READER COMMENTS ON
"The BLOGATHON Is Coming! The BLOGATHON Is Coming"
(49 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 1:29 pm PT...
I'll make a comment. Brad will delete posts by life long Democrats who go after freepers trolls but allow said freeper trolls to continue to post.
Brad, keep following the "LIMP DICK" Democratic leadership mantra and expect more of what we have now.....absolutely nothing!
"LIMP DICK"....an apt word to be sure!
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 1:55 pm PT...
I don't understand some of your comment, WTF. Clarify please about Brad deleting posts.
Everybody! This Blogathon is going to be GRRRREAT!!! Make plans to be here for it - Brad really needs & deserves our support!
Thanks so much to Steve Viele and Winter Patriot for all your Hard Work! Also to other Bradvillians who have contributed a lot of their time, creativity, support and **more** Hard Work!
Let's join together to make this a memorable and successful event!
Now - on to the 4th :Bang!:
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 2:15 pm PT...
#2, read through the following link and see how my posts that were directed at a known freeper troll were deleted because some PC driven spaz made a comment of objection.
It's safe to say that freeper trolls like this nitwit "Jimo" are allowed to continue to post here but let one person speak up and over the top to this fascist fuck and the post becomes deleted.
I could expect bullshit like this on many of the Democratically controlled boards but to have a supposed independent blog like Brad's do this is beyond belief.
You can't beat back fascist ideology with a flower and candy response. Unfortunatley, we see now Brad is a flower and candy type of fighter.
...sad for us and sad for the future of this country but really I expect nothing less.
We are the party of "LIMP DICKS"
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 2:30 pm PT...
WTF - As I've stated many times over, personal attacks on other commenters are inappropriate and unconstructive. I can't delete *their* comments (the trolls') when they make such inappropriate attacks, unless I am willing to do the same thing when others make similar attacks against them.
Whether they deserve it, as I pointed out in the note I included when I removed your comment, is rather beside the point.
I do not see anything productive about attacking other posters here in a personal way. Their opinions? Fine. But their person is another matter. And I choose the personalal perogative to not encourage, endorse or allow (where possible) such attacks --- no matter who they are against.
As to your references to the Democratic party and "we"; I am not the Democratic party, and speak only for myself through my work on this blog.
If you'd like more information than I care to post publicly on this matter, I'll be happy to discuss it with you via Private Email.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 2:40 pm PT...
Maybe whoever moderates this blog (Brad?) prefers to avoid expletives or language that is offensive to some (fuck, dick, etc). My guess is that the problem was style rather than the sentiments you expressed.
Style is a "local" issue and opinions differ on what is weak vs. what is courteous, and what is strong & effective vs. what is rude.
Perhaps Brad could comment on style guidelines so we have an idea of what is acceptable and what is not. If a message is deleted due to reasons of style/language it would be helpful to make that clear.
Personally I find that using lots of expletives can make communication less effective, even though it is meant to show a strong emotion. Some language can make it harder for the message to get across. (Just like someone who "SHOUTS" USING ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME--it gets annoying and can create lots of resistance.)
(I was going to put in lots of fine colorful Irish verbiage in there for a demonstration--but thought better of it! )
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 2:44 pm PT...
My post to WTF overlapped with yours. Thanks for the clarification.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 2:52 pm PT...
Brad, you are a "LIMP DICK"! Screw you and your excuses.
That JIMO is a constant freeper troll who remains a constant freeper troll because you allow him to be a constant freeper troll!
Ban me now becuase I will make a point of calling that fascist cocksucker out every chance I get , no mattter how many "LIMP DICK" PC train riding, do nothing people say otherwise!
I'll say again as I've said before, you wont beat back this fascist message fighting with a flowers and candy reponse.
You aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem!
Stick a fork in us we are about done!
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 3:01 pm PT...
WTF --- come on, now. Stop bashing your own side. We all have our disagreements about the exact way to do things --- since we are individuals rather than sheep.
I agree we have to stand up for our beliefs and not be limp about it (like the Dems have been on most of the issues.) The problem is that both parties are sucking up to corporatist views. We have to stand firm against corporatism (is that a word?)
I'm distressed when our side (non-neoCon/corporatist/fascist/theocratic) begins dividing over issues that don't really mean a hoot.
If you're against the current regime --- stick together & offer constructive criticism rather than hurling rocks. Ok?
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 3:02 pm PT...
#5, I'm sure you truly feel that way. Hell, just look at the state of politics in this country.
You are part of the problem. Grow a set and fight with everything you have because what you have been using isn't working.
....get the picture?
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 3:05 pm PT...
#8, No, it's about time you and everyone else with like minded opinions start waking up!
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 3:25 pm PT...
They would much rather sit high and mighty at their computers trying to think of clever things to say. Not that this is wrong, but you are misguided in thinking that they will show the kind of spirit you are seeking. The arguments seem to be useless chatter by and large, so in a way they welcome these freepers for the amusement they provide.
There aren't two sides in this battle. There are as many sides as there are individuals. Trying to maintain group cohesion is impossible unless there is a real calamity. Then people come together automatically.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 3:28 pm PT...
JUST OUT! BBV Report on Diebold Optical Scan Systems
These are the machines that counted 25% of our votes in the last election. Check out the report by Harri Hursti here.
Also check out the recommendations at the end of this post. Let's keep the pressure on so that more investigations like this see the light of day. Make sure your local media know about the Report and the recommendations for practical next steps.
At the end of the Report is a list of all the counties who are infected--er, affected. It's up to us to take action at the local level to make sure these systems are not used in another election.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 3:28 pm PT...
JB --- some of us who really do get out & into action resent what you have just said.
You guys - get over it.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 3:33 pm PT...
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 4:35 pm PT...
I hope to have both HTML and JPEG versions of the BLOGATHON flyer up Tuesday morning. I have been unable to access my website by FTP since late last week and my ISP seems to be having troubles rectifying the problem. Sorry for the delay.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
Dr. Alan H. Levinson
said on 7/4/2005 @ 4:36 pm PT...
The Quest for the Honest Politician
I sit here in wonderment of the Republican Party. Those guys have all the luck. For 230 years, this country has been involved in a quest to find the most honest, hardworking politician…one who ‘always’ makes the right decision…one who can do no wrong. Finally we’ve found him. Our quest is complete! We’ve found the “Holy Grail”, and his name is George W. Bush; “Man of the Millennium”.
From the moment of his birth, this boy never once wet his diaper; never once required potty training, and never even farted. Every decision he made, whether as a child, an adolescent, or a man, has been the right one. Any time there were problems, it always ended up the fault of those around him…never his responsibility. Whether it was ‘second hand’ marijuana smoke, or someone just poured alcohol down his throat, he wasn’t responsible. When that damned pretzel almost choked him, I contemplated suing Bachmann.
I wish I had a life like his. I think that Democrats are just jealous of his ability to be “on target” all the time, of the fact that his decisions always turn out faultless regardless of the appearance of error. There was one odd moment in time where I thought he almost tripped, but it was probably just a loose plank on the porch of the White House.
He is so flawless, so perfect, that not one of his proponents can fathom the possibility of a mistake in judgment, an inkling of impropriety. Nixon was a close second. The only reason he wasn’t as perfect as ‘Dubya’ was because of that son-of-a-bitch traitor Mark Felt, who, like the loser he is, decided that integrity was more important than the man. “LOSER”. Maybe its just that the Democrats are pessimists...always seeing the negative side of things. I can think of so many times those imbeciles tried to demean George, make it like he was up to no good. HOW DARE THEY. “Dubya” would never, ever do anything wrong. He would never, ever abuse his power. He would never, ever try to pack the court, lie about an agenda for war, give tax breaks to the rich, cover for his peers, and steal an election (or two). He would never, ever under-fund the veterans association, never send our soldiers off to war and leave them unprotected, and never enter into deals that favor big business at the expense of the ‘little-guy’. He would never knowingly surround himself with criminals like Tom Delay of “Abramoff fame, or Karl Rove of Plame-Gate fame, or Albert Gonzales of Gitmo fame, Cheney of “last throes” fame. All of them are at fault, not our Glorious President. He picked good men…they failed him! FOOLS! The blurring of rationale for war, the Downing Street Minutes, historical connections to cartels and terrorists, business failure after business failure; these are all falsehoods perpetrated by the LEFT.
We have found the perfect man, the honest politician. Move over Mr. Smith, “Dubya” is moving in. Even people like ‘Hank’ and ‘Jimmo’ know this. They make it clear to all of us fools that we wouldn’t recognize perfection if it slapped us in the face. The way it sounds to me…Jesus has competition. I never thought I would see it in my lifetime.
To the rest of my friends on this blog-site…smarten-up. A little smelling salts might help awaken you to the truth. BUSH IS PERFECT.
I bow to those who know!
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 6:10 pm PT...
Alan do you think its to early to start the process to have George W. Bush made a "saint"?
Its surely a miracle that he's the President two terms in a row when he received less votes than both "wannabe's" (gore & kerry) who tried to run against this "holier than thou" President .
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
Dr. Alan H. Levinson
said on 7/4/2005 @ 6:43 pm PT...
Hmm. Right up there with the Pope!!
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 6:54 pm PT...
Happy 4th of July...I just want to see if this goes through.....Down with Bush...
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 7:02 pm PT...
WTF & JB,
Perhaps the two of you would benefit from reading "Purity of Heart" by Kierkegaard. Sinking to the level of your oponent shows a lack of faith in your argument. "Purity of heart is to will the good in truth." At all times, at every step.
Many conservative blogs have posters and stories regularly calling liberals "fascists" much like what is seen in many liberal blogs. It seems to be a common word to throw around these days. Everyone seems to distrust the MSM. I honestly think that there is a facist movement afoot, not a coherent movement mind you, but an intelectual convergence of concepts that have become a form of imperialism. I feel that this is the result of corporate ownership of MSM bending the truth to their interests. The "spirit you seek" will do little against the faceless corporations who will supress your dissent with a memo. Only unarguable truth with rock solid evidence will prevail, accompanied by patience.
Jimmo may be a fool, I cannot prove that you and I are not fools as well, so I would let him speak. His words expose him, as your do you. I am not exempt.
In response to #7, I think Martin Luther King would disagree with you.
One last thing, accusations of everyone doing nothing but talking really mean little on the internet. You do not know what we do, nor we you. Baseless accusations represent a lack of faith in your argument. Do not resort to them unless you have unarguable truth and rock solid evidence. Alowing someone to not have those two things are the reason we are in this war.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 7:03 pm PT...
Cool....I went through....I guess I'm pretty smart for a Democrat....Anyway, I can't wait for the BLOGATHON.
There is so much to cuss and discuss regarding the crapcans in power....We must do everything we can to get back power in the House and Senate.
Then we can start commitee hearings on so much..
Where do we start?
Chemical warfare and cluster bombs in Iraq?
Man, I could go all night.
Thanks for letting me vent.....Happy 4th
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 7:22 pm PT...
Iranian president-elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ,hostage taker ?
Question :In 1979 who arranged to have Tehran hostages kept in confinement till AFTER the US elections to help their party at the expense of the hostages and their families ?
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 7:44 pm PT...
Hope the early thread "Imbroglio" can be considered over. As a, maybe, neutral third party I'd say, "You are both right".
I know you didn't ask but I'm putting in my two cents (depreciated) because we have better things to do and we will do them better only if we can maintain a solid front line with streadfast wings.
The mission of trolls is to effect division, they do not come in to our friendly camp to learn or convert. They do not deserve a reply. The troll mind is an unfixable thing. Resist the temptation, once identified as a troll the sign should go up--- STARVE THE BEAST, DO NOT FEED!
Happy 4th to all.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 7:45 pm PT...
I have been a faithful follower of the BradBlog for the past year, and although it is somewhat amusing to read the rantings of Jimo, I have to agree with WTF and JB. Jimo should be removed from this blog. I don't agree with all the foul language they like to use, but at least they are on our side, whereas Jimo is a paid Repug, whose sole purpose seems to be agitating those who oppose the corruption of the Bush administration. I tried to post my feelings about Jimo last week, but when I pushed the submit button, my message was deleted and I was informed that I was banned from the Blog site by "Gray matter" Is that someone hacking into your web, or is that the way you block posts?
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 7:59 pm PT...
Welcome, Dolphin! Happy 4th to you too.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 8:15 pm PT...
LIBERALS!!!!!! We'll never agree on everything, but the conversations are always interesting.
WTF, don't take it personal. I've had my disagreements with Brad and others on this site. Those who I've pissed off and disagreed with know who they are.
I totally agree with Brad on this one. You can't preach fairness and not practice it yourself. It's very much the same way the ACLU will defend hate groups and others their right to assembly, even if they disagree with their positions.
In the process of telling Jimmo not to attack others while allowing others to attack him, we thus become like the right wingers we despise.
I, for one, welcome people like Jimmo who defend the rights of Gay Whitehouse prostitutes to perform their patriotic duty in the Whitehouse. Even if it was 200 times.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 7/4/2005 @ 10:31 pm PT...
Article in THIS Magazine.
Darrell Anderson was a 20-year-old father working odd jobs to support his daughter when he joined the army. For four years of service he would receive $50,000—enough to pay for college. He had been in training for a year when the US invaded Iraq, and Anderson went willingly.
But after seven months, his patriotism was dimmed by the realities of war. Anderson took a piece of shrapnel in his side and was awarded a Purple Heart. He became further disillusioned, after returning to battle, when he was given orders to fire at an unarmed Iraqi family. So when he was given leave to return home to Lexington, Kentucky, in December to spend Christmas with his family, he decided he couldn’t go back. A few days before he was to return to service, Anderson drove north, leaving behind family and friends, to seek refugee status in Canada. He awaits his hearing in Toronto, and is represented by Jeffry House, the lawyer and Vietnam War draft-dodger who represented Jeremy Hinzman, another Iraq war deserter, in March.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 7/5/2005 @ 2:31 am PT...
#24... Might be greysoft's greymatter 1.3 (open-source blogging software)!!!
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 7/5/2005 @ 2:46 am PT...
HOW TO GET THE DIEBOLD MEMORY CARDS NEAR YOU EXAMINED
(Link to original post here)
Security Alert: Critical Security Issues with the Diebold Optical Scan
It is now very important to do forensics on the memory cards used in the Nov. 2, 2004 election. The proof for why this is of critical importance is contained in the Black Box Report.
Because this system is so open to tampering, please urge your local and state officials to sequester the memory cards for recent elections, so that they can be examined by a forensic expert, or an otherwise qualified expert, like Harri Hursti, who has shown that he is both competent to evaluate this issue, and forthcoming about notifying the public.
These memory cards are clearly of public interest, and should be deemed a public document.
How to get examinations performed:
1) Familiarize yourself with the report. Get coaching from someone who does network security, and/or someone who has familiarity with embedded systems, if you like.
2) Print several copies of the report. Here is the pdf file:
3) Find the Diebold location nearest you. Note that touch-screen locations use optical scans to count absentee ballots. Note that locations with newer versions, i.e. the 1.96x version, according to indications, may have even MORE vulnerability due to increased vulnerability for remote access, and increased functionalities added into the AccuBasic program. Touch-screen systems may also share this kind of architecture, and until they are examined for it, should be considered suspect.
The list of Diebold locations is here:
4) Ask local officials for these things:
- First, to set aside, and not overwrite, the memory cards for Nov. 2004 and afterwards.
- Next, to arrange for a public examination of their system by a qualified expert to examine the system to find out if this vulnerability exists on their system. (and because all the certifiers, and the secretaries of state, missed this problem, they don't count!) When you get willingness to consider it, contact Black Box Voting for next steps. We may be able to help supply an expert for you. Contact firstname.lastname@example.org or 425-793-1030.
5. California has an obscure statute that allows citizens to request a special examination of any component of the voting system. Jim March and Bev Harris used this statute to request an examination.
If your state has a similar statute, look for it and cite it. Regardless of whether it does or does not, formally request the secretary of state to test all Diebold systems, optical scan and touch-screen, all versions, for the problem architecture in the Black Box Report.
Document your request and their response. If they choose incorrectly, as events unfold, it just may put them out of office.
When you get willingness to cooperate, contact Black Box Voting for further assistence, at the above-mentioned contact numbers.
If your area had anomalies in the election, or obstructiveness on election-related public records requests, push very hard for an examination of the memory cards.
For more actions you can take, including suggestions for how to push for a product recall, see other threads in this forum.
Thanks! Now let's go take our country back.
Black Box Voting
I would think it important that the Secretaries of State and election officials not choose the experts to investigate the cards.
Might end up back with the ITA's or someone "The Election Center" picks.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 7/5/2005 @ 2:53 am PT...
HOW TO PUSH FOR A PRODUCT RECALL OF DIEBOLD MACHINES
Original post is here
Consumer report --- Security Alert: Critical Security Issues with the Diebold Optical Scan
1200 jurisdictions in the U.S. use Diebold, and 90 jurisdictons in Canada.
Here is the list of Diebold locations:
1) The vulnerabilities described in the Black Box Report are critical, and not fixable with any software patch or minor change.
It is entirely inappropriate for taxpayers to foot the bill of corrective actions. Those costs should be born by the vendor.
Bear in mind that when Diebold acquired Global Election Systems, its investment banking partner performed, (or should have done) a due diligence analysis of this system. Diebold Inc. either knew, and sold the system anyway, or did not know, but should have known. It is therefore appropriate that Diebold should foot the bill for the product recall. Certainly not the taxpayers.
Actions to take:
1. Write letters to the editor of the newspaper in each location that has Diebold voting systems. Remember that even the touch-screen locations use optical scans to count absentee ballots. Explain the situation and demand a product recall.
2. Call decisionmakers (council members, election officials, commissioners, network security guys for the jurisdictions) and ask them if they have seen the Black Box Report. If not, get their e-mail and email them a copy and also, make a printed copy and mail it by certified mail. If they have seen it, ask them what they are going to do about it. Explain the situation and demand a product recall.
3. Bring copies of the Black Box Report to any town meeting or public forum or meeting that allows citizens to make comments. Make sure the decisionmakers have copies. Videotape their answers as you ask them what they are going to do about it. Explain the situation and demand a product recall. If you get ignorant or obstructive answers, send a copy to BBV and we'll try to put clips up.
4. Also contact the state representatives and state senators, the secretary of state, the attorney general, the state auditor, and the governor to make sure they have the report. Ask them what they are going to do about it. Explain the situation and demand a product recall.
5. Fiduciary and legal duty: There are some public officials, and some Diebold officials, who have fiduciary or legal duty to investigate problems of this nature. The trick here is to make sure (with certified mail, for example, or on videotape at public meetings) to document that they have formally received the report and were asked to take action. Explain the situation and demand a product recall.
Let them know that you have made a record of their response and will use it. The county attorney (in small counties, the county prosecutor) is one good target, since they understand the legal concept of negligence.
By putting public officials into the position of choosing between stonewalling, or failing a fiduciary or legal duty, you will force some of them to jump the fence.
All it takes is one bad local election, and whoever chose NOT to take action has breached a fiduciary or legal responsibility, and may face consequences.
Also, if the officials fail in their fiduciary or legal duty, send a copy of the report and a copy of the certified receipt, or video, to their political opponents.
Note that by forcing a product recall, all other vendors, and all other election products made by Diebold, will receive increased scrutiny.
See this forum for other actions you can take. [Election Reform Actions You Can Take Right Now]
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 7/5/2005 @ 4:23 am PT...
I've just seen something absolutely shocking and disturbing. I'm very anxious to provide my analysis to John Conyers, in fact I really wish we had the full senate investigative committee to investigate this as it warrants prompt attention.
I've read recent reports all over about H. W. Bush knowing about the John F. Kennedy assassination and even ordering to having it covered up. I've always suspected it was a CIA initiated coverup.
I've just never known about who might have done it, although John Hinckley was a suspect. Apparently Hinckley met with Bush at least several times in Dallas, so to me he seems like a smokescreen guy. I read a report which speculated how Kennedy might have been killed by the limosuine driver. But this next step is just what floors me.
The following image I captured from a live documentary of the John F. Kennedy shooting following the black sedan down a road in 1963. You can clearly see when you look that it was in fact Secret Service Agent William Greer who aimed a gun directly at Kennedy's head and shot him!
Amazingly, if you look at his eyes he is actually looking up towards the camera and his arm is back around the chair. I've included two distinct shots which show the crime, but if you blow it up in Adobe Photoshop or Paint you can see it even clearer.
This has been a coverup since day one, and since Greer is now dead I would think there would be some witnesses who know something big about this case. Like who in the world ordered Greer to do it, it was supposed to be someone in the free mason society. But with this thing and Hinckley having made an attempt earlier, I smell the elder Bush all over it. Especially given the leaked government document that just recently showed Elder Bush had a telephone conversation in Dallas regarding this.
And knew it was absolute suicide to let Kennedy go out, yet he did not a thing to stop it. My guess is there is a whole tentacle connected to these guys that we could unlock if there was access to the files. Greer fired the shot though, because the place he points the gun is nowhere near where any assassins would be. It has to absolutely be shooting right at him. I'm astonished the media has never, ever reported it. I think the truth is what the americans deserve. DSM was just the tip of the iceberg wasn't it.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 7/5/2005 @ 8:12 am PT...
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 7/5/2005 @ 8:18 am PT...
John Hinckley the father?
Or John Jr. the son?
John Jr. shot Reagan?
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
Charles R Dubord JR
said on 7/5/2005 @ 8:54 am PT...
Any one else preturbed that they are proposing to end 2 term limits to the presidency at the same time that we can't be guaranteed transparent elections? I am. Even if bush couln't run again, you could still end up with another even more evangelical neo-con who fixes himself the presidency for the next 20 years or more. Not on my watch.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
said on 7/5/2005 @ 12:42 pm PT...
If you're looking for a topic to discuss during the blogathon, you might want to think about the preparations for the upcoming DSM road shows. [ More . . . ]
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
said on 7/5/2005 @ 1:33 pm PT...
Robert Fisher asked:
"I tried to post my feelings about Jimo last week, but when I pushed the submit button, my message was deleted and I was informed that I was banned from the Blog site by "Gray matter" Is that someone hacking into your web, or is that the way you block posts?"
We don't block *any* posts, Robert. Other than a mechanism built in to block Spambots from posting advertisements for various things.
If your post (or anybody elses) ever gets blocked with such a notice, please let me know.
You certainly aren't banned.
If anybody else has any questions about who gets banned and why (and it's exceedingly rarely, if ever, done) feel free to contact me via Private Email and I can touch base with you on specific instances.
As I mentioned, I'd be happy to touch base with WTF privately, as I could probably clear up some of his concerns. But he didn't leave an Email address, so I cannot contact him.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
said on 7/5/2005 @ 2:40 pm PT...
#34 Charles DuBord,
Trackback re: Presidential 2 term limit discussion:
Check this thread
And this one (Search using Find, term = Hoyer)
I'm still curious why more Democrats voted for this bill which was introduced by Democrat Whip Steny Hoyer.
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
said on 7/5/2005 @ 3:26 pm PT...
Kira, perhaps because they are Democrat's in name only?
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 7/5/2005 @ 4:57 pm PT...
When George H. W. Bush was asked about his whereabouts on Nov. 22, 1963, supposedly his reply was, "I think I was in Houston."
He thinks? No human being then over the age of 10 that day has an doubt whatsoever about where he or she was at that moment...except for George H.W. Bush. For some reason, the reporter who questioned him never followed up to ask why he alone, among all Americans, was in doubt.
I don't think the C.I.A. would have picked a nut case like Hinckley, though. Their contacts in the Mafia were much more reliable, as they proved.
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
said on 7/5/2005 @ 9:12 pm PT...
#31: John Hinckley Jr.
I had read a story that he attempted to kill another president but it wasn't reagan. Hinckley was close to the scene of the crime, but I realized when watching the video that Hinckley was setup as another smokescreen agent like Lee Harvey Oswald.
They used Hinckley & Oswald to make it look like a staged assassination, while it was really CIA agents (Kellerman & Greer) who personally offed him.
Talk about a shocking denial in U.S history.
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
said on 7/5/2005 @ 10:03 pm PT...
Doug --re: #31
If you go to John Hinckley Jr and Ronald Reagan you can pick up on the story of the shooting of
R. Reagan then president for about 3 months, with G.W.H. Bush as V.P.
On the same day Neil Bush was to have dinner with Scott Hinckley--it was cancelled.
That's where the Brady Bill came from--he was shot in the head in the same incident.
You missed that?
Where is the info you refered to--re: Hinckley Jr. and JFK?
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
said on 7/5/2005 @ 11:55 pm PT...
Cole, there's two sources I'm getting regarding the John Hinckley stalking charges. One is Wayne Madsen who did a casefile of work on it, and another is documentary creator Lois Sprosser who covered the backstory of the Kennedy assassination along with the Zapruder film. The "Torbitt" documents show the full extent of the coverup on the JFK Warren Commission, and the works of Fred Newcomb cover the assassination.
"Another troubled young man who was exposed to Christian evangelism but who became active in right-wing Nazi causes was John W. Hinckley, Jr., the Texas-raised son of the wealthy head of Vanderbilt Energy Company, John W. Hinckley, Sr. Eventually, the Hinckleys moved from Dallas, Texas to Evergreen, Colorado. Hinckley, Jr., like Rove, dropped out of college. After a failed attempt at becoming a songwriter in Hollywood, Hinckley returned to Evergreen, where he worked as a busboy in a nightclub. In late 1980, at the same time George H. W. Bush was planning his meeting in Paris with emissaries of the Islamic regime in Iran to convince them to hold on to U.S. embassy hostages taken captive in Tehran in 1979 until after the presidential election --- in order to deny President Carter an "October Surprise" --- Hinckley began stalking Carter. He also stalked presidential candidate Senator Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts. When Nashville Airport baggage metal detectors identified two handguns in Hinckley’s luggage, he was arrested, had his weapons confiscated, fined $62.50, and released. President Carter was making a campaign stop in Nashville the day Hinckley was arrested but the Secret Service decided not to make any more inquiries. Hinckley then purchased two more handguns"
"Hinckley was a member of the National Socialist Party of America, which continued to function after Rockwell’s assassination in Arlington in 1967. According to the San Francisco Chronicle, Hinckley, Jr. had participated in a march honoring Rockwell. "
"Louis Sprosser has written: "George H.W. Bush's daughter had arranged dates for Scott Hinckley with her friends. Scott was John's brother. Hinckley's attorney Mark Lane is linked to three tragedies before they happened: 1). JFK Assassination (Mary Bancroft 1959); 2). Jonestown (Jim Jones lawyer); 3). Larry Flynt Shooting (friend of Flynt's).
Webster Griffin Tarpley wrote in George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, with Anton Chaitkin: that George W. Bush admitted that he may have attended the same parties as John Hinckley. Also that Scott Hinckley had made a dinner engagement with Neil Mallon Bush the day after John shot President Ronald Reagan. Neil Mallon was named after George H.W. Bush's mentor CIA agent Neil Mallon of Dresser Industries and founder of the CIA's Dallas Council on World Affairs. George de Mohrenschildt and Abe Zapruder were members of this organization as were many other key figures to the JFK Assassination."
Both Hinckley's attorney, the son, and Hinckley senior were at the scene of the crime during the assassination in Dallas. What makes the whole Hinckley story interesting, is the Hinckley's were the largest oil partners with the Bush family in Dallas at the time. I also find the fact that Hinckley was stalking both Jimmy Carter and Edward Kennedy to fit in nicely.
The CIA painted Oswald and Hinckley members as easy targets to pin the assassination on, hence why there was more than 6 shots, some not even hitting anybody. The way that it was orchestrated and the early meeting in Dallas, tells me someone wanted the biggest smokescreen ever so the media would be deadset going after the wrong people.
Meanwhile right there on tape, he is shot directly inside his car. Truly disturbing, and then if you think back to what the Elder Bush said in his CIA briefing....You get a sense someone was ordering the Kennedy's to be killed so they weren't a problem for Lyndon Johnson and it would be easiest for them to do it by driving outside of the safety zone and having the inside man kill him. Wow, this is what our country is hiding.
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
said on 7/6/2005 @ 1:16 am PT...
I'm not at all suggesting you ban your disruptive friends. What bothers me is how easily you let them take over. It worries me when we are at a time when we need consolidated strength. We need to be firm and not so easily manipulated. We need to have confidence in the importance of what we want to talk about and refuse to be pushed around.
It's so frustrating to me as a reader, when there are so many interesting topics and intelligent knowledgeable posters, to experience this huge disruption in rhythm and such innocuous content.
I thought maybe you could use this as an exercise in how to stay focused on yourselves and not get bullied, kicked, and shoved. Not let them invariably determine the agenda. Not play their game.
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 7/6/2005 @ 9:42 am PT...
How old was John Hinckley in 1963? He couldn't have been more than a toddler, come to think of it. Wasn't he in his 20s when he shot Reagan?
Is it suggested he was involved in JFK's murder? Or is someone else in his family who is implicated?
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
said on 7/6/2005 @ 11:34 am PT...
2 things come to my mind in response to your frustration regarding the trolls who post here.
1) The Liberal (or truthfully, the non-neoCon/theocratic/corporatist) Voice has been effectively silenced by the corporate media and the bu$h regime as it goes forth across the country holding "free" town meetings from which non-repubs are removed or banned.
We are frustrated because we have been effectively silenced at gatherings with our own relatives and neighbors who are repubs. BECAUSE they have gotten the message that they should not talk their politics with the other side --- from the ministers of WH propaganda. We are able to formulate our thoughts by interacting here with the freeps. I think it is important --- maybe I'm wrong, but it is my opinion.
2) Many more people lurk and read than post and if we do not address the erroneous/freeper posts by refuting their propaganda, then others who read may not understand the posts are WH propaganda.
I do think we need to remain fairly civil in our discourse. Thank goodness for this opportunity for me since I was mad as a hornet after the 2nd stolen election and it took awhile for me to be able to make my responses/attacks on the freeps in a barely civil tone.
I guess I look at it as practice, therapy and education.
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
said on 7/7/2005 @ 7:16 am PT...
Hey y'all - I hate to keep going back to this, but...
Dealing with trolls is THE EASIEST part of posting online. Absolutely.
If you see a name you know is a troll, or if you're reading and you start to realize the person is only trying to stir up trouble - skip that post entirely. JUST DON'T READ IT!!
Do any of us really have the time or energy to waste on these people? There's way too much to do, we should focus our time and energy on getting our country back on track, on getting the information OUT THERE, on uncovering the truth with those who are here to learn and contribute, not distract and divert attention.
True, we can counter the propaganda with information that disputes it - BUT, when we choose to do that instead of ignoring them, we need to focus attention on the ISSUE, not the PERSON. Truth to trolls is like light to cockroaches, it sends them scurrying for cover.
You can't control what people say to you (or in this case, type on a blog) - but you have TOTAL CONTROL of how you react to them.
Think of it as trying to teach a toddler that using bad behavior to get attention will not work. As long as they are not endangering anyone, the best we can do is set a good example, ignore them when they refuse to speak politely, and reward them when they do by allowing them to join in the conversation.
Besides, if Brad deleted messages from trolls, how would we measure how close we are to the truth? Make no mistake, we are a powerful force, and we're scaring the hell out of these people.
They never saw it coming.
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
said on 7/8/2005 @ 4:23 pm PT...
I have been out of town for a couple of weeks and just read all of the above. While I appreciate the angst of those who feel they are being deleted for bashing trolls I also can understand the angst of those among us who merely "read". I rarely speak.....I just read. I am probably one of thousands (this should easily be confirmed based on number of hits to BradBlog.Com) who merely wish to read, learn, absorb, etc. The problem comes when we have a question...we dare not ask it or we will be tagged as "troll" and verbally assaulted. I've read enough on this blog to know about "Jimo" aka "Attny Jim" and he's obviously an antagonist but I must tell you that I've only asked a question or two and I've been attacked. How do you expect Brad to draw the line? I'm no more a "troll" than is the man in the moon but boy, did I catch it by merely asking a simple question! Simply put...who cares? Most of who just follow and read and learn can figure it out. Why do you care about the real trolls? If you ignore them they go away and the rest of us aren't afraid to ask an innocent question! That's my though...
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
said on 7/8/2005 @ 4:25 pm PT...
Ohhh...I hate it when I hit "submit" too soon... last sentence should say..." That's my THOUGHT"
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
said on 7/11/2005 @ 7:31 pm PT...
3 things: 1) please donate to the Bradblog. The "freepers" are where they are because they are willing to financially support media who support them. We must do the same. Bradblog is great. Without this blog most of us would not have known a thing about Clint Curtis, about the Baker/Carter Commission, etc. Please donate whatever you can; 2) Forget about the freeper trolls; getting worked up about the freeper trolls is a waste of time and energy. We have more important things to do. They are not worth the effort; it will not change them. Unless it is a constructive counter argument to their misguided and ill-informed rant, spending time & effort on the FTroll hinders our success. Forget about them; 3) Brad - think about getting womens t-shirts. Something cool. Whether or not one likes Hillary Clinton, the fact is, "Friends of Hillary" has a cool t-shirt; also, I bought a cool shirt at politipunk during the Kerry campaign. You need a hip t-shirt.