It is rhetoric from people like Bill O'Reilly that has caused the death of this man. No matter which side of the argument you are on. This doctor performed legal surgeries. Bill O' Reilly is a scumbag, and should be held accountable for his violent rhetoric.

O'reilly is such a hypocrit, he reports the news but he reports the news for FOX, when will people realize the the FOX news is not fair and balanced, its strictly for republicans anything that Obama do thats good, FOX news and their commentators will find something wrong with it. O'Reilly, Hannity, & Beck are all old white men who think that the world should be based on their beliefs but in reality the world is would be better off if they was off the air!

...and I quote..."Anyone who will stab babies in the back of the head for a living is not a "wonderful" man, Christian, doctor or father no matter what his friends, family or Planned Parenthood say."

Whoa, total word twisting going on-maybe o'reilly didn't come out swinging to show a little respect for a murdered man-how ever much he disagreed with WHAT the man did. Call a spade a spade-what dr tiller did indeed do was kill babies in a quite barbaric fashion-for anyone who has children, u know that at 24 weeks, a fetus is considered viable. Any hospital will use extraordinary measures to preserve a baby's life. This doctor did indeed kill babies. Did he deserve to be murdered? No. Did bill o'reilly calling dr tiller "the baby killer" cause an extremist to pick up a gun, walk into a church and shoot someone? Use ur common sense...of course not. For olbermann and maddow to get all nuts about it and rant about bill o'reilly taking responsibility is just ridiculous.

OReilly did not backpeddle one bit. Everything he has said all along is a fact. You idiots feel sorry for a man (socalled doctor) who got rich killing 60,000 babies, but you don't give a whit about those 60,000 innocent babies!

If there is actually such a thing as "evil," O'Reilly is it. Stupidity is one thing; but to be gifted with an ability to convince people and then use it only to play games is something different and far worse. O'Reilly probably believes exactly what his instincts tell him will get him the most money. He probably thinks he is "clever." He should go to jail over this murder but, no, I don't expect he'll suffer one moment's harm or a single second thought.

It's staggering to think that you people think waterboarding a terrorist who would blow this nation up in a heartbeat is torture, but stabbing a unborn baby in the back of the head with scissors and then suctioning its brains out before you pull it out of it's mother's womb is a woman's CHOICE! I would like to give you a CHOICE of being water boarded or suffering the fate of a late term aborted baby. Which would you prefer? You have some very perverted "ideals."

Greyes @ 5 said:

OReilly did not backpeddle one bit. Everything he has said all along is a fact.

Really? Did I miss his references to Tiller as a "murderer" tonight? By the way, murder is illegal. Tonight, O'Reilly admitted that Tiller broke no Kansas laws. Did they make murder legal in Kansas and I just missed it?

Poor Bill-O. He doesn't have the courage of his convictions.

Then again, I'm still waiting for Hannity to lie back on a board with a rag on his face. I heard there was a lottery in Cali to be the water-pourer, making billions for the state treasury. Schwarzenegger's idea, for reals.

inciting hatred towards others, bill o's m.o.....makes him just as guilty of condoning those who committed the heinous act in their lords name.

I can't wait for the subpeona to force bill o'lielly to appear to face federal indictment charges for promoting hate crimes.

Didn't Oberman and Maddow see how obviously they were attempting to influence hatred towards O'Reilly? What will their response be if someone offs Bill?

O'Reilly was catering to his audience and pulling in viewers as is his job. If anyone is really guilty (besides the murderer and our society's lack-o-dazeicle firearm control) It would be the Kansas legal system for giving Tiller the blind eye he paid dearly for.

No back peddling that I saw.
O'Reilly reported correctly that they guy was breaking the law, but was greasing the political machine in KS.

Good bye and good riddance

Bill O'Reilly is not the slightest bit responsible for this killing, and you know it. There is one and only one person to blame for this crime, and that is the shooter.

By the way, if I use your "logic", I can thus proclaim that Code Pink, World Can't Wait, Medea Benjamin and a host of other yahoos are responsible for some anti-military nut killing some people outside a Little Rock recruiting center today.

not likely, liberals don't incite or condone violence to achieve their ends, unlike neocon christo-fascists. Obviously the little rock incident was a right wingers response to the horrific impact the church murder was going to have, just like the woman who carved a B on her own face, and then lied about it.

Jay @ 11 said:

Didn't Oberman and Maddow see how obviously they were attempting to influence hatred towards O'Reilly? What will their response be if someone offs Bill?

Have they accused O'Reilly of being a murderer, executing thousands, breaking the law, and carrying out a slaughter? Yes, if they demonized O'Reilly in that way, and someone took action on it, they too would need to be held accountable.

But they haven't. On the other hand, O'Reilly did.

Damail @ 13 said:

Bill O'Reilly is not the slightest bit responsible for this killing, and you know it.

Did I say Bill O'Reilly was responsible for the killing? Feel free to show me where.

In the meantime, I was on the radio in San Francisco tonight explaining that O'Reilly was not "responsible" for the killing, only for helping to incite the sort of hatred that encourages such acts of terror by the type who would kill Tiller and/or then come out and applaud the murder, as so many of you wingnuts have so far done --- on this site, and so many others.

It seems we now have an American Taliban in this country, and their terrorism works.

Be sure to check out the Rachel Maddow video I just added above, featuring one of the founders of the anti-choice rightwing, who exposes how folks like you have been purposely manipulated by these cons, and how sorry he is to have ever taken part in the terror scam.

Hello!?

DENY THEIR FREAKING LICENSE RENEWAL!
DENY THEIR FREAKING LICENSE RENEWAL!
DENY THEIR FREAKING LICENSE RENEWAL!

Do cable stations have to get a license, Phil? Isn't that only terrestrial (air) TV and radio?

BTW, either way, cable, just as with air stations, live off the government dole (air stations by the free licenses their granted to use our public airwaves, cable by the subsidies and dispensations they get to run their monopoly), and so I agree they should have to take responsibility for what they do. But just don't know if cable content providers (channels) have to get licenses to broadcast at all.

Over the air frequency allocations, station licenses.
Yes yes.
Change the law. Current Law is flawed.
Public Files are the answer!
My FOCUS is public spectrum.

"The free licenses they are granted to use our public airwaves" --- CAN BE DENIED.

Perhaps I am in the strange situation since I grew up two blocks away from FOX 40 on Fruitridge Road. So when I say FOX, that's what I mean, over the air, receive via rabbit ears. (now rabbit ears + converter box)

You wanna be a shock jock, or XXX rated channel, hard core music like me? Cable, or public access is your entry point.

However with that said, Cables, cross our roads, under our streets, have ease ways. There may be an angle there as well. I don't know about that.

I am concerned with transmitters, satellites, public spectrum and regulation--the ENGINEERS need to be running the show not big money, and NOT big government.

Brad asked
"Do cable stations have to get a license, Phil?"

I am on public access which is based off of COMCAST. (PEG) Programming, _P_ublic _E_ducational and _G_overnmental programming.

They DO have to have a license. And although you can complain, I don't think they have to have a public file like a station using spectrum does. But anybody acting in a responsible way running such a station would obviously be documenting everything, complaints or complements.

It's all common sense. Something I think our country has completely lost because of our crappy leadership and greed.

I know WHY your asking.. e.g. kill off the worst of the worst e.g. FOX, however I would have to say their 1st amendment trumps our hatred. On the other hand when FOX LOCAL runs FOX NETWORK and lies and propaganda spew through, the public has all the right to shut their fruitridge road station down. (Using FOX for an example)

Howard Stern should be allowed on cable, just like religious programming is. Just like MY show is. Just like FOX is. But the LOCAL stations they get away with bloody murder in my opinion. My #1 Pet Peeve is electronic voting machine coverage, I have watched year after bloody year as they don't investigate shit, completely ignore the PHYSICS OF ELECTRONICS and run pure propaganda or a short 30 second piece of crap nonsense, when the rest of their hour is OJ, Brittney, or Sports. What do you think the people watching remember? Oh no wonder when you ask someone on the street what an electronic vote tabulation device is they look like your trying to rob them!

As far as radio goes, I don't know much. There's AM, there's FM, there HAM, CB, low power FM, wireless nets, gps, etc, etc.

Alternatively, if we can not get the FCC to clean this shit up, then there needs to be a new public over the air station (paid for BY the fcc) which is allowed to COUNTER ALL ASPECTS of corporate media.

It's my opinion and I am sticking to it

Now how about Public Files?

How about Restoring the US Constitution?

How about Restoring the right to vote? (by letting us PHYSICALLY SEE the votes?)

Okay, fuck America, I am just a fucking 2AM rant..

On with your CHAOS MURDER AND LIES...

And theft.

How many out that run their own website? Put their real name up?

NOT MANY.

Phil said,

F*** this, F*** that, and F*** everything else.

So, what is it? An inadequate vocabulary or just sexual frustration.

I think this guy is just full of crap. You all talk about shit that you don't even begin to understand. The reason all this crap is going on is because we as being the american people are greedy and sin infested crud. No wonder everything that we stood for as american people is in the crapper. The bible says that thou shalt not kill! And if you read it???? It doesnt say what its wrong to kill. Its wrong to terminate a life, but god will be the one that does the judging. Judge not lest ye be judged.

Too Little Too late on O'Reilly. The man is a Yellow Journalistic Menace. In fact, I hesitate to include Journalism in this sentence because it has O'Reilly's name in it.

Dr Tiller helped women who were in terrible straights. When you can get pregnant, and you learn what can go wrong, the pregnancies this Doctor dealt with, are the stuff of nightmares for pregnant women. And he had the compassion and the courage to help them through these difficult times, when they had to make what is probably the toughest decision of their lives. I have yet to meet any little girl who says: "Golly Gee, I Can't wait til I can Menstruate, so I can get knocked up and have an abortion Mommy!"

Abortion is not the first choice for most women. And truthfully in the end, it doesn't matter. Women are either Free. Or. They are subject to special rules and punishments that rest on their unique reproductive capabilities.

No one could stop women seeking this Dr Tiller out for his services. And they were legal services that were needed. Targeting pregnant women would be Bad Public Relations. So they targeted the Doctor and his staff for the last 20 or so years. And when they couldnt shut him down professionally, they had him killed. The Anti-Choicers put a hit out on him, just like they have other Doctors and Nurses who support a woman's right to choose.

The entire movement is guilty of Domestic Terrorism. If not directly, then certainly culpable for inciting violence and hatecrimes, Stalking, and terroristic acts such as sniper shootings, bombs, anthrax mailings, and other acts meant to intimidate and cause fear through threats of violence.

Its time that Christian Supremacists stop getting special rights. They are subject to the law just like everyone else. Not some Tribal Biblical Law, but THE LAW, on our books, that runs our courts. They do not have the right to force their religious beliefs on other American Citizens under threat of death or maiming.

Does this make O'Reilly the first American Jihadist?

A comment by Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue, underscores why anti-abortion fanatics don't have a clue:

Pro-life leaders and the pro-life movement are not responsible for George Tiller’s death. George Tiller was a mass murderer and, horrifically, he reaped what he sewed.

Dr. Tiller was not "a murderer" or a "baby killer"--not in the eyes of the law which does not regard an unborn fetus as a "baby." As Keith Olbermann observed last night on "Countdown":

Two months ago, Dr. Tiller acquitted on charges he performed illegal late term abortions. In 2003 Kansas law permitted late term abortions when two independent doctors agree a pregnant woman would be irreparably harmed by giving birth --- abortion in this country legal for the past 36 years.

While O'Reilly cannot be prosecuted for his remarks, his repeated efforts to dehumanize Dr. Tiller by falsely accusing him of the crime of "baby killing" (which, if performed after a live birth and premeditated would have subjected the perpetrator to a first degree murder charge)is a vicious libel.

It is disingenuous for Terry & O'Reilly to now try and distance themselves from an act of domestic terrorism their despicable slanders encouraged --- the same type of hate speech that brought out wing-nuts shouting "kill him" (with reference to our President) at Sara Palin rallies.

You can't play judge and jury in falsely convicting someone of a crime, then deny responsibility when a wing-nut vigilante carries out the sentence. You can't light a fuse and then claim you are blameless when the bomb goes off.

Finally, if one wants to get beyond the process dehumanized caricature created by the likes of the Faux News Network, I would strongly urge watching Democracy Now's excellent tribute in which you can hear the man, himself, describe his work.

As observed by his colleague, Dr. Shelly Sella, now afraid to appear on camera:

He was an exceptional man, an exceptional caregiver. He trusted women. He had faith in women. And that came through in his work and in his life and the way that he treated patients and the way that he treated everyone who worked with him. And that’s really what drew me to work with him: his philosophy and his approach to women’s healthcare.

Ernest A. Canning
Attorney at Law

DCS said on 6/2/2009 @ 2:30 am PT...

So, what is it? An inadequate vocabulary or just sexual frustration.

So who cares, what have you been doing working on your incomplete sentences? or is it your psychological operation skills?

Obviously you've made your choice of who is right and who is wrong, you want to live in the gutter, your going to wake up smelling like sewage.

It's the removal of public oversight in elections because of electronic vote tabulation devices, dirty tricks. Watching the results of this infiltrate and corrupt our elections, watch as the this same corruption slowly transforms America from a constitutional republic, to the lawless state we have now. All in a few short years.

unvalidatable electronic vote tabulation devices
false flags
broken oaths of office
spying
fascist media
abuse of state secrets to hide crime
the looting of our monetary system
propaganda
torture
murder

What's not to scream "fuck" about? Or do you enjoy pretending to live under a rock? Maybe you'd rather target folks who are trying to make a difference while ignoring facts? Or maybe you just pray we remain ignorant and keep supporting the same failed (D) vs. (R) arguments while everything goes to shit?

It's much easier to attack me, than to clean up the corruption in government, or get the propaganda off our airwaves. It's easier to start a flame war, than to actually try to solve anything.

Or perhaps your masters only allow you to stir the pot with anonymous two liners?

I'm sure if you sleep for only a few more hours, you ought to be able to spin where I said,

"Okay, fuck America, I am just a fucking 2AM rant.."

to where I somehow hate America. Or want to rape Americans. I admit that was a poor choice of words, leaving myself completely open to thought nazi's.

If I wasn't tired, I might have said,
"Okay, fuck people, ..."

But then you would probably argue I was trying to "fuck people."

And you still wouldn't allow the intent of what I meant.

I mean hell you've had your morning coffee already, right? Get busy, mangle what I said, I'm sure by the end of the day you can remix it and have me rendered, interrogated, tortured and hung.

One more for the fema camp, one less honorable veteran to deal with. Who hates America now? Is it the one screaming fuck this and fuck that or is it the anonymous two liner?

I'm sure America can see who quite clearly now. When folks like you are threatened by a 2AM rant from folks like me. yeah 2 am and it's already 8:30 am ... tick tock.

I might have ruined this thread, but I didn't ruin America.

"Back-paddle"? "Back-peddle"?
What happened to proper English?
The correct expression is "to back-pedal", as in "to retard the forward motion by pressing backward on the pedal, esp. of a bicycle with coaster brakes" (Dictionary.com).

Please, let's try to be as careful with language as we are with facts.

{Ed Note: Typo fixed. Thanks! - BF}

"Back-peddle" vs. "Back-paddle"

Whoosh, thank god you weren't talking about me. The fine article at the top of the page.
heh heh heh heh

I was sitting there, going, oh man what typo did I screw up again this time?

i saw schaeffer on rachel last night and was very impressed with his honesty,it takes a big person to admit when they are wrong and especially to admit it on national tv

imagine if all these right to life peops spent their time and energy trying to help young women obtain the birth control to plan their families and/or services they need to raise the children they have rather than concentrating on forcing woman to bare children they either don't want or can't deliver for medical reasons..it would be a different world

phil,
i don't think your idea would work because the neo cons have already developed a network of "commentors" that would flood any stations file that didnt follow the "talking points"

when spector spoke on habeus corpus on c span(over a year ago now) my tv went fuzzy,on c span no less,2 senators were blacked out on cspan during the telecom debate,just a week or 2 ago keith o was fuzzed out during his rant about torture,my point is,is there any exsisting law on the books about censorship? is there any way we could use it to help get the real news out to peops? i don't even know who does the censoring altho i would guess it is comcast my local cable provider(the first thing comacst did when they took over this area was move cspan 3 to the highest costing package)

Olbermann is an idiot, what isn't true what OReilly said? Hello!!! He kills innocent lives, shhh, let's not say anything bad!!! People that support him will also be judged one day.....OReilly did nothing. Tiller is the one who decided to end babies' lives. It is amazing this country allows this.

I am not sad that Tiller the Killer is dead. I only wish he would be spending his pathetic life behind bars. He would have been found guilty if he had lived. This guy terminatd 60,000 fetuses over his 35 year 'career'. He is a criminal. I feel sorry for his family and the babies he killed (late-term abortions). He made 1 million dollars a year. Why do people think that late-term abortions is not a criminal and inhumane act? Babies can survive when they're premature. He killed them and he must answer for his crimes. Like I said earlier, I only wish he was behind bars instead of getting the easy way out. The nut who killed him was wrong and he will and should be locked up forever.

"...the Little Rock incident was a right-winger's response..."

Prove it. Offer up evidence of that right now. Otherwise, you will be ridiculed into internet vapor.

karen from illinois

cspan fuzz'd up on the "free" online feed as well.

Several of us remember, and discussed it who all watched the same thing occur. I can't find the discussion, but I do remember it.

Actually electronics are being used against us right now in many ways. Jamming being one. Voting being another. Banks.. Just about any possible way you can think of that electronics can be abused they are. I highly suggest listening to Alex Jones for the next few days as he is beginning right now to cover this topic.

"my tv went fuzzy,on c span no less"
"is there any exsisting law on the books about censorship"

Basically it's called jamming the signal.
a little history
It's actually an electronic countermeasure. And it's pretty common.
Yeah the FCC has laws for it.

However such laws may be trumped by top down orders from the military or other officials. In other words they'll look the other way when it's information warfare, Broadcasters can claim they had a technical problem, which can be used for plausible deniability, which is then fed to the public.

I still believe a Public File would be better than what we have today. Which is basically nothing but a bunch of arguing and blogging with no legal teeth to bite back. The thing with a Public File is it can bite. The hard part is to figuring out how to jam it down the FCC's (an appointed position) throat. There's really only two Senators I know who might do the right thing, and neither one is my Senator.

By the way I also disagree, about groups flooding their public file, since they can actually do that now if they wanted to, but they may have to make an appointment to "inspect" the public file.

Abortion is a difficult issue. I believe most of us - regardless of which side we are on - are uncomfortable with the so called Chinese abortion. Which was brought on by the Chinese law allowing only one child per family. It involves the drowning or suffocating of the child shortly after birth if they are not of the desired gender.

I have long held that the regular tizzies pitched on the "left" about this loser have contributed at least by half to his popularity on the right. I approve of Olbermann's determination to quit making light of him, but I think it would be even better to stop talking about him altogether. His ratings would tank soon enough.

Harold @ 32 asked:

Olbermann is an idiot, what isn't true what OReilly said?

While you may not care for the Rule of Law, we have one, and I'd think folks who call themselves "conservative" would have more respect for it.

"Murder" is defined by law. In 35 years of practice in KS, Tiller was never found guilty of "murder". He was acquited, as recently as two months ago no other charges as well.

O'Reilly accused him of murder and execution, and of protecting child rapists. All of which would be illegal. Tiller was not charged, nor found guilty of any such thing. That (among so much else on a daily, documented basis) is what O'Reilly said that was not true.

As a self-proclaimed "journalist", he should know better (and, I suspect he does, but doesn't care.)

DebInSoCal @ 33 incorrectly charged:

He would have been found guilty if he had lived.

When? He was not found guilty of anything in 35 years of his practice.

He is a criminal.

Wrong again. Unless you feel you get to make up your mind about what laws should and shouldn't be. That may work for the Taliban. But in this country, we go by the Rule of Law. Or at least we used to.

Don't like it? Move to Afghanistan where you'll find many folks who agree with you.

I must be the only post-abortion woman that is posting a comment, or is it that on one elses was published?

Let me tell you from personal expierence that abortion is WRONG. It not only is murdering of an unborn child, but the physical, emotional, and mental damage that is done to a woman is not being told by anyone in the abortion industry. Telling a woman that it is a simple procedure is an out and out lie.
And yes it is an industry, because it is a money maker, and the abortionist can be any kind of a doctor, who is paid in cash, therefore does not pay any taxes, and the clinics are not regulated by the board of health. So much for George Tiller respecting women.

Any one who choses to take a life, is violating Gods law, regardless if it is legal in any state. And anyone who puts any law above Gods law is making themselves god, because they are making the decision of who has the right to live and die. When they are not the one who created the life.

And we wonder why the United States is on its was to destruction. This country has come down to a moral free-for-all, and anyone who holds fast to the foundations of our fore fathers is considered an extreme right winger and/or terrorist.

I beg to differ. We "hold fast to the foundations of our forefathers" here. We're pleading for the wingnuts to stop pissing all over them all the time.

And as for "post-abortion woman"... I have known many women who have had that sad duty, and to a woman they had chosen it because they knew either that they could not cope with the pregnancy, or give a baby (or another baby) a decent life. No one is ever happy to do it. Plenty later wish their circumstances had been such that they could have had the babies, but, I am very thankful to be someone who doesn't know anyone hypocritical enough to later say it was wrong to make that difficult decision in the first place. We all are doing the best we can with what we have when we sit down to make these hard choices in our lives.

phil,
thank you for your response.....i agree with most everything you said about the electronics being used against us,and that seems to be an area the neo cons control,that is why i said i didn't think it would work but i am willing to look at all options

my point about the censorship laws was if they are already on the books and we can find a provable case,why don't we hit them with that?

spector being censored was a big incident that lots of people noticed,his floor speech was also not recorded in the reg congressional record...i remeber looking at the time cause i was curious what he had said

i will answer my own question about why we don't sue "them" for the censorship ...we dont have enough lawyers..

Fetuses older than 24 weeks can sometimes survive outside the womb with extreme amounts of technology, true.

So can frozen embryos. I don't hear any accusations of fertility doctors being called "baby-killers" because some perfectly viable embryos are destroyed rather than implanted. Some perfectly viable embryos are even destroyed in the womb to give other embryos a fighting chance. The octomom didn't want any of them destroyed and yet many of us, including probably some of the "baby-killer" pot-bangers, have chastised her for her selfishness.

Fertility doctors and those who seek treatment should be called "baby-killers!"

Of course I don't mean it, but the hypocritical anti-abortion right by and large don't mean it either. The logic they use to identify fetuses as babies ought to extend to embryos as well.

All partners who engage in intercourse where the woman is using an IUD ought to, by the same twisted logic, be called baby-killers as well. An IUD prevents implantation of viable embryos.

Ignoring these facts but targeting abortion seekers and providers is just more sick hypocritical logic used by the "woman-killers."

Was Dr. Tiller's death the work of a lone, crazed gunman? Should some anti-abortion groups be classified as domestic terrorist organizations>

The fact that the mother's life is on the line, and only then, is the procedure so spoken of by the "pro-life" people. Is allowing the mother to die, pro life?

How kind is it to bring a child into a world when one cannot fairly support him/her?

The legal point in the pregnancy, where an abortion is allowed, without the mother's life in jeapordy, the question still is unanswered, what constitutes a human conscience ? Is a bumble bee? How conscience is the fetus? Is it fair to let the fetus grow into a child, when a child is required to have the right conditions to develop further into a healthy adult? How would it feel to carry the fetus into developing into a baby, and give birth to he/her and hand the child you carried to someone else, never to see them again? How would it feel to be a child and find out, your mother as you know her, is not your mother afterall, by blood, but your "siblings" are her natural children?

The bottom line is, the mother's life is viable. The fetus is still a controversey at whatever stage is considered a definite human life. The mother's body, is owned by the woman, and our uteruses should be our OWN domain to do what we think is best for ourselves and/or humanity. Often times, NOT having a child is more humane than having a child.

It's more fun for them, these Theocratts, to jump up and down and act self-righteous though. Oh, those same people,think that bombing civillian population, in countries where huge oil reserves are underground there, is a "nice" and "freedom bringing" kinda thing to do. Then, they deny the professional statisticians estimates on how many actual breathing (now not breathing) human beings get slaughtered, and its many many many children that are long since out of the womb.

I thought "back peddle" was a good play on words for what O'Reilly does

What do we call it when a human being with all its organs, limbs, a brain a beating heart and ALL ITS PAIN SENSORS is chopped into pieces by a "doctor" when the woman or fetus is in no life risk? I'll give you two choices.

A) murder B) Pro-Choice LOL LOL!!!!

This is true about any normal fetus after 40 days. I don't even hear an other side to this short of life and death cases. Please someone explain how this can be legal in a first world country. The actions of a lone gunman do not change this "doctor" into a saint. A doctor whose life work is ending viable life doesn't sound like the kind of doctor I know. Anyone who is pro-choice has obviously never seen an abortion and its aftermath. If you have and you still defend it, what does that say about you.

He SHOULD be worried!
Bill O'Reilly is getting worried!

YouPoll

Should O'Reilly & Hannity be charged with inciting violence?

Conservative radio host, popular onetime Hannity guest, charged with inciting violence
Added 5 hours ago on June 4th, 2009
Reactionary radio host and white supremacist Hal Turner was taken into custody Wednesday after remarks urging Catholics to "take up arms" against two Connecticut lawmakers and a state ethics official over legislation being considered in the state legislature regarding the church.Connecticut Capitol police got a warrant for Turner's arrest. The Hartford Courant fills in the details:Turner, who has been identified as a white supremacist and anti-Semite by several anti-racism groups, hosts an Internet radio program with an associated blog. On Tuesday, the blog included a post that promised to release the home addresses of state Rep. Michael Lawlor, state Sen. Andrew McDonald and Thomas Jones of the State Ethics Office."Mr. Turner's comments are above and beyond the threshold of free speech," Capitol Police Chief Michael J. Fallon said in an e-mail announcing the warrant. "He is inciting others through his website to commit acts of violence and has created fear and alarm. He should be held accountable for his conduct."The remarks on the blog were a reaction to the recent controversy over a bill that would have changed the way the Roman Catholic Church is governed, taking power away from church officials and turning it over to lay members. It was pulled in mid-March following an outcry from Catholics across the state and questions about its constitutionality.

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=5435

Josh (#48) writes:

Anyone who is pro-choice has obviously never seen an abortion and its aftermath. If you have and you still defend it, what does that say about you.

I have, and I am. What that says about me is that I defend a woman's right to control her own body. Period.

Lora,

I appreciate you stance, but I'm sorry it's not quite that easy. When you can post, "I support a woman's right to choose understanding full well the unimaginable suffering that will be caused to the fetus," then you have a position that is real. The problem is that you can't say that. The only reason I can think of is because you are in denial that those sliced up body parts actually felt pain like you and me. In the silence of the woom we hear no screams, so you pretend they don't exist. When you or anyone else realizes this and states it that way, then while I disagree, I respect that position.

"pro-lifer" only until birth eh?

You cannot hear them, but millions have died in Iraq at the hands of derr leader dubya and dick for a war of choice based on lies and yet you show no compassion, how unchristianlike of you.

How do you explain that?

"...the unimaginable suffering that will be caused to the fetus..."

Josh, source?

from the Journal of the American Medical Association:

Fetal Pain: A systematic multidisciplinary review of the evidence.

(emphasis mine)
"Thalamocortical fibers begin appearing between 23 to 30 weeks’ gestational age, while electroencephalography suggests the capacity for functional pain perception in preterm neonates probably does not exist before 29 or 30 weeks."

Lora,

If you are convinced beyond any doubt based on this evidence, then there is nothing really to say back to you. If you did your research well on this, you will see that it is a wide debate among researchers which directly impacts this issue. Since, there are numerous studies stating there is pain at a much earlier stage, I use this point merely as an emotional point to get at people's hearts. Beyond that, I live in a totally different world than you do. In my society children are a blessing and pregnancy, while difficult, is the process to having a child. My wife and I have two young boys. The thought of abortion in anything less than life and death or rape, even if the pregnancy is unplanned seems impossible to me. Unfortunately, you live in a world where children are a burden to the progress of women's careers. Maybe if women would understand that men work because they have to, and that money is earned and spent, but their contribution and purpose is fleeting short of that. Women have the blessing to have and raise children, a pursuit which is eternal. I'm so sorry that women wish to attain equality by leading the same meaningless lives of most men who sole purpose is to make money to pay bills. The modern feminist movement dealt a real death blow to a woman's self esteem by telling them that if you don't have a career like a man then you are fighting for equality. Where do children fit in to your life view or world picture? Look at the birth rates today in the first world countries and you'll see that they don't. The real fight here is what about the children in the society. That's what the pro-life people scream about, only to be answered back "woman's rights." So where do kids fit in? A woman has every right not to have children. If she can and chooses not to, I can almost guarantee you she will leading an emptier life. In my society there are almost no abortions, large families, virtually no teen pregnancy or drug use and a tiny divorce rate. I'm fine, and so is my community. Your society is a mess. I feel for you that a man whose life was spent killing babies is considered a hero for women. Get some inspiring heroes that encourage life and family and your society might actually survive. Good luck.

Dear Josh,

I appreciate your passion for your point of view and your society and your lifestyle.

I feel separate from the society I live in and wish not to be lumped together with it.

You've made a lot of assumptions about me that are untrue. I'll only address one: I'm sure that I cherish children as much as you do.

I supplied a solid source that has analyzed a great deal of research about fetal pain to come to the conclusion that they arrived at. I'd be more likely to give your position consideration if you did also.

I'm sorry, N. Ray, but your language just sounds too threatening, and so I'm moving you over to the spam file, so we have a record.