Good points Brad.

What in the world will we do when a Cat 4 does hit those areas?

This one "luckily" dropped to a Cat 1 before landfall.

But not all of them will do that.

Part of the attack on the weather media for "overdoing it" comes from the Marshall Institute, the mother of climate change deniers.

The wind speeds were, per NOAA's own data, well below hurricane speeds, but, but, Kurtz is full of it, because it was not the wind, but the rain that was a problem. Here in NC, we saw this same thing with Dennis then Floyd in 1999, when the wind wasn't the problem, but the massive rain dumped, totally flooding a good chunk of all of NC east of 95.

Holy crap, I just agreed with you, Brad! A conservative agreeing with a liberal. Is the world ending?

I really just wanted to thank you for helping get some real news out. I'm a former Vermonter living in the midwest. News about Vermont is something you have to dig up yourself, it's rarely on the television.

William Teach - I didn't realize you were a liberal, whatever that means. But happy you're able to concur with the obvious. Wish Howard Kurtz did.

Well, ya know, Steve K, if Vermonters really want proper coverage by the media, they can just pick up the state and move it down to Manhattan can't they?

Now if we could just put Ron Paul, Eric Cantor and Boner on an Island whose bridges, phone lines and cell towers had just been knocked out. And not a one of them have brought any water,food or clothing or have a radio and make them to just sit there while in DC they figure what to cut in order to "Rescue" them

The photo under Buckhill, MD is actually Shelburne Falls, Mass.

There were a lot of white people who needed to be rescued by the authorities. Damn stupid white people. Why didn't they evacuate when they were told? Don't they have TV and radio?

Some of them even said "They told us to get out but we had nowhere to go." Can you imagine? What is it with white people, anyway?

New England was hit hard.My entire corn field is laid down. Have been in hurricanes before..the winds with Irene were stronger than anything that I have ever seen. Just glad NY wasn't damaged the way it was predicted.So grateful that the effects weren't any worse.

Great article Brad! Still trying to cope with the 11+ inches of "hype" we got in the Adirondacks. Even with moderate winds(40 mph) the damage is still extensive--roads cut, houses flooded, even the Keene fire station washed away (after they got the equipment out thankfully). Some of the smaller rivers have hit record levels, even topping the records of last spring. Houses that had never flooded before are flooded. So glad it wasn't a "real" storm, but only news story "hype"....but why am I still soaking wet?

Some more incredible pictures coming from Wilmington Vt and the flooding of the Deerfield River. http://gatheringofthevib...showthread.php?p=1216099

so at what point is it appropriate to speculate that Kurtz isn't really an idiot but was trying to increase his odds of winning the pool on how many folks the hurricane would send to their final reward?

How ironic that Howard Kurtz would lament coverage that included advance scientific warnings, including those from Gov. Christie and Gov. Shumlin, that prevented him from covering a TX governor who thinks he knows more than climate scientists do when it comes to global climate change.

Perry's answer to the severe drought climate scientists had predicted for his own state was for people to pray for rain. He also prayed for the EPA to stop environmental regulations --- no doubt because he believes God wants us to extract coal, tar sands, and other fossil fuels.

Perhaps, if Kurtz' Sunday show could have gone forward, Perry could have explained that the flooding in VT was simply the result of his having failed to inform God where he'd like his prayer to be answered.

Meanwhile, while one cannot point to any specific storm, such as Irene, as the product of global climate change, as revealed by James Hansen in Storms of My Grandchildren:

No doubt Howard would find coverage of the unusual northern location of this "tropical" storm inconvenient "hype" that gets in the way of Perry's message of prayer.

With each of his tired bleatings, "Howie The Hack" Kurtz becomes more irrelevant. Does that guy ever leave CNN Studios or the National Press Corps building?

Perhaps what makes me angriest is the smug, self-satisfied "I got mine" grin on Howie the Hack's face. 14 people die and thinks it's all "hype," but bitching about what stupid thing Michele Bachman said is "news."

Peter Engel -

For the record, as now noted at the top of the piece: "To date, 32 are now dead in 10 states in 5th deadliest U.S. storm in more than 30 years."

The death toll was "only" at 14 when Howie decided it was all "hype".

Andy - Sorry the "hype" hit you guys so hard. Added a photo from Keene in the Adirondacks above before seeing your comment here. Sigh...

Not exactly where it is you are getting your info from, but to clarify, it is not the 5th deadliest storm in the last thirty years. It is the 14th deadliest hurricane in the last 30 years. The ranking is as follows: Katrina: 1,836; Rita: 119; Hugo: 86; Juan: 63; Floyd: 57; Ivan: 57; Isabel: 50; Frances: 48; Charley: 34; Ike: 47; Allison: 41; Fran; 37; Wilma: 35; Irene: 32.

This blog proves that it is hype. Get your facts straight before you decide to opine.

Oh, and the flooding is a result of TROPICAL STORM Irene, not Hurricane Irene.

I guess it wasn't deadly at all, Stephanie, unless you're one of the 32.

It started out as Hurricane Irene, but as with many hurricanes, it was downgraded to a "tropical storm" as wind speeds decreased as the storm hit land. But, I guess the flooding isn't "news" once you downgrade to a "tropical storm," right Stephanie?

Stephanie angrily (and misleadingly) charged @ 18:

Not exactly where it is you are getting your info from, but to clarify, it is not the 5th deadliest storm in the last thirty years. It is the 14th deadliest hurricane in the last 30 years. The ranking is as follows: Katrina: 1,836; Rita: 119; Hugo: 86; Juan: 63; Floyd: 57; Ivan: 57; Isabel: 50; Frances: 48; Charley: 34; Ike: 47; Allison: 41; Fran; 37; Wilma: 35; Irene: 32.

My numbers come from Nate Silver at the New York Times who similarly argues --- with statistics to back it up --- that Kurtz was wrong in his charge that the storm was over-hyped. At least in comparison with the reportage for all major storms in the U.S. since 1980, as he documents.

His article was written when the death toll from Irene was still at 21, so it was, at the time, tied for 10th in fatalities for U.S. storms since 1980.

Here's the New York Times chart from the article:

As the death toll from Irene has risen to 32 since Nate's story published, that makes it the 5th deadliest storm since 1980.

So, what explains your numbers versus the NYT? Dunno. But I'm guessing your fatality numbers likely included non-U.S. deaths as well. That's why I had noted, accurately, that Irene was the 5th deadliest U.S. storm. Otherwise, if the NYT got their numbers wrong (they have been known to make errors), you'll need to take up your charge of "hype" with them.

This blog proves that it is hype. Get your facts straight before you decide to opine.

Backatcha, dear.

Oh, and the flooding is a result of TROPICAL STORM Irene, not Hurricane Irene.

Thanks for the clarification. That changes everything. Then Howie was right! The "Hurricane" was just hype, but not the Tropical Storm, I guess!

Good lord.

Bill McKibben: Will Hurricane Irene Be a Wake-Up Call about Climate Change?

"We’ve had not only this extraordinary flooding, but on the same day that Hurricane was coming down, Houston set its all-time temperature record, 109 degrees," McKibben said.

Brad @ 17: I saw the photo from Keene in the article which is what actually got me to leave the comment (Thank you for including it!). Thank you for your concern. They do grow 'em hardy up here, so we'll all dig out, repair, rebuilt, and go on with life. One of the nice things about such a rural area is that the whole community pulls together whenever a disaster hits; those who haven't been affected just go and help those that have been, without being asked. Always renews my optimism about people and keeps me from sliding into too much pessimism from reading the political news....

Ouch. That was pretty much a retrospective of places held dear to me throughout my life. But I guess it never really happened since it's outside the Beltway.

And isn't it ironic that the same people who like to deny climate change are generally the same people who oppose federal government spending?

An UPDATE for Stephanie. There are now 37 deaths in 11 states blamed on Irene, making it the 4th most deadly U.S. storm since 1980.

Other than that, pure "hype". Right, Howie and Stephanie?

Brad #25,

Libya provided free education, free health care, interest free home loans, 14 cent per gallon gasoline, $50,000 to newlyweds, and ... well you get my drift.

Our invading forces will probably free those folks from that terrible oppression like House Majority Leader Cantor is going to free the devastated folk who lived through hurricane Irene from the burden of recovery (no disaster money without equal budget cuts somewhere else).

That is the way oil addicts do things.

According to the Wall Street Journal, "By late Monday, at least 40 deaths had been attributed to the storm."

Hmmm! I wonder if Kurtz and Stephanie will now accuse a Rupert Murdoch-owned paper of "hyping" the storm?

Hurricane Irene leaves flooding in U.S., Canada

Brad's data is for "direct" deaths, but Stephanie's data includes deaths "indirectly" caused by the storms. It will be some time before we know the comparable number for Irene.

Now 44 confirmed deaths in 11 states, making Irene the 3rd most deadly U.S. storm in more than 30 years.

Odd that "Stephanie" hasn't returned to defend her position, eh? No. Not odd in the least.

#26

Dredd

Thanks for putting up the stats on Libya. We should be so lucky to have that kind of dictator. Helps me to understand why Cynthia McKinney and Hugo Chavez have stood by Ghadafi. McKinney talked about NATO bombs being dropped on innocent civilians. It's enough to make me drive less and have a vehicle that gets great gas mileage.

While I previously linked to Bill McKibben's appearance on Democracy Now!, some of his remarks deserve extended quotation here.

McKibbin went on to note that if the XL pipeline goes through, it may push us into deep trouble. It will release the second largest pool of carbon on the planet. “That oil,” he said, “has to stay in the ground. It’s as important that it stay in the ground as it is that Brazil guard its rainforest.”

Molly #31,

I haven't had a vehicle for several years now, nor a cell phone at the moment.

I went cold turkey but am still in danger of a relapse.

Once an oil/cell phone addict always an oil/cell phone addict ... it is just that I am not practicing at the moment.

Molly #31,

Here is a link to substantiate those Libyan stats: Link

It also has a link to Eric Cantor's statements.

I noticed that Brad gives the source for his data. What's the source of yours Stephanie? Besides, your "corrections" do not change the validity of the points made in the post not one bit. Your post proves that you're just another clueless conservative who's posts are only hype.

Where did Kurtz get that cool toupee'?

Excellent.....Kurtz looked even dumber than usual. "Just a Category One" Some of the most catastrophic flooding has come from Just Tropical Storms. Just ask anyone who remembers what Agnes did when it meandered up the Chesapeake Bay and Susquehanna River in the 70s

Dredd brought up LibYa, here's some real news.
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