by the fascist corporate alphabet channels.
ALL OF EM!

That's why they are not trusted. They are not in the Public Interest.

Do you have a point, Phil?

Your diatribe is more disturbing than valid, objective, rational or reliable.

Is the world so confusing and threatening to you that you have to manufacture phantoms and boogeyman to explain it?

cite sources, use logic, be rational phil --- your rant is unintelligible and typically leftist.

good night all,

phil, stop eating spicy pizza before going to bed, it might help with the nightmares.

brad, get some strong coffee, your going to be up all night trying to find a shred of objectivity on the media matters website.

good night to all the good little leftists.

dream of neocon conspiracy theories and machinations from the "military-industrial complex"

remember, we are watching!!!

bwaaaahahahahahah!!!! bwaaaaahahahahahah!!!

Robert at #99 asked:

you have yet to answer why the pollster results on the eve of virtually every national election match the results of the actual election?

First go here: ELECTION FRAUD Beginner's Guide: A Broken Democracy Crash Course

Then go here: Edison-Mitofsky Analysis

And finish here: Was the 2004 Election Stolen? - Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Those should answer your question!

Phil...

Could this be the roots of new psyop tactic, to set everyone up for an politically motivated, and government motivated preventative intelligence operation?

Could? Could???

thanks to two monday night games!!! i will humor my amusing leftist for a little while longer since you have provided respectable arguments for me to counter

for example, Bluebear2 and the studies he cited from "bastion of conservatism" the rolling stones mag no less states that exit poll data confirms polling manipulation.

I counter with the following facts and logic offered by a fellow blogger on another site:

Before jumping to contusions, please consider an alternative 'conspiracy(?)' theory...

It's a lot easier for a biased clatch of networks with national reach and a semblance of credibility to massage exit poles, which are NOT subject to stringent regulations or under lock and key, than for anyone to pull off a national manipulation of ballots, which are.

in addition, the left cannot explain or rationalize the parallel results from more valid, reliable, respected and professional pollsters (when compared to inexact exit poll methodology) that matched the election results in 2004

of course the left is big on minutia, circumstantial and anecdotal evidence (easily jaded exit poll data) in the absence of the overwhelming preponderance of facts (millions of dollars in research conducted by nationwide professional pollsters dependent on "getting it right").

Note that every conspiracy theory has its origin in a tidbit of inconsequential truth aggressively reported in the rolling stones or media matters and adopted "lock, stock, and barrel" by the leftist horde who remain firmly insulated on leftist blogs

Perhaps we should start out with agreement on the terms involved. I would start with something simple as wikipedia where disagreement can be changed in nearly real time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Bias

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_media (Public Access TV falls under this)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_media (by definition it's not in the public interest)

http://en.wikipedia.org/...ght+wing+media&go=Go
(There is no such thing as "Right Wing Media")

http://en.wikipedia.org/...eft+wing+media&go=Go
(There is no such thing as "Left Wing Media")

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_Media (The term "MSM" or "mainstream media" has been widely used in the blogosphere in discussion of the mass media and media bias.)

It's "fascism", citing sources.

Now if your disturbed by what I said, that's maybe a good thing, since we now have the validity.

I really don't care about objectivity, as I am not a Journalist.

As far as questioning my rationality, that's pretty much objective as to which side of the problem your on.

e.g. Your a.) for upholding the oath of office, and the constitution, citizen oversight, accountability, and the rule of law, or b.) for destroying the constitution, an "executive gone wild", dark government with secrets, destruction/obstruction of evidence, no public oversight or accountability.

My source for taking an oath, is the USAF.

My source for turning people into criminals who have done nothing wrong, are the 2004 RNC, MacArthur Park Police Riot of 2007, GASSED BY RIOT POLICE AT DNC 2008, 2008 RNC, Arrest of Amy Goodman - Democracy Now! and other credentialed members of the Media, Raiding homes with Journalists in St Paul, John Brakey arrested. Add to this FISA with no oversight, Patriot Act, and a DOJ that is serving Justice for "JustUS." With this activity there is no law of the land.

A further breakdown of the initial 60 second analysis

The KEYWORDS used to deceive observers to this thread:
negative attack terrorist hostile hate 911 attacks terrorism/war hostility

The INSINUATION (quoting Ken):

I think the only hate comes from you and your "followers"

-=-=-=-

We should all be on the terrorist watch list with that Rovian logic. But you see, this logic creates criminals, where there were none. This is that whole everyone's a terrorist mindset that has propagated out of the Bush administration's bullshit "war on terror."

Now you have idiot's running around "crying wolf." If they know so much about these terrorists, why do they need a god damn list, why not just go get them?

You want more sources cited, go look them up yourself. This country has been turned into a god damned circus in the last eight years.

And any little attempts to keep attacking free speech by using politically motivated intelligence operations backed by the government need to be seriously punished, as that is completely unacceptable.

I hope your happy with all the sources, that's guaranteed to make sure my message will be delayed because of all the URL's involved.

OH yeah One Last Link for you, in case you still think I am disturbed instead of invalid, non-objective instead of reliable or rational, or maybe I am manufacturing phantoms now? Wooooo, or Boogeyman Ahhhhhhh! Or maybe my Logic is different than the electronic voting machines, or maybe I habla espanol, Big5, or unintelligible und gewöhnlich linksgerichtet anstelle anstelle verständlichem und von ehrlichem.

Okay, You can finish translating that later. It's just some sub rant about being intelligent and honest.

What is more important right now is for you to see
The truth about political use of intelligence operations on the public, and on Journalists.

Peace

COMMENT #111 [Permalink]
... Phil said on 9/8/2008 @ 8:45 pm PT...
Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Didn't I say it... ;o)

Robert -

Yawn. Your silliness becomes a bore. But just a coupla quick responses, since even dead-enders deserve pity:

All of your sources are extreme leftwing opinion.

Apparently, you didn't even bother to read the first link I sent you (a study by a source that wingnut whackjobs Bill O'Reilly and Glen Beck have used/lauded in the past)

For example, citing yourself to support your views is like citing the voices in your head.

I didn't source myself, genius. I linked you to articles with information and original sourcing within them. Don't bother to read them, as you may accidentally learn something.

it is not credible to cite personal opinion in the absence of objective, reliable, and credible evidence

I didn't. But don't bother to find that out.

It is hilarious that you would cite media matters as objective.

Yes, counting numbers, transparently, is objective. No matter who does it. If you count how many Republicans versus how many Democrats appear on a number of shows over a period of time, that is objective (and the basis for the MM study).

If you object to their methodology, as I have objected to Jeffrey Milyo's fake "academic" studies, then I'm sure you'll let us know what problem you have with it (as we did, in regards to Milyo).

For example, I challenge you to cite a single commentary in this ridiculously biased website that is favorable to any conservative cause.

Virtually every article on this blog deals with support of the Constitution and the Rule of Law. Until you guys hijacked the party, those used to be conservative causes.

Beyond that, I'm not Google, and your an operative. So you can go searching for yourself to find the various actual Conservatives (and Republicans) who we've supported on this blog.

As to your next comment, presuming to know my opinion on things like the Death Penalty, Drilling, Abortion, etc. you've got all the smarts and vetting skills of John McCain. Congratulations.

Give my best to the rest of the 30 percenters. Let 'em know they are welcome back in America whenever they wish to rejoin us.

wow, Brad. u were so good at this. maybe u always have been, but this is the 1st time i've heard it 4 myself. if u had a time slot on "talk radio" i would actually tune in. thanx again 4 the light u throw on my path, jacki

I might suggest for us "sane" posters here to completely ignore the nut bag Reich wing lying ass lunatics like Ken & Robert here.
Serves no purpose what so ever to bother discussing anything with someone that is clearly one of 2 things.
1. utterly delusional
2. Just a lying ass troll pretending to be this ignorant in order to spread Reich wing propaganda.

People like this do not deserve recognition of any kind they are the Young Earth Creationist of the political world. There is no reasoning with them, a logical thought would short circuit what little grey matter they may have.
Just not worth it, you have the exact same odds of getting through to these cretins as I do of teaching calculus to my cat.

Brad: Excellent job on filling in for Randi.

Can you address this question:

Is this big surge in the polls towards John McCain, and all this euphoria about Sarah Palin "real"? or is this just being manufactured by the Mainstream Media?

How could anyone actually believe that a Bush-Cheney "Yes man" like John McCain, who voted for the interests of Cheney/Bush/Halliburton/Exxon-Mobile/etc. 95% of the time, is a "maverick" about anything?

Clearly McCain's track record proves he is nothing but a puppet who serves the interests of the elite corporate overclass that has hijacked this Country and robbed the Nation.

Who then are all these people flocking to McCain, when 2/3rds of the Nation are against the Iraq Invasion, against the Bush Economy, and against the loss of our civil liberties?

What credibility does McCain have at this late hour?

Brad @ #113

I didn't source myself, genius. I linked you to articles with information and original sourcing within them. Don't bother to read them, as you may accidentally learn something.

It's obvious that he only looks to see where the links come from so that he can discredit them - if he even looks at all!

Nunyabiz @ #115

I might suggest for us "sane" posters here to completely ignore the nut bag Reich wing lying ass lunatics

I learned that here long ago with our former favorite troll Paul.

Ken and Robert in particular are cast from the same mold as dear Paul.

wow, you guys are something - instead of addressing any issues or points - the typical repsonse is "he is a lying wackjob"

OK you just keeo listening to thise great speeches and drink the kool aid

Cannot have an honest discussion with anyone on the far left and right - that is is a bad sign, hopefully the middle/independants grow in the future

Good luck and keep it up!

see if anyone will talk about issues

Should we get our own natural resources (& not worry about ruining the "views" of elitists on the coasts) or allow foreign companies to drill off our shores?

Nunuy you sure are clever - instead of any serious rebuttal to issues such as energy, immigration, healthcare, etc. - all you can say is they are lunactics

shows how deep you really think - or is it the fact that all you can do is spit out what you hear on Randi's show - oh well

Relax, Don't Spill the Whine

I saw this on the blog of Craig’s List founder, Craig Newmark, yesterday and thought it was worth sharing:

ObamaTravel.org — real grassroots democracy

"Hey, this is a good example of genuine grassroots democracy:

ObamaTravel.org is a platform that connects volunteers who want to travel to a swing state with financial sponsors and swing state host families. It’s sort of a political hybrid of craigslist and Team-in-Training - volunteers post profiles and solicit sponsorship from their family and friends. Sponsors can see their donations in action by following the activities of their volunteers.

... and let's remember that "community organizing" is pure grassroots democracy."

COMMENT #119 [Permalink]
... ken said on 9/9/2008 @ 8:39 am PT...

wow, you guys are something - instead of addressing any issues or points - the typical repsonse is "he is a lying wackjob"

I'm calling crap. Crap.

HIT F3 in ANY BROWSER
type in "he is a lying wackjob" (without the quotes)

THERE IS ONLY ONE VOICE THAT SAID THAT KEN. THAT'S A FACT, NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK.

UNLESS SOMEONE QUOTES IT AGAIN
(and that will make three times)

Letting that slide....

You want to talk about issues?
I posted a freaking boatload of issues.

Where do you want to start? Nuclear Secrets sold? Elections Rigged Electronically? Constitution destroyed, and made symbolic only? Where? Where? Where do you want to start talking about real issues?

Peace

COMMENT #121 [Permalink]
... ken said on 9/9/2008 @ 8:46 am PT...

Nunuy you sure are clever - instead of any serious rebuttal to issues such as energy, immigration, healthcare, etc. - all you can say is they are lunactics

Calling Crap, Crap again.

Hit F3, type in "they are lunactics" (without the quotes)

I rest my case.

If this blog was mine it would be iptables -I INPUT -s xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -j DROP

But you carry on, it's entertainment for me at this point.

Just a day ago I was apologizing for being wrong. Yet I shot so many holes in you and Robert's psyop crap and still you don't apologize.

On a bad day, you might just get lucky enough to trip me up into your trap, and get myself banned from Bradblog. But today, isn't a bad day.

Peace

nuclear secrests - Clinton allowed Bhinese to have our design for ICBM

Election - how was it rigged and if so in whose favor

Constitution - what liberties have you lost, I have not been affected

in terms of the quote you used, I am referring to the general lack of interest in issues and responses that include no substance and profanity

lets see what you come up - maybe I will let that "slide"

lunatics, politics

more issues for Phil

Universal healthcare - would you like to wait for months/years (like in canada) for decent care

Language - we need to get a hold of our culture - read the history of the Roman empire and too much of a good thing - english is our language

Iraq - we need oil for our economy, should we not protect our interests against Iran?

Definition:

Lunatics - Crazy Blood Suckers
Politics - Many Fucking Blood Suckers

(dang, almost forgot to close tags)

phil

agree with you on oliticians, but what about those issues? oh well just playground taunting

maybe if I said Mcsame over & over again it will stick? or compare his service to Kerry (what a joke)

COMMENT #128 [Permalink]
... ken said on 9/9/2008 @ 10:14 am PT...

more issues for Phil

Universal healthcare - would you like to wait for months/years (like in canada) for decent care

Language - we need to get a hold of our culture - read the history of the Roman empire and too much of a good thing - english is our language

Iraq - we need oil for our economy, should we not protect our interests against Iran?

I haven't had any "health care" since 1985. Why would I care if it took a few more years?

Oil, do we really need oil? Or do we need to get rid of the mentality that we need it. hydrogen is much cleaner, albeit your next argument is that we can't produce it. Yet you haven't studied hydrogen on demand, at least not officially. Dont like hydrogen? How about Diesel Engines running cooking oil waste?

how about cutting the RED TAPE on engines that run so clean that there are (for all practical purposes) no emissions?

Let's not forget, back in 2004 I personally wrote Michael Savage and asked him about electronic voting machines. Back in the day, I didn't describe it as "electronic vote tabulation devices" to be more specific, yet, then and still now, he will not respond.

Will not respond. For someone that founded the "Paul Revere Society (PRS)" Shall we continue? Oh and excuse me it's Borders, Language, Culture... Not Language, Culture or whatever the fuck I said.

agree 100% about other energy sources - nuclear fusion is the way to go - can have hydrogen plants for fuel; however, until that technology is feasible we need to protect our interestes.

no healthcare in over 20 years? did you ever work?

as for culture, do you want to hear the call to prayer 6 times daily (they broadcast it over loud speakers - I lived in Dubia in the 80s)

want to learn spanish, maybe even phase out english?

Hurry up before the thread get's buried and closed.

COMMENT #135 [Permalink]
... ken said on 9/9/2008 @ 10:50 am PT...

agree 100% about other energy sources - nuclear fusion is the way to go - can have hydrogen plants for fuel; however, until that technology is feasible we need to protect our interestes.

no healthcare in over 20 years? did you ever work?

as for culture, do you want to hear the call to prayer 6 times daily (they broadcast it over loud speakers - I lived in Dubia in the 80s)

want to learn spanish, maybe even phase out english?

What to do with the nuclear waste? Shove it down Yucca's throat? Humans have barely been walking this earth in years compared to the time that stuff stays dangerous, government plans for ANYTHING haven't been that long.

Prayer is good. I have always had great things happen from it, and I don't consider myself some kind of messiah or some such crap. You don't like the prayer, then that's why the USA was created, freedom of religion is absolutely guaranteed here. Well, until recently. Like in the last eight fucking years.

And yeah I can do 31+ languages. Not counting programming languages. Although I am not fluent. And I am a shitty programmer cause I never had the full time to Knock it down.

Electronics is my game. Want to talk about electronic signals?

http://finance.yahoo.com/marketupdate/overview?u

http://market-ticker.den...008-09-09-TOS_CHARTS.png Did you want to talk about the economy?

Let's Rock1

er.. Let's Rock! even.

Silence?! Have I finally shut them all up?

It's really almost amazing how fucking much shit I pay attention to. It really does make my show suffer, creativity wise, we so don't live in a land of seeking happiness. I am amazed at how much shit I pay attention to, and yet I still at the very fucking end of the month produce a show.

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WHAT?? You wanted LOGICAL!!!

actually I got that crap to compile...

Where'd you go man? Another handle / blog?

nuclear power (fission) is clean, and if we get fusion its all good!

once again universal healthcare will be a nightmare!

Maybe you could help me fix my peavey nitro?

nuclear power (fission) is clean, and if we get fusion its all good!

Three Mile Island - we dodged a bullet on that one.

Three Mile Island From the perspective of the Smithsonian

Chernobyl - radiation spread map - also much much more at that website.

Chernobyl - view the photos of clean nuclear fission.

Radiation poisoning

Ongoing aid for the children of Chernobyl

List of nuclear accidents

Hey if you could get that fission to be eaten up by a black hole it would be clean too! But it won't help humans very much except for them to be "spiritually accelerated." On the other hand maybe there is a way to clean up nuclear waste, without destroying life? I don't know that answer, and perhaps you don't either. I love the Tesla weird science magazines. They are the bomb. Just wish what they say could be reality.. Meanwile I'm working on my nitro.

Interestingly and entertainly, Brad’s rant about the George Mason media bias research showing television network news as bias against Obama reflects a very narrow time period (six weeks) and an extremely narrow sample size (only network news).

More hilarious and discrediting to Brad is the following research from the same research team that shows that Fox news is the most balanced reported service and that Obama was unquestionably afforded the most positive coverage during the primaries.

http://cmpa.com/Studies/...12_21_Election_Study.pdf

No wonder Hillary supporters are overwhelmingly moving to the McCain/Palin ticket.

Furthermore, while I cited comprehensive empirical research from the entire spectrum of media, brad predictably finds his support among the narrowest of samples and time periods.

More to come.

Thanks for the source Brad!!!

Next time read it in its entirety.

While Brad attacked the research from UCLA, he has remained silent in regard to the other myriad sources I cited above:

Note that I always cite numerous, objective, and varied sources to support my arguments while brad cites his blog (voices in his head) and other fringe left wing sources (Media matters for example)

I cited Ipsos, Gallup, Harvard, UCLA, Rasmussan, Pew, NYTimes, CNN, et al and brad predictably focuses his rebuttal on one source.

I challenged him to rationalize the parallel between the overwhelming majority of pollsters that are successful in predicting elections on the national level --- and brad predictably posts his usual extreme fringe blog or conspiracy website with contextually false and misleading bias.

I also cited opinion polls of Americans views on major issues that are all counter to brad's extreme views to illustrate the extreme nature of his thinking relative to mainstream America and he has yet to respond with anything but inane retorts.

more to come.

http://lawprofessors.typ.../09/former_pollster.html

Robert's unbiased source:

Center for Media and Public Affairs

Foundation funding

Media Transparency documents that between 1986 and 2005 CMPA received 55 grants totaling $2,960,916 (unadjusted for inflation).[6] The data reveals that the overwhelming proportion of CMPA's funding comes from conservative foundations.
...........
Thus, out of the total of $2,960,916 in foundation grants, nearly all of it ($2,668,916) came from just four sources: the John M. Olin, Scaife, and Smith Richardson foundations. In other words, CMPA received 86% of its foundation funding from those four donors. Here is a sample of other right-wing causes funded by these 3 donors, as listed by their respective SourceWatch articles:

* John M. Olin Foundation - American Enterprise Institute, Project for the New American Century
* Scaife Foundations - American Enterprise Institute, Heritage Foundation
* Smith Richardson Foundation - American Enterprise Institute, Hudson Institute

Fair and balanced indeed:

George Mason University - Parent of CMPA

It became a "magnet for right-wing money" [1] during the 1990s. From 1992 through 1994, 12 right-wing foundations invested a combined total of $8.55 million in various academic programs and institutes of George Mason University. It was this funding that help establish (and continues to support) the University's unrivaled set of right-wing "study centers", which aim to recruit and support young, free-market-oriented students - typically through paid-for "study trips", seminars, and placements.

The Mercatus Center is currently the main focus of right-wing funding. Between 1999 and 2001, the Mercatus Center was the third largest recipient of conservative foundation money (a position previously held by the Institute of Humane Studies)

As you claimed it is the same source Brad used. But then that flies in the face of your claim Brad uses only liberal sources doesn't it?

With respect to brad's praying at the altar of media matters misinformation and bias note the following regarding media matters sophomoric and unscientific "research" regarding the ideological bent of SUNDAY morning talk show guests!!!!

hilariously, i cited serious objective academic research across the entire spectrum of media and brad cites his lynchpin of media bias on three networks on sunday morning.

you have to admit if nothing else brad is entertaining.

First, during the clinton admin predictably more progressives appeared on tv --- in contrast during the bush admin more conservatives. duh brad --- didnt see that coming did you?

Second, the study's size and scope was pitifully narrow. for example john mccain's numerous appearances on sunday significantly jaded the studies results. Hilariously this study may be more important in identifying which pols in washington are night persons and morning persons.

Third, the study just cited appearances by progressives or conservatives yet it did not identify whether these appearances were adversarial or informational. we all should know that many of these appearances are adversarial. for example, confrontation sells advertising.

Lastly, brad i feel sorry for you. i cite comprehensive studies from NYTimes, Pew, UCLA, HArvard and poll data acquired after millions in research by Ipsos, CNN, Gallup, Rasmussen et al --- and the best you can counter with is

sunday morning talk show guests on four networks.

keep drinking the kool aid buddy.

And I eagerly await the entertaining juvenile and vicious ad hominen attacks void of fact, logic and empiricism.

stay focused bluebear2.

your embarrassing yourself.

brad was the first one to cite george mason and center for media and public affairs.

I never did.

hilariously i used is source to debunk his assertion.

Note that brad cited GMU's (extremely narrow study in size and scope) to support his nonsense of conservative bias in the media --- and I turned it around on him by using another study by the same research group that debunked his claim.

keep up bluebear2 or get off the track.

bluebear2 CITE YOUR SOURCE!!

nothing like sneaking in a little fringe leftwing inspired conspiracy theory without citing your source.

btw, GMU is not conservative or right wing --- it is libertarian at best more accurately it is left leaning libertarian on social issues and right leaning libertarian on economic issues.

furthermore, everything is to the right of you, brad, randi, and the rest of the kool aid drinkers that listen to this show.

http://whatreallyhappene...do-you-trust-media-polls

http://www.freepress.org...nts/display/19/2008/3201

http://whatreallyhappene...do-you-trust-media-polls

Impressive agent, you cite a random internet poll on an extreme leftwing conspiracy theory website to support your supposed assertion that Gallup, Ipsos, CNN, USA today, Rasmussen, et al are inaccurate.

keep drinking the kool aid buddy.

nothing if not entertaining, thats why I'm here.

http://www.freepress.org...nts/display/19/2008/3201

another fringe progressive site. Impressive agent.

keep drinking the kool aid buddy.

starting to see a pattern here folks?

the fringe that listen to randi, brad, et al are rendered incapable of objective, rational, and independent thought by the extreme content on these fringe blogs and website that they are mesmerized by

note that the adherents to these cites are beguiled by the minutia, anecdotal and circumstantial evidence typical of paranoid conspiracy theorists while they disregard the preponderance of physical evidence and logic that debunks their warped interpretation of reality.

For example, randi, brad, and virtually every listener to this show probably believes 9/11 was an inside job.

it is a study in paranoid delusion:

1. Persecutory paranoia or (foxnewsophobia)- This is the most prevalent type of paranoia, and in this patient makes himself believe that all those around him are his enemies (Neocons --- MSM --- Foxnews), bent on harming him or even taking his life. In this delusion people of an aggressive temperament often turns dangerous killers.

2. Delusion of Grandeur - In this patient believes himself to be, a great individual, and according to Bleuler, this delusion of grandeur accompanies a persecutory delusion.

3. Reformatory paranoia - In this the patient turns to considering himself a great reformer (Brad). He accordingly looks upon all those around him. As suffering from dangerous disease, and believes that he is their reformer and curator.

4. Litigious paranoia - In this kind the patient takes to feeling meaningless cases against other people and feels that people are linked together to bother him. Sometimes he, even tries to murder.

5. Hypochondrical paranoia - In this kind the patients believes that he is suffering from all kind of ridiculous diseases (Randi's bizarre wandering of late), and also that some other people are to blame for his suffering.

don't forget this one

http://lawprofessors.typ...6/09/former_pollster.htm

Iraq - we need oil for our economy, should we not protect our interests against Iran?

Ken are you seriously saying America owns Iraqi oil ?
Is that because you invaded Iraq ,so now America owns its resources ?

I'm closing this tread because it is too hard for people with slower connections to participate.